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research? Ajwebb 03:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

  • I changed this information to reflect the information from the Census Bureau. If anyone finds this information not factually correct, please change it. Ajwebb 20:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Suburbs Correction

South Hills and Kanawha City are neighborhoods within the city limits of Charleston, and should not be listed a suburbs of the city. WVhybrid 04:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Suburbs Rebuttal

Kanawha City is part of Charleston, South Hills is as well. Otherwise they wouldn't be represented on the city council. If anyone compares a map of Charleston to the ward map both are clearly represented. It can be found here http://www.cityofcharleston.org/planning/_vti_cnf/Wards%202007.pdf

Also Avampato Discovery Museum is the new name for Sunrise Museum since it's relocation to the Clay Center. They are both one in the same. Contact the Clay Center for verification.

Merge on Roads of Charleston, West Virginia

Strong oppose: Not satisfied with screwing up the redirects to it, the 4.234.165.179 is suggesting Roads of Charleston, West Virginia it be merged with this city page. Can you imagine the page of roads being squished into an already lengthy city page? The roads page offers a unique resource that is both lengthy and in depth, comparable with similar pages at:

More will be created soon to supplement these new pages. Now will the attacks on the page stop? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 01:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Roads of Charleston, West Virginia should be merged with this article. The bulk of the content is already here; what isn't (like the pictures) will improve this article. In addition, cities with only 50,000 people don't merit articles with the title "Roads of..." and "List of roads of..." as there would be easily turned into listcruft/roadcruft as the title would imply that all the surface streets (like Oakland Avenue) would have to be included. That would be unwieldy for a small town like Charleston. Imagine the mess that Roads of Atlanta, Georgia or Roads of Los Angeles or Roads of Jacksonville, Florida would be... 4.234.165.179 01:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
That is because the project was begun by me, enhanced by numerous other editors, not that long ago. The welcome for it was overwhelming. The attacks I mentioned was the "speedy delete" tag applied just minutes after one of the pages was initially created, and then the whole redirect-hell mess. Charleston is a major junction for three interstates, two US highways, and many state routes. It is a city that is the largest in West Virginia, the capital, and a critical transportation junction. To omit it would be cramming all the information into a very lengthy Charleston page. The threats of AFD have no bearing on this discussion, and since it has not been submitted, then stop with the sassy threats. Perhaps you should get a few more edits under your belt... Seicer (talk) (contribs) 01:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
And to add, since one particular editor cannot comprehend what the page is about, and for further clearification: Roads of Charleston... is not City streets of Charleston. It is simply categorised under City specific, to which the purpose was clearly indicated upon the article's creation. Your argument is nullified, since only notable roadways would need to be explained. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 01:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Please, no personal attacks. Comment on the content, not the editor who wrote them. Much of the editors involved in US Roads articles have had their fair share of less-than-civil discussion lately with Arbcom and WP:SRNC and WP:USSH and WP:RfC, amongst others. Let's lower the temperature of discourse a notch, please... B.Wind 20:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose This seems like it could be a model page for a future project to prevent the messes that the merge nom fears. If anything, merging into the Chas. article would make a real mess. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 01:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

This might be better as Transportation of Charleston, West Virginia. But this should definitely not be merged with the Charleston article. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 01:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
When the page is completed, you would be having a very large article. It would not be feasable if you included rail, air, and river service, especially since each could have a lengthy page devoted to it. This goes back to the very beginning of this page, when someone slapped a delete tag minutes after I initially created it, thus demostrating that they are not here as constructive editors but as tag-happy users. Same thing with this IPuser, who has contributed nothing of value outside of tags. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 01:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
These IPs are rogue and not helpful to the encyclopedia. This is disturbing. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 01:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose This should not be merged with the article. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 01:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Strong oppose per above arguments. Consider this: a section already exists in this article about transportation in the city, and this section is sufficient for an article that's intended to be about the entire city, not one part of it. Does anyone see a full-blown section on Frontier Field in Rochester, New York? No, because that information would be too specific for the city article. That's why the article Frontier Field exists. The same argument applies here. Is there a full blown section on this page for every highway that enters the city limits? No, only one section listing them all because sections for each highway would be far too specific for this page. That's why Roads of Charleston, West Virginia exists and why it should remain as a stand-alone article. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose, Oppose, Oppose per above. No justification whatsoever for a merge. WVhybrid 00:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose! I don't know if anybody cares on what my opinion is, but I oppose to the article Roads of Charleston, West Virginia being merged with Charleston, West Virginia. In the infrastructure section of the Charleston article, there should only be a brief discription of the city's highways, with a link to the "Roads of Charleston" article. The road article will give a much larger discription with photos. I think the merge tag should be eliminated. The Punk 07:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I also oppose merging detailed information about the city's highways into the main article. I think it's good to have such details pulled out onto a separate page, so that those who are interested can click on the link, and those who aren't can skip past. Concerns regarding the notability of detailed information about roads and streets in an encyclopedia can then be addressed on the talk page of the roads article -- or in an AfD proposal, if one wanted to push it that far. I suspect that an AfD proposal on the matter would probably fail for lack of consensus -- and that's fine with me. I'm not really interested in the Category:Britney Spears songs, but I'm not upset that the category exists. The Wikipedia's a big project, and can accommodate much detail. It's not paper. Malepheasant 09:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - this discussion would be much better served at either the village pump or the WikiProject U.S. Roads as this borders on establishing Wikipedia policy as to inclusion/exclusion of articles, and a wider cross section of input is needed here. Frankly, I see one big, fat slippery slope here... two actually as the "other" obvious question is going to be "What are the limits to inclusion?" (i.e., should all the Charleston streets be listed? Should every city with population greater than 20,000 have a similar article?). This will have ramifications beyond any localized WikiProject, and it needs to be discussed by the Wikipedia community at large. B.Wind 20:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I made it pretty clear that the article was not to focus on "city streets" as one user defined the page as being (he didn't comment on this, oddly enough), but to be a detailed guide on the interstates, federal highways, state routes, and major thoroughfares. The only thoroughfare worth noting is Kanawha Blvd. along the river, as the rest multiplex with their respective routes. The pages work great as-is; if it isn't broken, let's not try to go and fix it or redefine the pages. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 20:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Much more easily said than done. Although Seicer apparently has a specific plan for the page, it must be pointed out that he/she won't be the only editor of it. Another person with another "vision" of it may interpret by the title that the article can contain more than Seicer's vision of it, and any edit along that line of reasoning must be considered in good faith, and we - all of us - must act/react appropriately to it. To do otherwise violates one of the most important policies of Wikipedia. B.Wind 22:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Schools

