Talk:Casa del Fascio (Varese)

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Limelightangel (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

I'm not sure the title of the infobox should be "Quester of Varese". Maybe "Casa del Fascio (Varese)" would be more accurate? 11 Vin (talk) 18:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@11 Vin: The title of the Infobox should match the topic title. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Infobox

Limelightangel (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ch29.galletti: the Infobox markup was placed above the page markup header, placing the draft banner lower on the page. Do not add markup above this header. I have moved the relevant header to the top of the page.Limelightangel (talk) 21:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel: Thanks, Do I need to add also a picture in the infobox. Ch29.galletti (talk) 08:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Ideally you should have as much of what is possible for each template field. You don't need to use all the available fields. The template usually includes fields for a relevant image and possibly a map. Look at the specific template Help for the one you are using, and look at similar pages for good practice. Limelightangel (talk) 13:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Referencing

Citing web sources

References 1, 2 and 3 are incorrect, with no authors, article dates or publishers. The link in ref. 2 does not work. Limelightangel (talk) 15:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Ref. 5 is incorrect and incomplete for a web source: ' "Il palazzo – Montanari" (in Italian). Retrieved 2023-11-15 '. No author, article date or publisher. See Cite Web help and Cite Web template. Limelightangel (talk) 18:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Referencing same source multiple times

@LIUCTessa09: Use Refname in the Cite template to avoid creating multiple references to the same source: "Often, you will want to use the same source more than once in an article to support multiple facts. In this case, you can click Named references in the toolbar, and select a previously added source to re-use." See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_referencing_with_Wiki_Markup/3

Limelightangel (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel: corrected it.

Fr04.LIUC (talk) 8:25, 15 November 2023 (CET)

@Fr04.LIUC: Ref. text needs to be in correct case, not all UPPER CASE; and check Help for referencing non-English sources (language/translation)Limelightangel (talk) 09:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Missing citations

Do not add text without supporting citations. Avoid large text blocks and paragraphs with no references e.g. the whole section on 'Internal Structure' has no references.Limelightangel (talk) 18:48, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel Added the missing citation in internal structure even though the text need to be written again because is too similar to the Italian source translated Ch29.galletti (talk) 09:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Style

• remove the duplicate content (to location in Piazzale della Libertà).
• avoid phrases like 'Nowadays' (removed)

Limelightangel (talk) 18:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I removed the duplicate content. ~~~~ Ch29.galletti (talk) 14:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel I removed the duplicate content. Ch29.galletti (talk) 14:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Structure

• the destruction of Montanari's frescoes should be in History, not Architecture?
• '1945' is an unclear and inappropriate sub-section name.
• 'Images' is not an appropriate section, although Gallery might be.

Renamed the section. LIUCTessa09 (talk) 20:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Limelightangel (talk) 18:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• The subsection on Case del Fascio should be reduced and linked to the page topic in the lead section. The content here relates to the topic of another page, to which it can be more briefly related.

Thank you, corrected it. LIUCTessa09 (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Limelightangel (talk) 10:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• the following text duplicates earlier content: "It was built as the headquarters of the Fascist Party near the Palazzo del Governo"; and "The Casa del Fascio of Varese was the local headquarters of the Partito Nazionale Fascista"
• History: needs consistent sub-sections related to the period. The first text relates to Construction period.
• subsection '1945' is incorrectly placed in the architecture section.

Removed it. LIUCTessa09 (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Limelightangel (talk) 10:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel added the sub-sections related to Construction Period. Ch29.galletti (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Grammar

• 'The building had a lot of control during that period.' Limelightangel (talk) 17:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  corrected 11 Vin (talk) 15:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Linking

• a link out occurs with the first use of the linked word/phrase in the page. Check and fix the link out to Mussolini. Limelightangel (talk) 17:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  corrected Fr04.LIUC (talk) 14:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Review 4/12/23

• needs images, plans and historic images/documents
• the actual history of the building is limited for a 90 year old historic building
• the page needs the addition of better See Also, External links and Categories. See:

