Talk:Cadillac Sixty Special

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Needed Revisions[edit]

There needs to be ONE Article covering 60 Special, Fleetwood 60 Special, Fleetwood Brougham, Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham, and Fleetwood. All of these names refer to the SAME model over time (with the partial exception of the FWD abominations of 1985-1992-93).

Since THIS article is the most lengthy, it SHOULD become the basis for a combined article covering all the Fleetwood and 60 Special (non-Eldorado) models from the 1030s thru the lat RWD Fleetwood of 1996. I recommend the article be re-named:

"Cadillac Fleetwood, 60 Special, & Fleetwood Brougham"

And Yes there Was a "Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham", made from 1971-76 but this is essentially the merging of the slow-selling Fleetwood 60 Special and the much more popular Fleetwood Brougham of 1965-70. We don't need to clutter the article name up that much. The 1985-92 FWDs can be included. The aftermarket "Fleetwood Limited" does NOT need to be included because it is a DeVille that has been lengthened after production.

Cadillacmike (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody has to take care of Cadillac. I rewrote the 60 Special entry and named the generations with care.

Sadowski (talk) 00:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The entire Fleetwood set of articles is completely disjointed. The naming isn't even correct. The Fleetwood name ALWAYS came BEFORE the series number. It was always Fleetwood Series 60 Special not the other way around, and the same goes for the Brougham options, e.g. Fleetwood Brougham, or Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham. There was also only one model line from the late 50s up to 1985 when the front wheel drive split off of the C body came. From 1985-1992 there were both FWD and RWD "Fleetwood" models. Confusing to say the least. but later unified as RWD for the last four years (1993-96)as Fleetwood with an optional Brougham package.

Someone with catalogs and/or Cadillac model reference material needs to sort through these disjointed articles and bring them together under a SINGLE article that should be named "Cadillac Fleetwood, 60 special, and Brougham", because these all refer to the SAME car model at different points in time and sometimes were used together (and for a short period, 1971-76, all three names were used for the one model in the lineup. I have brochures from 1964-2013 to verify this and have the material from 1958-63 showing the model naming of the various cars.

Instead of citing books written many of which contain errors, how about reading the original Cadillac service sales and marketing documents. If you do you will notice that the Fleetwood series goes back to at least 1964 when it was superimposed on the existing ElDorado and 60 Special models. Sometime later (in the 1970s Eldorado was separated from the Fleetwood series thus going back to the 4 door sedan only.

The breakdown in Series and model names by year range:

The 1930s (or 40s) thru mid-late 50s there was one model, the "60 Special". During parts of this time it had a separate longer wheelbase and at other times the same wheelbase as DeVilles & series 62.

From about 1957 or so thru 1965: "Fleetwood 60 Special", thru 1964 same WB as DeVilles, in 1965 separate longer WB, also a Brougham "Option Package" was offered in 1965, but it was NOT a separate model (there was only one sales code of "M").

1966-1970: Fleetwood 60 Special OR Fleetwood Brougham (sales code M or P)

1971-76: Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham. This was the only time that all three "names" (Fleetwood, 60 Special, and Brougham) were all used together).

1977-1984: Fleetwood Brougham

1985-1992 Split between FWD 60 Special and RWD Fleetwood Brougham and/or Brougham. This was the ONLY time that the model name "Brougham" was used Without Fleetwood being in front of it.

1993-96: RWD Fleetwood with "Brougham" option package, but not a separate model. I believe there was one final year, 1993, for the front wheel drive "60 Special" model, but it didn't have Fleetwood in front of it. I don't have the catalogs in front of me but I have them (ALL of them).

And lastly, Fleetwood WAS a coachbuilder for Cadillac, but was acquired and became a division of GM before WW2. The Fleetwood body plant made all Fleetwood bodies up to and including 1970. I had a 1970 Fleetwood Brougham and its body plate and door sills had "Body by Fleetwood" on them. Fleetwood also made the all leather interiors of DeVilles and ElDorados in the 1960s. My 1968 DeVille Convertible is one of them.

Cadillacmike (talk) 13:45, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Although it was listed before, I reinstated the availability of leather seating for the 1974 Fleetwood Talisman. Leather seating was definitely available for the Talisman option package, but for only the 1974 model year.MJEH (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]