Talk:Chingachgook

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Say what??[edit]

The pronunciation part of the "Etymology and pronunciation" seems rather less than helpful, to put it mildly.

"Chingachgook is derived from Lenape xinkwi xkuk, 'big snake', pronounced xiŋɡwixkuk"

Really? "Chingachgook" is pronounced "zing-wicks-kuk"? This seems a little unlikely. If true, why wouldn't Cooper have written it as "Zingwickuk", or perhaps "Zingwixkuk"?

Later we are told that the "adjective xinkwi" is "pronounced IPA". Huh? Is that that "ippa" ("i" as in "tip") or "eye-pah"? And if the conglomeration "xinkwi" is pronounced "eye-pah", wouldn't "xinwi xkuk" be pronounced "eye-pah-icks-kuk"?

From the spelling it looks like the pronunciation should be "Ching", as in "ring", "ach" as in "catch" (or maybe "crotch"), and "gook" as in "book" (or perhaps "kook").

Isn't it more likely that Cooper used the spelling he did because he intended "Ching" to rhyme with "ring" --- as most of his early readers would probably have assumed? The second "ch" being pronounced as the "ch" in "Bach" is not too unreasonable, but that would make the pronunciation "Ching-gah-kook" with perhaps only soft emphasis on the first "k".

The purpose of transliteration, after all, is to enable non-native speakers to at least approximate the native pronunciation, by providing clear referents in their (the non-native speakers') language. If nothing else, a (much) clearer explanation of the transliteration used in this section should be provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.176.249 (talk) 01:12, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reference no 3[edit]

I read the referenced text no.3 and fail to see how it has anything to do with the explanation behind the Great Serpent name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0C:5A80:3D00:400:3888:6BF1:5C89:A877 (talk) 17:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]