We need to decide whether this article is about the City of Charleston or the Charleston MSA. For example, in the schools section, only Capital, George Washington and Charleston Catholic are mentioned (but not the other Kanawha Cty high schools), while in the "Economy" section, companies are listed which are in other areas of the valley. Boomer 22:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the schools section ought to include specific geographical references? Herbert Hoover, Sissonville, et al should perhaps be mentioned as being in the metro area, but top-of-the-section real estate ought to be given to the three high schools actually within city limits. Shapu 20:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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Photographs

I see a tag on this page requesting more photographs of Charleston. What sections could use these the most? I was considering a picture of the University of Charleston and the Marshall University Graduate College, and maybe a picture of the structure of the Charleston Town Center and a shot of a portion of Southridge/Corridor G.

--TarrVetus (talk) 12:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Didn't Charles Manson used to live in Charleston, WV?

I believe I've heard this somewhere, I just can't remember where. Can anyone enlighten me on this subject? If he did, I think it should be noted in this article. - J-Whitt (talk) 19:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I have no source on this, but I think that it was somewhere around where the Go Mart on West Washington St. is/was (I haven't been there for a few years, so I don't know if there is still a Go-Mart in that area). This is all based off of recollection and should not be used as a reason to put the info in the article, but it could serve as a starting point for research for someone. y'amer'can (wtf?) 20:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, does anyone else have any information? - J-Whitt (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Building heights

Can someone who knows where to look re-check the heights of the Kanawha Valley Building and the state capitol building? The article says the Kanawha Valley Building is the tallest, but in the chart it is listed as both taller (metric units) AND shorter (English units)than the capitol building. 71.62.27.199 (talk) 20:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Patrick Bentley

If you check the edit history, you will find that a certain editor has made several unusual edits to the building heights.WVhybrid (talk) 04:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Kanawha definition

The name, Kanawha, arrival shown in this article is intriguing. Does anybody know the source connecting it to the Caribbean? I'm wondering if there is some not so well published history. Thankyou for any leads for further research reasons. Conaughy (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

After further research:

  • Arawakan languages
  • Monetons

    • Kahnawáˀkye in Tuscarora (upper West Virginia Iroquois) means "waterway", "kye" is augmentive suffix. Lachler, McElwain, and Burke http://www.mingolanguage.org/ Mingo (Iroquois) Etymology about boating: kaháwa' noun means boat. kényua'. This switch-interactive verb means to row a boat or more to ferry someone across a stretch of water. It belongs to the semantic fields the sea and transportation. Etymology kényua' -NYU- Verb Root. Grammatical Info Base -nyu-.Stem Class LX. Conjugation Class XX. kényua' "I row boats". kaháwa', (boat) grammatical info base -haw- Stem Class C, Prefix Class Agent, Linker Vowel ö. Note that the -h- at the beginning of this base is strong, and so does not drop out when it would come between two vowels. Varies with kahôwö'. Possessed Form akháwa' my boat. Plural Form kahawa'shö'ö boats. káhu' means "this way" or in this direction. Thankyou for your consideration. Conaughy (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

    Minor Cleanup

    I did a lot of very minor cleanup of this article today - mostly removing dead links, but a few minor grammar or punctuation problems. Xela Yrag (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

    I did a few more minor edits today, again mostly removing dead links. Xela Yrag (talk) 05:16, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

    Rail bridges?

