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On 18 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to China's last warning. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Mistranslation[edit]

The title of the article is given as an English translation of a Russian original in apposition. However, the Russian phrase actually translates to "the last Chinese warning." Although upon casual examination, these translations appear equivalent, they are very much not, because in Russian, just as in English, "last" can mean either "final" or "most recent," and thus the double-entendre in the original is not preserved in the more popularly prevailing translation. I am putting this on the Talk page and not in the article because it's admittedly WP:OR. 157.131.152.25 (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair observation, but this distinction doesn't appear to be significant. The Russian Wikipedia article Russian: Последнее китайское предупреждение appears to have the same meaning as the English article with its full context. -- Rauisuchian (talk) 05:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is the issue that a literal translation does not convey the same meaning in English? This could be added in the article, there isn't much content to begin with. The Impartial Truth (talk) 02:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible to work around this by just giving both names in the article, i.e "China's final warning", also known as "China's last warning". Ostensibly the first name (and thus article name) should be the name that is more recognisable in English, but currently all sources cited in the page are decidedly not in English. JaventheAldericky (talk) 02:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Contesting nonsense CSD[edit]

In regards to this nonsensical CSD tagging by Bursalavoro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · target logs · block log · list user · global contribs · central auth · Google) which doesn't even meet any CSD criteria, although I'm procedurally encouraged to not even bother responding, I'll take your bait anyway. This article, in its original form prior to translation, was written in 2006 and completely predates the existence of Reddit in its modern incarnation. You'll need to come up with a better reason to delete this article. Of course, if you're still unsatisfied with the current state of the enwiki article, specifically just for you, I can also translate the equivalent zhwiki article and even bring over the Renmin Ribao quotations it uses, would that satisfy you? --benlisquare_T•C•E 22:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing revert?[edit]

Hi @Dosafrog:, could you explain how this revert you made resulted in "less awkward language"? If anything, the revert has caused the article to become more awkward to read as it undid my cleanup efforts to the page. JaventheAldericky (talk) 04:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 January 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 11:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

China's final warning → China's last warning – Better translation. Per earlier talk page discussion, the current title that uses the word "final" does not reflect the fact that the Russian word "последнее" has a double meaning - it can either mean "final", or "most recent", similar to the English "last" (see English-Russian dictionary for proof). This is important, because it's where a lot of the humor comes from in the original joke.

I think a change like this is warranted because there is no WP:COMMONNAME translation in English. I am 99% sure the handful of uses of "China's final warning" in English sources from the last couple years are citogenesis after screenshots of the lead of this very Wikipedia article went viral and were used in memes, so we can't really count them. Given the lack of a common name, we should use the more clear and informative translation. HappyWith (talk) 22:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JaventheAlderick @The Impartial Truth @Rauisuchian Pinging editors who took part in the earlier discussion and may be interested in this one. HappyWith (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. 94rain ^Talk 23:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly disagree - the gist of the phrase is irony: the warning was final, then another warning is issued. meaning that the previous varnig was not actually final and the warning was futile. The phrase "Last warning" does not embody this irony. - Altenmann >talk 18:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The current name is more-or-less attested in sources such as [1], so I don't see a good reason to move here. Attempting to shoehorn a Russian "ironic joke" into English by making up our own translations isn't in the spirit of WP:V or IMHO. — Amakuru (talk) 15:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.