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November 9, 2007WikiProject peer reviewReviewed
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Current status: Good article

I removed Melodic Metalcore[edit]

I removed it and added and (early) next to Metalcore because The Poison and Hand of Blood were Metalcore, after that, they are not Metalcore. ]]Melodic Metalcore]] directs to Metalcore anyway. I don't personaally think they are Metalcore but there are sources for that, so I left it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zbag27 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BMFV Indie rock[edit]

I think that article should be added to the indie rock genre. Here are my sources: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/bullet-for-my-valentine-p735993 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GlamMetalANIKILATOR (talk • contribs) 23:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i really hope you are trolling 69.233.1.132 (talk) 08:18, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable source?[edit]

The 50th source, which redirects here likens thrash metal to metalcore, screamo(which they incorrectly referred to as screamcore), and speedcore which wikipedia has clear distinctions between, since they each have their own pages separate from thrash metal. This shows that apparently, this reviewer doesn't understand exactly what they're talking about, which makes that an unreliable source. If we were to take this source out, the band being named a thrash band would have one source left, which is actually just repeating a 2006 Guitar World Magazine article. I feel as this shouldn't be credible enough to be listed in with their other genres. If we could find some other RELIABLE sources that state that they are thrash metal, it should stay. Sadly, I cannot find any other sources that state they are thrash metal. Just my 2 cents. --63.163.39.152 (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I flat-out laughed with the "screamo" term used on that review. Even Allmusic sometimes refers to metalcore bands as writing "metalcore/screamo" which I couldn't help but cracking-up at either. They're just a bunch of middle-aged men that have no idea what they're even talking about. Screamo is a veerrrryyyyy soft music genre; take Coldplay, add ocasional screams and maybe a chugging riffs here or there, and that's what screamo necessarily is. The word "screamo" has been lost within all use of the English language, it shouldn't even considered a genre anymore due to its constant incorrect usage from extremely naîeve scene kids and Aerosmith dads. So yeah, I wouldn't say that is a reliable source, but just someone that can't help but try to act like he knows what he's talking about. The thrash metal genre stays anyway due to its general statements among how Bullet features today's agressive metal style (metalcore) combined with thrash. • GunMetal Angel 20:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First Sentence[edit]

I know this isn't worth an entire section (Don't say "BE BOLD", I can't), but the first sentence makes me cringe when I read it. The band is singular, unless there are multiple(?) of this band floating around. I can't change it (not registering for this because I don't care about this band, and I'm only here because I saw a vandalized version of the article on another website), but if somebody with an actual account could change that "are a" to "is a", I'd be happy. 97.90.66.2 (talk) 10:11, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, BFMV did not form in 1998. Jeff Killed John did. The band split up. Then Matt, "Moose" and "Padge" reformed with a "Jay" to make Bullet For My Valentine. The band didn't change it's name. It ended. Skakdi (Talk) 10:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Have you got any decent sources covering the early part of the bands existence? What you say sounds quite reasonable but I recall reading several articles discussing the band's name that refer to it as a name change rather than a reformation. It sounds like it could be treated as either. ~ mazca talk 10:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's in an interview they did with BLUNT. I agree with you, but still stand by th fact that Jeff Kileld John is not Bullet For My Valentine. Skakdi (Talk) 08:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The change from "Bullet for My Valentine are a band..." to "Bullet for my Valentine is a band..." isn't going to happen - treating bands as plural entities is standard usage in British English (see Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, etc for other British bands with the same introductory sentence) - as BFMV is a British band, we use the appropriate variety of English. As someone from the UK I actually find the introductory sentence on a lot of American bands to be just as jarring - but when you think about it grammatically, both options make sense (a band can correctly be thought of as either as a single entity or as the multiple people who make it up). ~ mazca talk 10:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request[edit]

{{Edit semi-protected}} At the end of the "Fever" section, it states that "the support acts are yet to be announced," however they have been announced as Atreyu (band) and Bring Me The Horizon (source: http://www.livenation.co.uk)

Please change "the support acts are yet to be announced." to "the support acts have been announced as Atreyu (band) and Bring Me The Horizon."

