Talk:Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra

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Full name[edit]

The article name should be changed from Cape Philharmonic Orchestra to Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra, per current primary references e.g. July 2015 newsletter, Annual Report, its pledge form, although there are a some uses of "Cape Philharmonic Orchestra" in the wild. Dl2000 (talk) 23:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 July 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Cape Philharmonic Orchestra → Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra – Should move to the orchestra's full name per its reliable primary documents (see article talk), unless there is some outstanding naming issue. It seems to be uncontroversial, but admin assistance will be needed due to earlier redirects. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC) Dl2000 (talk) 23:26, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I think this must be a very recent change. Last time I looked at the orchestra's website I'm sure it used the name Cape Philharmonic Orchestra, and that's the name that appears on CDs I've seen. However if the orchestra is now using the longer name then I guess we should move the article. --Deskford (talk) 23:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Looking further for information about renaming of the orchestra I can't find much, but maybe their Facebook page offers a clue. It's still called Cape Philharmonic Orchestra but on 20 June 2014 the profile picture was changed from a logo showing "Cape Philharmonic Orchestra" to one showing "Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra". In short, I think I support the proposed page move, but it would be good to have some information in the article explaining when and why the name was changed if anyone can find a suitable source. --Deskford (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Facebook page is as Deskford says, but their official web site says Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra pretty consistently (except for the page title in the title bar). --Stfg (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I have just discovered that my research about the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra has been replaced by someone who knows next to nothing about the orchestra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Town_Philharmonic_Orchestra

Edit requested on October 4, 2016[edit]

The Cape Philharmonic Orchestra wiki website is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Town_Philharmonic_Orchestra

Your edits were reverted because they were clearly promotional and therefore in violation of Wikipedia policy. If there are actual errors in the article, please state specifically what they are and the editors of Wikipedia will be happy to fix them for you. However, they will not add material whose true purpose is to turn this page into an advertisement. Altamel (talk) 03:30, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite[edit]

User:Sjalkema has made a major edit to the article which amounts to a total rewrite. I will revert this change for the following reasons:

  1. Conflict of interest. User talk:Sjalkema indicates that this user's previous username was Cape CTPO. Please see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC): Initially, not having researched Wikipedia's login process properly, I registered as Cape CTPO simply because I thought to register a name I would not forget. I do apologize for my ignorance. It was pointed out to me as being 'conflict of interest', whereupon I received advice to register a new username which I did (Sjalkema). May I state that I was never a member of the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra, have never performed with the orchestra as pianist, but simply attend concerts regularly. In 2012, I completed a PhD on the conductors of the Cape Town Municipal Orchestra since inception in 1914 until 1965. The title reads: Conductors of the Cape Town Municipal Orchestra, 1914-1965: a historical perspective.[reply]
  2. Insufficent sourcing. In spite of the number of references cited, several of the claims remain uncited. For example, there is no source for Bernard Gueller being Principal Guest Conductor or Brandon Philips being resident conductor. Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC): I have corrected these and added some more references.[reply]
  3. Parts may be too promotional, such as the section on CD and DVD releases. Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC): I have referred to noteworthy recordings of the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra and removed what I see as promotional.[reply]
  4. Unconventional layout. The use of in-text external links is deprecated. The citations do not follow Wikipedia conventions. The section titles do not follow Wikipedia standards. Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC): Thank you, I have corrected this, and will appreciate any further assistance in getting this article placed on Wikipedia.[reply]

In view of these problems I will revert this edit. However, there appears to be valuable content that can probably be incorporated, so I will move the new text to this talk page so that other editors can incorporate some of it into the article. This follows the recommendation that editors with a conflict of interest should propose changes on the talk pages and not edit articles directly. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted text:

Header text Header text
1 History
2 Educational programs
3 Centenary celebrations
4 Recordings
5 Principal Guest Conductor
6 Resident Conductor

===== History =====Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Founded by the Cape Town City Council,[1] the Cape Town Municipal Orchestra held its inaugural concert on 28 February 1914 in the Cape Town City Hall. This orchestra and its predecessors[2] soon established a reputation nationally and internationally through concerts and tours throughout the country,[3] the UK,[4] Taiwan, the Canary Islands and the United States.[5]

Apart from weekly Thursday evening symphony concerts, the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra,[6] as it is known today, regularly accompanies Cape Town Opera,[7] the Cape Town City Ballet,[8] musicals, pop, community, family and crossover concerts, presenting 120 concerts per annum or more.

Traditional venues such as the Cape Town City Hall, Artscape Opera,[9] community and schools halls, and such outdoor venues as Kirstenbosch,[10] Oude Libertas Amphitheatre[11] and Nederburg Wines,[12] all point to the orchestra’s community involvement.

===== Youth development programs =====Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra’s outreach and educational programs include the Cape Town Philharmonic Youth Orchestra[13] (mentored by members of the professional orchestra); Cape Town Philharmonic Youth Wind Ensemble;[14] and the grassroots training project, Masidlale[15] (meaning ‘let us play’ in Xhosa), where disadvantaged township children are taught theory and performance skills.

===== Centenary celebrations =====Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To mark its centenary celebrations in 2014, the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra published A Century of Symphony: the story of Cape Town’s Orchestra[16] to record the history and heritage of symphonic music in Cape Town and beyond. International and local musicians/conductors who performed/conducted the orchestra as referred to in the book are, among others, Jascha Heifetz,[17] Noël Coward,[18] Sir Thomas Beecham,[19] Igor Stravinsky,[20] Vladimir Ashkenazy,[21] and Pretty Yende.

