Talk:Celtics–Heat rivalry

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Fan POV tag[edit]

Pinging @Muboshgu: as you tagged this article with the fan pov tag. My question here is what specifically made you tag it with that so I can go ahead and patch that up. Soulbust (talk) 05:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. I don't remember. This is why WP:DRIVEBY tagging is not great, even when I do it. My biggest concern is that I don't see references actually establishing a "rivalry". This more describes the Celtics / Heat matchups, which is an article that could be written for every pair of teams. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is a fair point about driveby tagging. To hopefully lower your concern about if this is established as a rivalry by the referencing: it looks like to me that sportswriters' started considering the Celtics/Heat matchup a rivalry around 2012, especially with the 2012 ECF matchup. These 2012 sources currently in the article (1, 2) refer to Celtics/Heat as a rivalry.

I found these sources from 2022 and 2023 (1, 2, 3) that also call it a rivalry. Which I would say makes a lot of sense considering the two teams have now matched up five times as deep into the season as they can, and thrice in the last four postseasons. I'll see if I can find a good spot in the article for any of those 3 recent sources. Soulbust (talk) 04:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting[edit]

@Flowerkiller1692: Hi. Thank you for edits to the article about the GM to GM beef. But I have questions regarding the re-addition of the 94–70 (BOS) formatting for the series win-loss record, and BOS W10 on the win streak formatting. I wanted to revert this but I believe I already have twice and don't want to violate the three-revert rule.

I think @Sbaio: also originally added this perhaps, so I'm pinging for a full convo here. Where is the guideline/policy that states this needs to be formatting here?

I reverted this for reasons I left in my edit summary but I haven't seen any reason as to why have this formatting. I think the 94-70 (BOS) is not helpful. While yes, it is obvious to us, there is no prior designation as (BOS) being matched up with Boston, or (MIA) with Miami, and I think that designation would look pretty silly in the prose. Although if there would be a consensus to have that in the prose then that's fine.

But the bigger issue is "BOS W10" or text of that nature. The "W10" is entirely non-descriptive. Again, this is obvious to me but only because I stay looking at NBA standings and things of that nature. But there is, again, no designation that the W means wins, or that "W10" means winning streak. And if by chance, the "Winning streak" parameter is supposed to fill that role, then including "W" is redundant. "Boston, 10" or "BOS, 10" (if we want to go with the three letter coding) would suffice in my opinion.

But I have zero idea why these were the formats that seemed to be implemented across the board of the NBA rivalry articles recently, without discussion (at least to my knowledge). Please link me any prev discussion on the matter if it exists, as that would be helpful for me. Thanks Soulbust (talk) 01:03, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These changes are not controversial and there is no need for a any dicussion. All changes were done according to other rivalries pages and the template itself. In addition, did you see the condition NBA rivalries pages? They are crying for help. Some of them do not even have rivalry records updated for a very long time or in other words – most of these pages are simply abandoned. – sbaio 02:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that many of them did not have that formatting prior to you adding them. I don't think they are necessarily controversial but they don't seem optimal for the reasons I mentioned, so I think "no need for any discussion" is a pretty dismissive look on it.

And yes, I am aware of the condition of the other rivalry pages. I do think I'll be making some edits to those where/when I can. Soulbust (talk) 04:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just followed the format of other pages. If you want to revert them go for it. Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 04:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]