(P.S: First edit. I done good? ;)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azruhda (talk • contribs)

Done, kind of, by User:Gunmetal Angel. -Atmoz (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the paragraph completely, because not only is it unsourced, but it's also more of what can be considered news. Non-encyclopedic additions should be avoided. - GunMetal Angel 18:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thrash metal?[edit]

Why is "thrash metal" mentioned under "genres"? I'm a fan of thrash metal and I don't think that the music of the band has anything to do with thrash metal.--92.78.184.147 (talk) 13:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Its mentioned because it is sourced, all be it be less orthadox sources than whats mostly used on wikipedia... I tend to agree with you, and bar thrash-like passages in about 2 or 3 songs (which is common in metalcore) I have no idea how they can be considered thrash metal... Dims25 (talk) 08:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you kidding me? You could listen to ANY song by Bullet and it sounds like thrash. BFMV are the exact same thing as Trivium. • GunMetal Angel 09:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Except trivium are (for the most part) faster and heavier, sing about broader lyrical concepts (murder, mythology, social comentary) rather than simply inwardly focused theames (revenged, lost love), heafe uses hetfield-like grunts and growled vocals along with the singing and screaming, unlike tuck... listen to thrash bands like old metallica and testament, trivium can be put with these bands without sounding to out of place... It's a bit for a streach to say that of Bullet... especially The Poison which I see has had Thrash metal added to it Dims25 (talk) 12:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple reliable sources, referenced in the article, consider them thrash metal. Hence, it is included as one of the genres. We have this difficulty on a lot of rock bands' articles - because almost any band that releases a few albums will noticeably evolve their style over time. Everyone's precise definitions over where "metalcore" ends and where "thrash metal" begins are different, but it's clear that the sources upon which we build an encyclopedia consider that Bullet for My Valentine do involve both. ~ mazca talk 13:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However I see that both sources listed for Thrash metal are reviewing Scream Aim Fire , Are their any sources that call The Poison and Fever thrash metal? And If not, does one out of Three albums (four including the EP) enough to warrent their classification as Thrash metal in the infobox on the bands main page? Dims25 (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are many songs off of The Poison that were labeled heavily thrash. BFMV can easily be grouped with the likes of Trivium or even Anthrax, both Trivium and BFMV sound nearly exactly the same at most times. In my personal opinion, though Trivium is an overrated, pussy version of As I Lay Dying wherein the frontman can't go through a live show without using the word "fuck" five times in each sentence. • GunMetal Angel 01:08, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They can be put with trivium because early trivium has alot of metalcore in it, they cant be put with pure thrash which trivium can due to the extent to which they include thrash in their sound, especially their last two albums and their demo... Bullet has thrash influence because thats what metalcore is, thrash and melodeath influnced riffs mixed with hardcore style screams, breakdowns and post-hardcore style clean vocals and lyrical theames....And yeah, discount every difference I just pointed out and they sound the same, heafe even sings in high voice now i hear... a comparison between trivium and as i lay dying? to me if either of the two is overrated its aild, they write the same song slightly differently over and over... I also believe I've heard heafe say sentences without the word 'fuck' many, many times...I'm not even going to discuss the comparison between Bullet and Anthrax, because there is none, And, back on track, if the poison is labelled thrash album then show me a source as to where it is and I'll believe you... Dims25 (talk) 06:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I also noticed that there are yet to be any sources provided on The Poison, Fever and the Hand of Blood ep being thrash metal (I also notice someone has removed it from these pages), which makes only one album (Scream Aim Fire) sourced for it, so should it be in the infobox on the main page considering its one album out of three (or four)? Dims25 (talk) 07:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To the person who had the brilliant idea to call Bullet for My Valentine Thrash Metal : That is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard!!Just because they borrow influences from Metallica doesn't mean they fall within the same genre.I suggest you review this article. --MightySaiyan (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To MightySaiyan, I think that you are one of the most insanely idiotic people I've ever seen. Cristian bulletformyvalentine (talk) 07:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Except you fanboys fail to defend your band.How typical.--MightySaiyan (talk) 23:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No comment.


