Talk:Chinaman's chance

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This reads like a dictionary entry[edit]

Does this article violate WP:NOTDICT? Dingolover6969 (talk) 06:54, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

The first reference link is broken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.73.69 (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Unfortunately I don't know how to use wikipedia, but the first reference link is simply a google search of the term. The reference doesn't support the claim that the Chinaman's chance idiom was first 'attested' in 1903. In fact, the painting with that name is from a decade previous. I recommend the claim simply be removed.172.58.102.137 (talk) 16:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dating[edit]

The article claims that the expression was coined in the mid-19th century in the context of the exploitation of Chinese immigrants in early California and on the western railroads. But the article gives no evidence for this. Google Books finds the first occurence of the term in 1903, decades later. The expression starts gaining popularity in around 1910 [1]. It is clear that Chinese immigrants were treated poorly as well documented in our article History of Chinese Americans, which isn't even referenced in this article. But just because they were treated poorly doesn't tell us that this particular expression dates to any particular period.

Also, two books are cited, but with no page references, which is not very helpful. --Macrakis (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Quotations[edit]

"They used to have a saying that one doesn't have a Chinaman's chance, but they don't say that anymore. They used that expression back when China was weak. But now since Mao Zedong has been successful in making China a strong country, the Chinese have more chance that anybody else, so this saying has become outdated. Well, just as it took a strong China to give a Chinese person respect wherever that Chinese person is found on this earth, when we get a strong Africa, the person of African origin or African ancestry will be respected any place on this earth, even in America, but he will not be respected in America until Africa is strong just as the Chinaman wasn't respected abroad until China became strong."

— Malcolm X: We Need a Strong Africa on YouTube, from Joe Rainey's "Listening Post" (Dec 29, 1964)^[1]

Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "The strength of a respected Africa". The Philadelphia Inquirer. February 21, 2012. Retrieved 24 June 2022.

[1] "The strength of a respected Africa". The Philadelphia Inquirer. February 21, 2012. Retrieved 24 June 2022.

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