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The information about Holly's financial situation in the last six months of his life is incorrect, relies on weak sourcing and is inadequately developed in the article's present form.

1. There is no discussion of New York promoter "Manny Greenfield", if that was in fact his real name, and his role in the freezing of Holly's financial assets. The late Bill Griggs, a significant Holly historian/biographer, explains this issue as follows:

"Let's talk about Buddy's financial condition during the last six months of his life and Manny Greenfield. Manny Greenfield had booked the group on the Dick Clark Show, the English tour, and many other venues. In return, he and Buddy had had a word of mouth agreement that Manny would receive a 5% commission on anything that he booked. These commissions were dutifully paid and I have the receipts and checks as proof. Sometime around July or August of 1958, Manny Greenfield felt he was Buddy's manager and should be receiving a commission on ALL of Buddy's earnings. "Not so," said Buddy. 'Norman Petty is my manager and you are a booker who receives a 5% commission on anything you have booked for us.'

Manny Greenfield then sued Buddy, through Norman. Because Manny lived in New York, and because Buddy lived (at the time) in Texas, and because there was a law that stated [that] if you are suing someone out-of-state about money generated in New York, then you could freeze those payments until the lawsuit was settled. This is exactly what Mr. Greenfield did.

There are stories that Norman Petty said he could make Buddy return [from New York] because he'd hold back his payments [if he didn't]. Norman couldn't have held back those payments because he didn't have those payments in the first place. They were frozen in New York. There is correspondence and other communications between Norman, Buddy, and various attorneys about this. Norman was trying to get those funds unfrozen so he could pay Buddy what was owed him.

Much of what I'm talking about, including the actual text of many of those legal letters, appear in my five-volume booklet set, "Buddy Holly Day-By-Day." I have copies of all of that so [I] can back up all that I had published. I'm not taking sides, only going where the facts lead me. If you were Norman Petty, being unfairly attacked from all sides, would you want to sit and give an interview? I guess not."

2. There is no documented proof, other than Maria's claiming so, that she was pregnant with Holly's child and miscarried after the plane crash. This appears to be one of the many myths contained in the 1978 movie, "The Buddy Holly Story". Details of Holly's meeting her and their relationship in the article rely on quotes from her, without citations from other sources.

3. There is no discussion of Echo McGuire, Holly's girlfriend in high school with whom he had a relationship until 1958. She appears to have been a significant part of his emotional development, based on artifacts at the Buddy Holly museum. More research is needed to determine if some of Holly's December, 1958-January, 1959 "apartment tape" acoustic recordings of "demo" songs like "Learning the Game", and "Crying, Waiting, Hoping" were connected to the end of his relationship with Echo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aglassdarkly (talk • contribs) 03:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

other band members and the funeral

OK, we have "Waylon Jennings was unable to attend due to his commitment to the still-touring Winter Dance Party.". But what about the other members of the band that was playing with Buddy through the Clear Lake concert?

Texas v. Texan

Should the first sentence be Buddy Holly was a Texan and not a Texas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.141.0 (talk) 10:11, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

The UK Tour

There is no mention at all in the entire article about what happened during the UK tour, the towns included, interviews, and concert dates and venues, etc.? Starhistory22 (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2014 (UTC)