Talk:Careful with That Axe, Eugene/GA1

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 16:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Long time no see! FunkMonk (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if a fair use sample would be useful for more readers than sheet music? I was able to read guitar notes in my teens, but that's looong forgotten, hehe... FunkMonk (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Early Years 1965–1972 is duplinked.

Hi, it's been a while but good to see you're still around.

The sheet music was taken off Money, but it doesn't really add much, and come to think of it, can you copyright D played octaves apart? I guess we could do a sample instead. Give me a mo and I'll see what I can do.

And fixed the dupe link - I forgot to run the script. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, a sample is up. I don't suppose I'll be able to get away with sampling a crappy-sounding bootleg, so I'll go with a vinyl rip of the original Relics LP. I think File:Roger waters leeds 1970.jpg is actually showing him playing "Careful with That Axe Eugene" based on where his fingers are on the fretboard, but that's original research. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! FunkMonk (talk) 03:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The external Youtube link is private and its legality seems questionable anyway.

I think Martinevans123 has changed it

"features a level "Careful with That Axe, Eugene"." A level called?

I've changed this slightly and linked to Level (video games) to make it more obvious to the reader

"refer to a character also called Eugene" Perhaps say "also refers to a character", to make it more ambiguous whether these are two different characters or one? We don't know, after all...

Tweaked accordingly. I think the names are a co-incidence, I haven't seen a source mentioning anything more obvious

Link band name at first mention outside intro.

Done

Present the role of each band member at their first mention in the article body?

I mentioned this when reviewing somebody else's GA review recently, so good catch.

"where the heroine pictures a villa" What is meant by "pictures"? Haven't seen the film, unfortunately!

Changed to "imagines" and copyedited; do a Google search for "zabriskie point exploding" and you'll find a (copyvio) clip and see what I mean!

"but it was ultimately omitted" Do we know why?

Unfortunately not, the only source available from James Guthrie just has a list of provisional songs that didn't make the final cut (if you'll pardon the pun) with no other information

As long as it's not a reference to the Division Bell or something like that, I'm fine with it, hehe... FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"The track was one of several to be considered for the band's 2001 "best of" album, Echoes: The Best of Pink Floyd, but it was ultimately omitted.[15]" Isn't this info more appropriate under "releases"? Not sure what it has to do with "Composition and recording".

Moved and copyedited a bit

"on the addition The Early Singles CD" Additional?

Yup, good catch

"Many other versions were available on bootlegs." Lacks a citation.

Tricky one this. It's like citing the sky is blue; all we are claiming here is that bootlegs exist containing live versions of CwTAE, nothing else. Unfortunately, I haven't found a traditional reliable source that even acknowledges them, so I've resorted to citing some bootlegs I know about that (AFAIK) have things that aren't on the Early Years boxset set

Better than nothing. FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"was played to press" The press?

Yes, that's correct British English, elsewhere you'd probably use news media. Should I put in a link?

If it's correct, should be fine as is. FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've popped a link in anyway - doesn't hurt. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"and some performances feature different spoken lines by Waters" Any examples?

Unfortunately, I can't find anything in reliable sources. If you listen to bootlegs you'll hear gibberish including a pictish rant in the manner of Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict; however I think we're veering off into original research territory here

Link Radio 1?

Done

"on Australian TV programme, GTK" Add "the" and remove comma?

Done

"The song was one of four Pink Floyd songs" A bit repetitive, how about "It was one of four Pink Floyd songs?

Changed, but I don't like starting paragraphs with "it", because the user has to think of what the context is for a minute

Maybe start with the song's name, like you do in the succeeding sentence? FunkMonk (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone with "it" but reorganised the sentences so it's not an issue Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"with a final one-off performance in 1977" This was the last time it was ever performed by them? The article body doesn't seem to make this clear.

Yup. It was put in at the end of a good gig as a third encore, and as it wasn't revived for the 87 and later tours, that was it

Anything on the meaning or what it tries to evoke?

The only information I can find is in Reisch 2011, which is already cited. In fact, for a frequently performed live track, there's surprisingly little information about it - probably because it wasn't written as such, but just jammed into shape.

Okay, there are some replies, hope that's all useful. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, not much more to do here, good to see more classic rock at GAN again. Missed it for a while! FunkMonk (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for another great review, and good to see you back doing them! :-) Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]