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Caledonian Railways Logo[edit]

I don't know just how easy it would be to get a picture of the Caledonian Railways Logo, but it surely deserves some mention that it is surprising that they got away with using the Royal Arms of Scotland as their insignia. The Lord Lyons office is usually pretty strict about such things. Douglasnicol 21:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

well there is a copyright question, but all the five Scottish railway co. logos appear on the Science Museum's The Pre-grouping Railways, Part three. ISBN 0-11-290432-7. Which is Crown Copyright. Pyrotec 22:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well there is that, but I also mean that I don't know how the Caley got away with using the insignia in the first place. :) Douglasnicol 13:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I should have said on the front cover. One author I read this month, mentioned brazenly expropriating the Royal Arms; I believe it was Heap and van Riemsdijk (above), but if so I can't find it. Next week, I'll try and find it. The Caledonian Railway was a well disguised English company, not Scottish although it behaved like it was, (well the majority of the shareholders and the controlling Board were). I'm not sure if that is how they got away with it.Pyrotec 17:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone get a better image than the present one, which is a bit scrunched and seems to partly show some other image below it?

Because of this interest I am starting a separate paragraph about the coat of arms [it's not really a "logo"] and I would like to put a quality image into that section. Afterbrunel (talk) 13:19, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The "some other image below it" is an upward curve in the bottom edge of the black-and-white lining around the driving wheel splasher of no. 123, see this pic. It is a coat of arms, but despite the scroll across the bottom reading "Caledonian Railway Company", it is primarily the coat of arms of the King of Scotland. Judging by

Sir Thomas Innes of Learney (1971) [1934]. "Chapter XVI. The Royal Arms and National Flag". Scots Heraldry: A Practical Handbook on the Historical Principles and Modern Application of the Art and Science (2nd ed.). Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Co. p. 216. ISBN 0-8063-0478-2. LCCN 74152173.

the Caledonian may have been committing a crime in using it, that of Usurpation of the Scottish Royal Arms, which was still a capital crime at the time that book was written. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:26, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Main Line and Route Maps[edit]

I strated to create a route map for the main line, however it does not appear that it will work for the main line in its entirety. I have created a new page at Caledonian Railway Main Line which ultimately will replace the Main Line section in this article. You will see that the route map for the Carstairs to Greenhill Junction section (being made contiguous by include the relevant portions of the Garnkirk and Glasgow Railway and the Wishaw and Coltness Railway. This is most defintely work in progress as the route templates for the Carstairs to Edinburgh; and the Carstairs to Carlisle route maps still require to be constructed. I welcome help with this activity. --Stewart 23:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glasgow area route indicators[edit]

I don't know if there is an article for this, but trains in the Glasgow area had the route shown by means of a two-arm "semaphore" carried on a spare lamp iron on the loco front. I've got at least two lists:

Walford, John (2003). Taylor, R.K. (ed.). Volume Two: The 4-6-0 and 2-6-0 Classes. A Detailed History of British Railways Standard Steam Locomotives. Peterborough: RCTS. pp. 277–8. ISBN 0 901115 93 2.
Nock, O.S. (1964) [1963]. The Caledonian Railway (2nd ed.). Shepperton: Ian Allan. pp. 184–185.

--Redrose64 (talk) 14:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image of Blackford Station[edit]

According to the photogaphers description the photo was taken at Blackford on the Caledonian line. Blackford Hill was on the North British according to Butt Who is right? Chevin (talk) 06:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blackford and Blackford Hill were not just on different lines, they were many miles apart. Of note is that Blackford Hill was on the Edinburgh Suburban and Southside Junction Railway, so you would expect a substantial amount of housing close to the station; but the photo in question shows very little. Also note that the surrounding countryside seems fairly flat, whereas the photo of Blackford Hill station there is a definite slope on at least one side of the line. The other clue is that in the photo in question the line is dead straight, but the line through Blackford Hill was rather sinuous. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cupar Accident[edit]

"On 23 October 1899, an express passenger train was in collision with a cattle train at Cupar, Forfarshire. One person was killed" something seems to be wrong here as a) Cupar is in Fife b) the Caldeonian did not operate trains through Cupar. Mix-up with Coupar Angus in Perthshire which was a Caledonian Station? Dunarc (talk) 14:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find it in vol. 4 at all; in vol. 2 it's not on p. 9 but p. 16, which shows Coupar Angus, so fixed. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Masonic Lodge[edit]

There is a Masonic Lodge which was founded to cater for employees of The Caledonian Railway, while it was still under construction: the Lodge was constituted to be a "travelling Lodge",i.e., to open meetings at any convenient place along the railway line. It was established in 1849 (No.354 on the Roll of the Grand Lodge of Scotland), and an extract from its Charter runs: "The Lodge shall be composed entirely of Brethren connected with or in the employment of the Caledonian Railway Co. at the date of initiation, passing, raising or affiliation." The Lodge is still in existence, and still keeps the regulation, unique in Masonic history, of admitting as members only men who were employed on the railways at the time of their initiation. http://www.s552960452.websitehome.co.uk/history.htm

Is this sufficiently noteworthy to merit addition to the main article?Nuttyskin (talk) 12:32, 18 February 2018 (UTC) Nuttyskin (talk) 12:32, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]