Talk:Cadillac Runabout and Tonneau

Ford model A[edit]

A see also link was inserted near the foot of the article to a Ford of the same year. Why? Eddaido (talk) 00:30, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido: The two cars are visibly identical, hence the link. This is understandable, given that Henry Ford helped form the Henry Ford Company, which eventually became Cadillac in late 1902, and also helped form the Ford Motor Company less than a year later. Putting the link in the article wasn't some random, arbitrary addition, if that's what you're wondering. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 04:15, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jackdude101: I'm not disputing the facts of the matter. If you feel it is an important bit of knowledge (I don't disagree) then please make a little paragraph within the article which covers the matter and make sure it has an appropriate citation. If you want —give me the citation and I'll write the paragraph. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido: This article talks about the comparison above and has a visual side-by-side comparison: Casey, Forest (September 25, 2014). "Vault Stories: Model A Vs. Model A". Medium. Archived from the original on December 5, 2014. Retrieved August 27, 2017. The format for this reference is the same format I used for the references in a couple of unrelated articles that I brought to featured status over the past few months. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 04:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1903 Rambler
1903 Flint
1903 US Long Distance?? Type 7
1903 Oldsmobile
1903 Columbia Electric
1904 Stanley Steamer

Yes, the business that became Cadillac was started by Henry Ford and backers but Ford fell out with his backers and left. The engine was a Henry Leland design and, says just one published in print source that I can find, its chassis was "Ford-derived". Back to your "side-by-side comparison" is Vault Stories a reliable source? Why do I see in the photos of the two cars presented by Vault plenty of differences in appearance? I think at this stage these little runabout cars did tend to look alike and have a fairly standardised layout. Can you find anything that matches Vault's Stories but reproduced from a book or a recognised authoritative publication. Congratulations on getting articles to featured status. I am sincerely impressed. Can you find support for the theory of Vault Stories? I recognise the chassis was similar if not identical but where did Ford get his engine? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 10:22, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido: That article is published by Medium, an online publication. Per its page here: [1], there is clear evidence of editorial oversight. That is the key ingredient that reviewers look for when reviewing articles nominated for featured status, so this source would survive a hypothetical review of the Cadillac Runabout and Tonneau article. If it's good enough for a featured article, it's good enough for this article. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 11:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jackdude101: Please note my courtesy. They are not identical except to a casual uneducated (uneducated about old cars) glance. The author of the cited site is wrong simply because "it's apparent to anyone with a pair of working eyes that the Ford Model As made by Cadillac and Ford" are not the same ("identical") even if they may, to a very casual glance, "look the same". Absolutely no-one else makes the comment "Leland’s engine bolted directly into Ford’s Model A body" or suggests it other than the one comment I quoted above that the Cadillac runabout used a "Ford-derived" chassis. If it were true then the topic would be covered by the multitude of published info about these cars. Are there any Ford articles that comment? What is the point in persisting with this line of thinking? I've tried very hard to show it is mistaken. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 12:34, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]