Talk:CBC Music

Name change?

I think we should keep an eye on this to be sure. It is the first time that I've seen them use the number in Radio 2, but there are places on the CBC web site that still use Radio Two. Whether the two forms will co-exist or whether this is just a transition period remains to be seen, I think. In either case, I think it's worthy of note; we just want to make sure we note the right thing. - Cafemusique 00:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I took out the word "minimal" before the words vocal, backlash because I wouldn't call more than 10,000 members of the protest facebook site to be "minimal" not to mention the fact that CBC Executives are now running full page $30,000 ads in newspapers to counteract the backlash. It sounds like it is a CBC employee who inserted the word "minimal". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.184.185 (talk) 04:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

When I delete the word "minimal" someone else keeps putting it back in. Are the powers that be afraid that the protests are anything but minimal? The issue has made the New York Times and the front page of the Vancouver Sun. There were two editorials for and against in the Globe and Mail? Why do you keep insisting the protests are minimal? What are the reasons for that reference?

I would note that Wikipedia is not the place to get into arguments about the size of a backlash and/or whether or not it's justified. The issue of the current format change has been giving rise to a lot of inappropriate editorializing that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, and I'd advise everyone involved to remember Wikipedia's core policies of verifiability, reliable sources and neutral point-of-view. Bearcat (talk) 05:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly why Wikipedia shouldn't be describing the size of the backlash as minimal when it there is no source to verify the size. 10,000+++ signatures may or may not be large but it isn't minimal. That's why the word minimum should stay out as it clearly is an opinion. The word "minimal" does not represent a "neutral" point of view but probably the wishes of CBC management. Regardless, it is completely unsupportable.

I would like to indicate to anyone who is considering editing this article that these policies are more honoured in the breach than the observance; so go ahead and edit. (There's extensive discussion on the policies and their efficacy or lack of it, rather, for those interested.) Very little of wiki is verifiable these days.

Correct information deleted

(207.164.187.115 (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)) Oct 19th 2009 I recently corrected the schedule while keeping the old out of date schedule above my new entry. I admit i didn't use fancy font and colours, but someone deleted it all and replaced it with fancy font and colours but with a lot of incorrect information again ! Today, I once again corrected times and hosts on the schedule here . If someone is gonna change it again, at least listen to the Radio or go to the website and put the correct information. NOTE: There is NO host of Nightstream. Stop putting a name!!!! There has not been a host for months and months! I listen to it every night. I KNOW ! I am mentioning this, because in a few weeks (November 8th 2009), the Radio 2 schedule changes again and this will need to be corrected again. The "Strombo Show" will be on Sunday evenings from 8pm to Midnight. Hosted by George Stroumboulopoulos If you do not know the schedule - do not edit it on this site !!!!!!!!!!!!!! (207.164.187.115 (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)) Gabriel

Would you calm the hell down? Nobody's intentionally putting false information into the article; the schedule just didn't get properly updated in September. Bearcat (talk) 22:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I know you are a big-wig around here bearcat, but is this the right way to welcome wanabe wikipedians into the family? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

All I did was ask somebody who had actually and unironically typed a string of 14 exclamation points at the end of their comment to calm down. And kindly note that the discussion took place over a year ago — does it really seem worth the effort to you to comment on it now? Bearcat (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Why so much less popular than BBC?

Just wondering why the equivalent article for BBC attracts almost 10 times more views than this one:

BBC_Radio_2 has been viewed 134,999 times in 2010. http://stats.grok.se/en/2010/BBC_Radio_2

CBC_Radio_2 has been viewed 17,780 times in 2010. http://stats.grok.se/en/2010/CBC_Radio_2

Just curious and would appreciate anyone's speculation. Ottawahitech (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, Beeb2 is the single most-listened-to station in the entire United Kingdom, and as such it has cultural influence well into Europe as well. Whereas CBC2 can't claim the same kind of status and cachet in Canada; the dominant commercial stations in the biggest cities probably get larger audiences in their home markets alone than CBC2 gets nationwide. Which isn't a criticism of the CBC — Beeb2 actually plays a relatively conventional, mainstream adult contemporary format that's closer much of the time to CHUM-FM than it is to CBC2 (I just looked at their website a few minutes ago and their top music feature at the moment is Taylor Swift). But even the "popified" version of CBC2 is still doing a predominantly non-mainstream specialist format that more closely resembles NPR Music — that format suits me just fine most of the time (well, Strombo/Terfry, anyway), but my taste in music ain't exactly the most commercially popular stuff that mainstream radio audiences are usually looking for. So Beeb2 is probably the single most influential radio service in all of Europe, while CBC2 isn't even the most influential radio service in Canada, let alone internationally. Bearcat (talk) 21:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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Still called CBC2

