Talk:Chicken parmesan

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Kirsten Jelinek (April 23, 2021). "Extraordinary seven year battle over the origins of Australia's favourite pub meal takes a bizarre turn – as dedicated fans claim the chicken parmigiana is Aussie NOT Italian". Daily Mail. Retrieved April 23, 2021. The editor's discussion page for the beloved dish have argued since 2014 that the parmigiana's roots in Italy and American history should be highlighted.
Anton Nilsson (April 23, 2021). "Wikipedia editors in heated debate over origins of chicken parmigiana". Perth Now. Retrieved April 24, 2021. So who is right? Food historians say it depends on what you mean when you say chicken parmigiana.

On 20 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Chicken parmigiana to Chicken parmesan. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Not to be confused with parmo.[edit]

A parmo is English delicacy with a similar but unrelated to a parmesan. G_ary^{Talk to me} 13:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

The names aren't similar enough for a hatnote. I removed it. Also, there was no need to start a talk page discussion about it. oknazevad (talk) 14:45, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Parmo is however close to parma which is a common name for it in Australia. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 October 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) ‡ The Night Watch ω (talk) 23:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chicken parmigiana → Chicken parmesan – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH. Base on the Google Ngrams, the most common name for this dish in English is "chicken parmesan". Rreagan007 (talk) 22:58, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't chicken parmesan only be applicable when parmesan cheese is used? I'm not sure the name would apply when other cheeses are employed. - Bilby (talk) 23:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, the term "parmesan" can also apply to the style of cooking and this dish specifically even if no parmesan cheese is actually used. I've seen plenty of Italian-American restaurant menus where it is called "chicken parmesan" even though no parmesan cheese was used in the dish. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems odd. I have almost never seen "chicken parmesan" used, but it might be a regional thing. - Bilby (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in addition to the Google Ngrams I cite above, Googling "chicken parmigiana" yields me 2.28 million search results, while "chicken parmesan" yields me 7.97 million search results. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)][reply]

I'm sure it is used - just not a term that is used here much, so I rarely encounter it. - Bilby (talk) 01:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support move, as the target appears to be the common name. O.N.R. ^(talk) 00:49, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support move, I've never heard it called "chicken parmigiana", always just "chicken pamesan". And not it's not just when it has parmesan cheese. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "parmigiana" is the usual Australian use (the Macquarie Dictionary is behind a paywall but "parmesan" is not given as an adjective, only "parmigiana" (the given example "eggplant parmigiana")). If this page move goes ahead, the sections referring to the dish in Australia should continue to take the current spelling. Bayonet-lightbulb (talk) 14:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Shwcz (talk) 09:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Beware, the term "chicken parmesan" and "parmesan chicken" can also include other dishes that contain parmesan cheese and chicken, such as this dish that cannot be considered to be a variation of "chicken parmigiana". -- 50.231.49.42 (talk) 01:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Chicken parmesan" and "Parmesan chicken" are not equivalent; the word order is important. The former means exclusively the dish that is the topic of this article. oknazevad (talk) 02:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would this this "Chicken parmesan" item be considered "chicken parmigiana"? It has chicken and parmesan cheese in a wine and mushroom sauce, but no tomatoes. Or this "Chicken parmesan" item? 108.71.214.235 (talk) 03:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:USERG. Not a meaningful or reliable example. oknazevad (talk) 13:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. More common spelling by a large factor. oknazevad (talk) 02:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.