    On Google Earth if you look at 38°21'29.59"N 81°37'49.16"W, there is what appears to be a pair of rail bridges, or, one rail bridge that has a 'ghosted' image. They both look very similar, which is what makes me wonder if the one on the left (west) is a ghost image). Does anybody know anything about this? It seems odd two would be built along side each other like that. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 04:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

    No one ever addressed this question, but there is only one bridge, and it has not been in use for, wow, 30 years? More? I only remember seeing a train cross it once, when I was a small child, more than 40 years ago.Xela Yrag (talk) 05:15, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

    Historical Structures

    The list of historic structures includes a reference to "All Saints United Church." However, a search for United Methodist churches in the Charleston area does not show one by that name. Could it be instead the "All Saints Episcopal Church" in South Charleston?

    I wondered about that too, when I just read it. The Methodist Church I know is Christ Church United Methodist, unless they have very recently changed their name. Looking it up now ..... Xela Yrag (talk) 05:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC) Ok, looked it up, and I see no reference to any name change, so I am changing the name in the article to Christ Church United Methodist. I cannot find anything about All Saints church in the historical district with all the churches. If there is one, please add it, but leave CCUM there. Xela Yrag (talk) 05:09, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

    207.119.167.179 (talk) 03:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

    Suburb References???

    Can anyone tell me the actual reference source for declaring some of the communities in the Suburb list to be an actual suburb of Charleston? Having been to Pinch, and a number of the communities identified on the suburb list, these are not suburbs in the sense of if you dont line in Charleston, you live in the "suburbs". I am at this time creating a number of the unincorporated comunities pages for Kanawha and there is no way I am aware of to declare these places suburbs..........ANY clarification would be appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

    As requested, I would be delighted to discuss the usage of suburbs in this articleCoal town guy (talk) 18:28, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
    Another thing related to the suburbs that caught me as odd is that Chelyan isn't listed, while both Cabin Creek and Chesapeake are. Cabin Creek and Chesapeake are on opposite sides of Chelyan along route 61. Making it not listed as a suburb of Charleston, but surrounded by places listed as suburbs of Charleston. Schadrach (talk) 18:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

    Charleston MSA

    Putnum County was moved to the Huntington MSA per http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/Editorials/201306060194. Odd, but apparently true... Sandcherry (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC) 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:1F0:5273:3371:5690 (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

    When incorporated as a city?

    You are silent on this fact of interest to genealogists as well as others. 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:1F0:5273:3371:5690 (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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    Assessment comment

    The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Charleston, West Virginia/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

    Would easily re a "B" class article if it cited its aources. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 14:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

    Last edited at 14:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 11:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

    Communities within Charleston

    I deleted three items: "Davis Creek" and "Elk" and "Oakwood." You said to make a case for it on the talk page and cite references, so here you go:

    Davis Creek (an unincorporated community along a creek west-southwest of Charleston) is NOT "within Charleston." All you have to do to verify that is to look at this map. https://www.maptechnica.com/us-city-boundary-map/city/Charleston/state/WV/cityid/5414600

    There is no such community as "Elk" within Charleston, either. (See same map, or just google it. Lots of Elks in other states, but none here.)

    There is no such community as "Oakwood" in Charleston, either. (Again, just google "Oakwood Neighborhood" and you will see there is NO SUCH NEIGHBORHOOD in Charleston WV.) A road by that name is in the "South Hills" neighborhood (where I live)up near Ferry Branch.

    Also, you should have kept the changes I made about Coonskin Park and Kanawha State Forest NOT being IN Charleston, but nearby; but anybody looking for them will look on a map.

    Do you need anything else? I'm not a computer expert, I hope you get this!Livedhere4ever (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2016 (UTC) [1]

    References

    1. ^ https://www.maptechnica.com/us-city-boundary-map/city/Charleston/state/WV/cityid/5414600

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    Population trivia

    I'd like to get others' opinions on the population trivia included in the article opening: "It is the least populous state capital in the United States to be the most populous city in a state, and the second-least populous city in the United States to be the most populous city in a state after Burlington, Vermont." I find that sentence confusing to read and I don't believe it adds any real value to the article. I believe it should be removed. I'd like to hear from others. If you think it should be kept, why should it be kept and how can the text me made easier for readers to understand? Bitmapped (talk) 22:07, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

    Agree to removal. Unneeded trivia. Sandcherry (talk) 01:45, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

    We need some time lines

    I was looking at the statement below as partt of the 2nd paragraph,

    "Early industries important to Charleston included salt and the first natural gas well. Later, coal became central to economic prosperity in the city and the surrounding area. Today, trade, utilities, government, medicine, and education play central roles in the city's economy."

    Thats not correct. Charleston did not become a major trading power until it had a rail system which was after 1878. Thats why Clarksburg and Martinsburg were suggested as alternative State Capiitol sites because they had rails....Coal town guy (talk) 17:06, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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