Maybe they have not informed the on-air personalities, but they're still calling it CBC2 as of February 25, 2018. When is the change in name to take effect? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:37, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Whenever I've listened to R2 since the changeover was announced, I've always heard the announcers saying CBC Music (although some of the station ID breaks were still saying Radio 2 sometimes), so perhaps you just heard a host slipping into an old habit. DJs are just talking, not reading from a prewritten script, so sometimes they might slip and refer to it by the old name that they're used to saying instead of the new one that they're actually supposed to be saying now — I can personally attest, for example, that one time a few years when I was home visiting my parents for Christmas, I heard a DJ on one of the local radio stations accidentally ID the station by a call sign it hadn't used in about 15 years. Or, alternatively, they might be just trying to ease the listeners into the change by still saying R2 sometimes for a softer transition — or, too, also keep in mind that depending on what show you're listening to, the DJ might not actually be in the studio live, but could have prerecorded their DJ chatter weeks ago before the change was actually announced, which is especially likely given that "as of February 25" means you were observing Sunday programming. (Most Sunday programming, even Strombo, is prerecorded rather than live.)
But it's clear even from R2/CBC Music's own website (and from my own experience of listening to it) that it wasn't just an advance announcement of something that was going to happen at an unspecified future date, but a change that was already at least in progress as of the date of the announcement post. Bearcat (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Not unlikely, but it was the countdown, so that may have been recorded earlier in the week. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:35, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

No schedules

WP:NOTRADIOGUIDE states that, "an article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules" yet after I pointed that out, the schedule was restored. Several are redlinks, so I think the solution is simply to list notable programs in a "current" and "former" sub-section. No need to list times. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not wedded to the idea that the content has to be formatted as a schedule — but what I am wedded to is that the programs and their hosts have to be named in this article somehow. It makes absolutely no sense for this article to list past programs and their hosts from 20 and 30 and 50 years ago, while somehow not mentioning the likes of Strombo or Saroja Coelho or Rich Terfry or Odario Williams or Julie Nesrallah at all. So if you want to reformat it as a list or rewrite it as descriptive prose, then by all means go right ahead — but it's not appropriate to simply remove the section entirely while making no effort to ensure that the relevant information is added in another way.

But also, just to be clear, when it comes to broadcast schedules, neither NOTTVGUIDE nor NOTRADIOGUIDE have ever been interpreted as banning all mention of programming whatsoever. For instance, the TV version has never been interpreted as banning things like 2019–20 Canadian network television schedule, which address the core prime time programming schedules of entire national networks, and the radio version has never been understood to ban things like the existing schedule section in CBC Radio One (which neither you nor the person who originally tried to remove the schedule here have actually taken issue with.) Individual radio and television stations are certainly not supposed to contain comprehensive schedule information — television stations don't need lists of every individual syndicated program they carry outside of their network affiliations, individual radio stations don't need lists of every non-notable DJ who hosts a daypart, and on and so forth. But neither the TV nor radio rules have ever been interpreted to forbid Wikipedia from including some information about the standard programming schedule of an entire national network — in that instance, the rules only preclude updating it weekly for temporary programming changes and specials (e.g. not altering the base schedule here to replace the entire 7-8 p.m. block with Q just because that's what the network is doing right now due to the coronapocalypse, or temporarily replacing Rich Terfry with J.J. Laborde and Daniel Greaves just because they each filled in for a week recently), and have never banned us from including any information at all about the network's standard programming lineup.

So, again: if you want to reformat the information in a different way, so that it's not presented as a schedule but the programs and hosts are still mentioned and linked somehow, then there'd be no issue at all. But just removing the section entirely, so that Strombo and Saroja and Odario and Buck and Vinyl Tap are completely unmentioned and unlinked in the article at all, no. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that would work. Speaking of which, I need to get there. I will revisit this later in the day unless you get to it first. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)