Hold up! This issue appears to have been resolved many months ago? Also, this is not a forum and shouldn't have point of views either. If something is broadly cited, then it has a place on wikipedia. Mrlittleirish 14:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They sound more like Thrash than most Metalcore bands. They best way to describe them is Melodic Metalcore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.3.236 (talk) 19:00, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Link to band members[edit]

Why isn't there a link to the bands members wikipedia page. They do have one, so why not link it?Beaverbillins (talk) 13:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They all got deleted Sensesfail123 (talk) 20:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

simple edit request[edit]

under musical style & influences section, can you please add the band 'guns n roses'. If you read about guns n' roses, bullet for my valentine are also mentioned as being influenced by. the source is also available in the guns n' roses page. thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.182.93 (talk) 11:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Information mistake[edit]

"The band describe their two albums, The Poison and Fever, as having a "super dark" tone,"

In the portion above the quotation refers to the bands first two albums as The Poison and Fever. This should read "The Poison and Scream Aim Fire" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.50.53 (talk) 05:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

False. This article http://www.bulletformyvalentine.com/us/biography states how the band wanted Fever to have a "super dark" tone like their debut, The Poison. The information here is then correct, assuming the source is accurate. Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 13:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeff Killed John[edit]

Because of their earlier side of the band could it be possible to list nu metal on their genre as a early material? An example is this song -- 138.130.142.132 (talk) 23:04, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 1 May 2012[edit]

matt tucks 'METAL AS FUCK' side project is called axewound

2.29.100.199 (talk) 00:13, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

news on the fourth album[edit]

via twitter account it was confirm on 8/06/12 that the fourth album was completed and finish https://twitter.com/bfmvofficial — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.222.133 (talk) 04:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Album to be released on 11th February 2013, and 4 UK tour dates anounced with Halestorm as support. Citation available at http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/20127897

Done - Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 13:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hard Rock genre and promo CDs[edit]

I was wondering if you'd consider Bullet's musical style to be part of the 'Hard Rock' genre too, as frontman Matt Tuck stated that Bullet's style was Hard Rock with metal elements. Also, I've found out about a promo CD titled 'Rule Britannia'. Can somebody confirm this to be true or fake? SamThe90sKid (talk) 19:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 19 January 2013[edit]

Please change the release date for Bullet For My Valentine's new album "Temper Temper" from 11 February 2013 to 12 February 2013 because the release date has been advertised as such on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/temper-temper-deluxe-version/id591241153?ign-mpt=uo%3D4) Poolque (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: iTunes is not a reliable source. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2014[edit]

I'd like to edit the page because the genre section says they just play Heavy metal & Metalcore, even though they also play Thrash metal. Songs like Scream Aim Fire, Waking the Demon, Raising Hell, etc. are Thrash metal songs, so saying that they just play Heavy metal & Metalcore is incorrect. Also, some of the genres of the singles are incorrect, & I'd like to edit them too. Ravenkills97 (talk) 19:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Genres are a huge problem, because fans can never agree - it was probably other BFMV fans who wrote what is there now. Wikipedia requires reliable sources to back up changes. If you can cite a reliable source (not a blog, or any other user contributed site) that supports your request, please repost, giving the URL of that site. - Arjayay (talk) 20:30, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2014[edit]

Hallo, i want to add new becoming album of bfmv raising hell Gibsonas45 (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Note that "Raising Hell" is already mentioned in the "fifth studio album" section of this article. If you wish to create a new article, head over to WP:AFC. Mz7 (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What about thrash metal?[edit]