1. Help:Categories
2. Wikipedia:External_links
3. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section

• location could have addition information e.g. adjacent buildings
• history sub-headings need dates
• the three sections on general Casa del Fascio need explicitly relating to the page topic or it will be deleted as it belongs on the existing page on this topic.
• style: 'throughout those years'; 'architecture needed. to evolve'; 'thanks to';
• spell out/explain accronyms when first used, with the correct convention for non-English phrases e.g. PNF
• duplicate content e.g. built as the headquarters of the Italian Fascist Party (three times); Mario Loreti;
• check convention on use of italics and use these consistently
• grammar: 'At first the buildings that were transformed into Fascist headquarters, spread all over Italy, were illegal lairs that hosted Gruppi Rionali and other squadrons'; 'pre-existent buildings';
• link out to Province of Varese could be in lead section, not Architecture
• structure: the content on symbol appears to relate to Casa del Fascio generally, rather than this specific building.symbol: it is unclear if this building is/was decorated with an 'M', eagle, DVX, etc.
• check the convention for translating, consistency and formatting of non-Italian words/organizations e.g. in Internal Structure
• Bibliography: A-Z by author surnames?

Limelightangel (talk) 11:47, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the review, changes have been made to section 2 until 13 Lologizolo (talk) 14:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Bibliography is now in alphabetical order. Lologizolo (talk) 14:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Added some links to the section See Also. LIUCTessa09 (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Review 11/12/23

• inconsistencies and missing information in references (dates, wuthors, publishers), and unclear that many are in non-Enmglish language e.g. ref. 24 has a clear date and publisher in the web source, etc.
• duplicate references e.g. refs. 9 & 10
• no External links
• See also links not understood with many duplications of in-text links and irrelevant links
• Italian titles in bibliography have no English translations
• over-reliance on Italian sources
• issues with image captions: 'the questura of Varese'; 'Commemorative plaque for Calogero Marrone (Varese)' (unclear topic relevance or image location);
• issue with image relevance to page topoc: 'Example of a Fascist symbol (in Stazione Centrale di Milano)'
• the relevance of the text and image for Calogero Marrone is of unclear relevance to the page topic
• the draft has only 2 relevant images, of the same view at different periods
• repetition: 'the headquarters for the local Fascist party '; 'the headquarters of the Fascist Party'
• Location needs rewriting and the sub-heading removed
• repetitive and multiple issues with consistency and correct use of non-English translations, speech marks, bold and italics e.g. 'Palazzo Provincia di Varese; Palazzo del Littorio; Piazzale Libertà; Mario Loreti; 'Calogero Marrone'; "Case del Fascio"; Case del Fascio; 'Prefettura di Varese (villa of the province of Varese). ' ; 'the Sacrarium'; The Sacrarium ; '“La Vittoria Alata” ; La Vittoria Alata ;etc.
• repetitive and multiple issues with grammar: 'represented over a course of period'; 'the Casa del Fascio designated as its provincial capital.'; 'according to the 1932 contest. It had the aim of defining the set up of those buildings, it started in Bologna but was extended to'; 'the Casa would have been erected. '; 'intimate gatherings.'; 'Some instances feature the building enclosing in an L shape,'; 'and favourable territory.'; 'The building is strategically positioned, it remains'; 'Casa del Fascio in Varese, as the others Case del Fascio, '; 'The buildings were utilized otherwise, as schools, libraries, police stations, etc.'; 'the headquarters of collateral organizations'; 'a commitmant'; 'When advancing towards the Police Commissioner's office, formerly known as the General Directory room, "La Vittoria Alata" can be found on the footing above the entrance. '; 'Nike is represented with the 'Fasci' by offering the laurel wreath to the Milite Ignoto also known as the 'unknown soldier','; 'of meaningful moments happened '; 'the Fresco painting'; etc.
• repetitive issues with style: 'Although'; 'a good view '; 'However'; 'Moreover'; 'but' (multiple times); 'not only enhances the operational capabilities of the law enforcement agency but also signifies a commitment to'; 'a vital center for coordinating law enforcement efforts, ensuring the safety and security of '; 'could be found in the'; 'placed on the second floor.'; 'Whilst both were intercommunicating passages, '; 'namely authorities and hierarchs.'; 'The back of the entrance served for the public of Varese.'; 'together with'; 'The discoveries made during the exhibition revealed intriguing aspects '; 'the entire narrative of Fascism takes place'; etc.
• the content still needs better differentiation from the broader topic and existing page on Casa del Fascio
• structure: 'The Casa del Fascio in Varese was designed and built on a triangular piece of land given by the Province of Varese starting on 7 March 1933.' - belongs in History or location, nor Architecture
• link out to Fascism is far too late in the article
• poor sub-heading: 'Internal structure during Fascism'
• redundant content: It contributed to the architectural design of Casa del Fascio in Varese.
• inconsistencies: 'the questura'; 'the Questura';
• overlinking AND irrelevant links out e.g. to Frescos (in 2 irrelevant places)
• missing links in
• limited in factual information and specific topic focus
• mainly flat text