===== Recordings =====Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Significant recordings released by the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra include Mahler and Wagner songs with mezzo soprano, Hanneli Rupert[22] (Bernhard Gueller,[23] conductor); the Schnittke oratorio, Nagasaki, and symphonies no. 0 and 9, a double CD of orchestral masterpieces (Owain Arwel Hughes,[24] conductor); the Barber and Korngold violin concerti with Alexander Gilman[25] as soloist (Perry So,[26] conductor) which won a Diapason d’Or, and the four Spohr Clarinet concerti with clarinetist Maria du Toit[27] (Arjan Tien,[28] conductor).[29] Marking his 50th birthday, the South African pianist, Francois du Toit,[30] performed all Beethoven piano concerti (Victor Yampolsky, conductor) in 2016.[31]

===== Principal Guest Conductor =====Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Previously music director of the Nuremberg Symphony Orchestra, principal conductor of the Victoria Symphony[32] in BC. Canada, and presently director of Symphony Nova Scotia in Canada since 2003, German-born conductor, Bernard Gueller,[33] was appointed Principal Guest Conductor of the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra in 2016,[34] following Owain Arwel Hughes and Martin Panteleev].[35]

===== Resident Conductor =====Sjalkema (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Winner of the first Len van Zyl Conductors’ Competition,[36] Brandon Phillips[37] is conductor of the Cape Town Philharmonic Youth Orchestra, and resident conductor of the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra.[38]

References

  1. ^ See the article of William Henry Bell titled “The birth of the orchestra”, Cape Times, of 10 February 1925.
  2. ^ In an effort to revitalize the orchestra, the Cape Town Municipal Orchestra changed its name to the Cape Town Symphony Orchestra (CTSO) in 1969 (see “Orchestra’s for 70 players”, The Cape Argus, 12 December 1968). In 1971, the Cape Performing Arts Board (CAPAB) orchestra was established. In 1986, the CTSO was privatized as a Section 21 Company, an ‘Association Not For Gain’ under South African Law (see The Editor, “The CTSO goes private”, The Cape Argus, 28 February 1986). In 1997, the CTSO merged with the CAPAB orchestra to become the CTPO, the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra (see “Brave new venture - Orchestra has huge potential”, Cape Times, 7 April 1997). After the tour to the Canary Islands in 2000, the CTPO closed because of financial problems, and the Cape Philharmonic Orchestra (CPO) was born.
  3. ^ The first tour of the Union was in July 1914 and lasted nine weeks (see Walter Swanson, “Theo Wendt: 1874-1951 - A Tribute by Walter Swanson”, SABC broadcast, 7 February 1951 between 19h15 and 19h30, Cape Town, English program, 4). Many tours were to follow.
  4. ^ The first tour to the UK was in 1925 (see “Union of South Africa: Cape Town Symphony Orchestra - command performance at Buckingham Palace”, The African World Annual (1925): 248).
  5. ^ Louis Heyneman and Shirley de Kock Gueller (editors), A Century of Symphony: the story of Cape Town’s Orchestra, (Johannesburg & Cape Town: Jonathan Ball Publishers, 2014), 154-158.
  6. ^ http://www.cpo.org.za/
  7. ^ http://www.capetownopera.co.za/
  8. ^ http://www.capetowncityballet.org.za/
  9. ^ http://www.artscape.co.za/operahouse
  10. ^ http://www.sanbi.org/gardens/kirstenbosch
  11. ^ http://oudelibertas.co.za/amphitheatre/
  12. ^ https://nederburg.com/#heritage-heroes
  13. ^ http://www.cpo.org.za/outreach/
  14. ^ http://www.cpo.org.za/outreach/
  15. ^ http://www.cpo.org.za/outreach/
  16. ^ Louis Heyneman and Shirley de Kock Gueller.
  17. ^ Heifetz performed two concerts in the Cape Town City Hall in June 1932 (“Heifetz concerts next week”, Cape Times, 25 May 1932).
  18. ^ As early as 1936 Coward’s songs were included in concerts. See Marjorie Swanson, Walter Swanson: a biography (Cape Town, Mowbray: The Printing Press, 1996), 27.
  19. ^ Beecham conducted two concerts at the Alhambra Theatre in Cape Town in 1948 (see “Final Beecham Concert - Another triumph at the Alhambra Theatre”, The Cape Argus, 21 August 1948).
  20. ^ Stravinsky and his assistant, Robert Craft, shared a concert in the Cape Town City Hall in 1962 (see “Large audience enraptured by Stravinsky concert”, Cape Times, 5 June 1962).
  21. ^ See “Superb playing by Ashkenazy”, Cape Times, 12 November 1975.
  22. ^ https://www.la-motte.com/experience/music/
  23. ^ http://www.gueller.com/
  24. ^ http://www.owainarwelhughes.co.uk/
  25. ^ http://www.alexandergilman.com/
  26. ^ http://perryso.com/
  27. ^ http://www.mariadutoit.com/
  28. ^ http://www.arjantien.com/
  29. ^ CD and DVD releases are available from the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra archives
  30. ^ http://www.sacm.uct.ac.za/sacm/staff/fulltime/assocProfessors/FrancoisDuToi
  31. ^ Available from the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra archives.
  32. ^ See also https://victoriasymphony.ca/
  33. ^ http://www.gueller.com/
  34. ^ http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d59531fcd567e469a4f2c6e29&id=391239a53a
  35. ^ http://martin-panteleev.com/index.php/en/biography
  36. ^ http://www.cpo.org.za/len-van-zyl-conductors-competition/
  37. ^ http://www.cpo.org.za/outreach/
  38. ^ http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d59531fcd567e469a4f2c6e29&id=62ca7b674e

|} – Verbcatcher (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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