Talk:CU convoys

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Use of the term British Isles[edit]

This article uses the term British Isles (e.g. "measure to maintain petroleum fuel reserves on the British Isles for continued strategic bombing of Europe") which as well as being controversial (see British Isles naming dispute) is in this case inaccurate as this would imply the Ireland a neutral country was involved in the war. Can I suggest that you change the references to the United Kingdom which would be a more accurate term. Bjmullan (talk) 19:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For those unfamiliar with this issue there is no so-called British Isles naming dispute. It does not exist in the real world and the Wikipedia article is a sham; it should be deleted, being just a collection of references to odd, opinionated, commentators who dislike the term. The user suggesting an alternative has a history of anti-British editing and his current assault on British Isles is just the latest twist in a long-running campaign to remove the term from Wikipedia. LemonMonday Talk 19:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For those unfamiliar with this SPA may I suggest you have a look at his block log. LemonMonday has a long history of labelling his own British Isles POV with other editors. His latest attack on me has included a uncontested ANI report. Bjmullan (talk) 20:33, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have substituted the term United Kingdom for British Isles where the context implied participation in axis-allied hostilities; but have retained the former term for the archipelago, since German submarine attacks on merchant shipping caused cargoes bound for Ireland to seek the protection of allied convoys during the later war years.Thewellman (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Thewellman. Bjmullan (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thewellman your comments about Irish ships getting protections from the Allied convoys was something I never considered or thought about so I decided to do a bit of research about what Ireland called "The Emergency" and what Irish mariners called "The Long Watch". Not sure if you are interested but here is the link to two WP article which gives more background; Irish Mercantile Marine during World War II and Irish maritime events during World War II. What is clear from the articles is that by early 1942 Ireland has ceased using Allied convoys for protection. As the CU convoys were the fast convoys introduced in 1943 I think any reference to the British Isles in this article could be considered misleading. Bjmullan (talk) 21:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for bringing these articles to my attention. Their reference citations are particularly impressive. My previous statement about cargoes bound for Ireland may have been ambiguous; but, as these articles point out, it should not be interpreted as cargoes of Irish ships. I believe these articles indicate, despite reluctance of Irish ships to join allied convoys, Ireland remained dependent upon allied shipping for petroleum imports such as those carried by the CU convoys. I remain open to reliable references stating otherwise, but I am inclined to retain the terminology of my existing references until new references come to light.Thewellman (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]