Hello? Significant influence on their first two albums? This is notable enough for putting it in the band's infobox. Matt even says they had that influence. It should be listed. If you want a source, I'll find one. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 16:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jason "jay" James not a member of the band anymore[edit]

They just posted on their facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/BulletForMyValentine/posts/10153058417730505) that jay james isnt a member of the band anymore, so the page should be updated Ithanis (talk) 11:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Let's wait until there is a third party source (ie Blabbermouth) that confirms it. Karst (talk) 11:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Establishing rationale for source used on thrash metal in infobox.[edit]

This source suggests their next studio album will be thrash. If that is so, that would mean they have two albums classified as thrash (the other being Scream Aim Fire). Two albums seems to put plenty of evidence into play that suggests they are thrash metal.

I posted here just in case it looked a little sketchy to anyone. DannyMusicEditor (talk) signed at 21:14, originally posted 19:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New bassist[edit]

Matt Tuck announced the new bassist of the band in the interview today on Radio One's Rock Show, Jamie something, I didn't catch all of what he was saying, but would you feel it's time to add him to the group page or wait until later?

Sata1991 (talk) 20:36, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2015[edit]

Add to "Venom (2014—present)" section

VENOM was confirmed for release on 14 August 2015, on 18 May 2015, the same day an expansive UK was announced. It was also revealed that Bullet For My Valentine will also headline London's Camden Rocks festival which takes place on 30 May 2015.[1]. Neverenoughnotes (talk) 19:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Bullet For My Valentine new album and UK tour". Never Enough Notes. No. Never Enough Notes. Never Enough Notes. Retrieved 18 May 2015.
Done -- Orduin Discuss 20:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Add Glamour of the kill and Rise to remain to associated acts maybe? They had their 2 guitarists supporting them back in 2013

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2016[edit]

Please update the record label listings because there is a new confirmed source that the band has inked a new deal with this record label, in this case, Spinefarm Records. This is the original source from the label's official website: http://www.spinefarmrecords.com/usa/news/2016/04/01/bullet-for-my-valentine-sign-worldwide-deal-with-search-and-destroy-spinefarm-records-umg/ 162.207.94.129 (talk) 10:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Terra ❤ 03:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gravity[edit]

Matt Tuck did an interview with Daniel Carter on Rock Radio, April 1st, 2018. Tuck said the new album is called Gravity and will be released June 29th, 2018. The first single from the album is called "Over It". — Preceding unsigned comment added by GusTheAnt (talk • contribs) 18:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Added information on "Piece of me" which become available to stream on the 26th of April.[edit]

"On the April 26 2018 the band released their second song from Gravity titled "Piece of me". The track was available to stream on the bands official VEVO channel. AidenVCH (talk) 08:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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You are welcome to reactivate your request and, beneath all of the text I have added, supply the necessary information. LifeofTau 09:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Upcoming Album[edit]

In an interview with MetalshopTV Tuck revealed that the band has started working on the next album. According to Tuck the album is going to be "A dirty love child of Venom and Gravity". The band plans to take the best of Venom and Gravity albums and smash them together. "We've already got eight new tracks," Tuck told Rock Sound, adding, "All indicators are pointing towards ferocious heaviness." The singer stated that after having done Gravity, it opened the door for them to go whatever direction they wanted with their next offering. "All signs are currently pointing towards a far more aggressive, gnarly, riff-based record," he concluded. when asked about a timeline for the next release, the vocalist stated, "We’ve just been having a chat in the dressing room now with a few people, and we’re probably going to aim for a '21 release. We want to take our time on this, and we want to work with people that we really wanna work with, and we may have to wait depending on their schedules. But we think '21 is a safe bet, to give us the time to do what we want, how we want to do it and not be rushed or forced into anything." In another interview over a video call Matt Revealed that this record is going to bet their "Heaviest album yet" and said that it would have 60 Percent Screams and 40 Percent Clean vocals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.129.181.118 (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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