Limelightangel (talk) 17:20, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel removed duplicate references, removed duplicate links, removed the image about fascist symbols, sub-heading in location removed and fixed the style. We tried to fix the style and consistence. Ch29.galletti (talk) 14:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel

• Added content and linked out Fascism in a previous sentence.
• Linked the draft page in other existing pages
• removed wrong reference to "La Vittoria Alata"
• added some bold

Fr04.LIUC (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

changed poor sub heading for internal structure section 11 Vin (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel fixed flat text and inappropriate use of non-English words 19steezy (talk)

Review 16/12/23

• duplicate content related to poor structure: 'It served as the headquarters for the local Fascist party '; 'was constructed as the headquarters of the Fascist Party'; 'was the local headquarters of the PNF (standing for Partito Nazionale Fascista, also known as the National Fascist Party)';
• See Also duplicates several page links and the purpose of this section not understood - see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section
• no External links
• missing links in from other relevant pages
• inconsistent image text format (bold)
• incorrect grammar and missing location/relevance details in image caption: 'Plague of Calogero Marrone'
• inconsistency: the topic is Casa del Fascio of Varese ; the image captions have both 'Questura of Varese' (twice) and 'Casa del Fascio of Varese'; The Casa del Fascio of Varese in text, 'The Casa del Fascio of Varese ' in caption; 'The Casa del Fascio'; 'in Casa del Fascio in Varese'; 'The Frescoes'; 'frecoes'; etc.
• continuing, fundamental and multiple issues with style/grammar e.g. 'However'; 'crucial'; 'together with'; 'The first group was the one of the houses built for villages with a population between'; 'Case del Fascio, at first, were built '; 'an urban intervention occurred'; 'corners of the buildings were apart of that.'; 'many Italian cities where far-reaching parts of the city were consequently redesigned.'; 'Many buildings merged with two roads, this is the case of Casa del Fascio.'; ' to create more noticeability. It was a gesture towards to Fascist regime'; 'crossing the border near Varese due to its favorable territory.'; 'The camp was known as a transit camp,' (what 'camp'?); 'that Commissioner Solinas actively slowing down the'; 'jewish lives '; 'currently used'; 'not only enhances the operational capabilities'; lso signifies a commitment'; 'a crucial hub for orchestrating law enforcement initiatives, thereby safeguarding the safety and security'; '130 rooms with different sizes. '; 'The building displays Italian Rationalism architecture, incorporating straight and curved lines, the use of multiple materials and the presence of a clock tower are examples of that'; 'a popular mean of'; 'The architects, generally tried to'; 'The structures served otherwise, various '; 'As well as the Union of Manual and Intellectual Workers, Building Trade Unions, and Cronaca Prealpina's editorial office, which was the Federation's newspaper. '; 'could be found in'; 'even though they had '; 'could be found on'; 'namely '; 'The basement is placed'; 'of significant occasions happened in that period: '; 'the entire history of Fascism takes place. '; etc.
• some content remains of explicit relevance to the topic
• incorrect use of italics:The Fascist University Groups ensured loyalty to the Fascist Government amongst University students, by propagating Fascist ideology and by suppressing the difference of opinion.
• irrelevant content e.g. 'It contributed to the architectural design of Casa del Fascio in Varese.'
• item in Bibliography has no designation as in Italian or a translation
• references missing dates, publishers, authors, etc. e.g. 15, 18, 19, 20, 21, 25
• earlier feedback not addressed e.g. 'the relevance of the text and image for Calogero Marrone is of unclear relevance to the page topic'

Limelightangel (talk) 10:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

fixed inconsistencies in the image captions 11 Vin (talk) 11:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

removed elements from "see also" section Fr04.LIUC (talk) 12:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

edited references Fr04.LIUC (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

edited problems about italics Fr04.LIUC (talk) 12:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

removed bibliography section since there are no English references Fr04.LIUC (talk) 12:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

fixed grammar and style 11 Vin (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

fixed inconsistent image text format 11 Vin (talk) 13:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

fixed style issues Ch29.galletti (talk) 15:25, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Limelightangel fixed consistence and issues related to bold and italic, removed duplicate content. Ch29.galletti (talk) 15:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

fixed style issues 19steezy (talk)

Fixed some grammar and style issues LIUCTessa09 (talk) 11:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)