Talk:Chris Hani

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A white woman, of Afrikaner origin...[edit]

A white woman, of Afrikaner origin, risked her life so that we may know, and bring to justice, this assassin.

Who is this? What did she do? Do we have an article on her? 70.20.133.200 03:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it was hanis neighbour, who witnessed the murder and whose hint to the police lead to the arrest of the murderer. i've added that to the article--Severino 23:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ANC involvement?[edit]

Why is that Thabo Mbeki is linked to the assasination of Hani? If it is true, why should he defend himself by saying there is a plot to kill him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.100.197.217 (talk • contribs) 27 July 2007

??? --Severino 23:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

True, I heard many times while in SA about rumors telling that Hani's assassination could have been caused by a large plot involving current ANC leadership. Even if it's just rumors, it may be worth mentionning ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.81.250.190 (talk) 09:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)--86.196.151.100 (talk) 11:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)joel[reply]

"Even if it's just rumors, it may be worth mentionning ?" Not on Wikipedia, in my opinion.MrSativa (talk) 16:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Accomplices?[edit]

There were 2 Men in the South African paper between Circa 1994-1996 that were acclaimed to be acoplisses, they were on the cover but their identities wer hidden, Front page! What happened with these men?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.100.41 (talk • contribs) 3 August 2007

Assasination[edit]

His death was rulled to not be politicaly motivated by the TRC therefore he was murdered and not assasinated —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottykira (talk • contribs) 12:23, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree...
  • Plenty of reliable sources refer to it as an assassination.
  • I think it's clear that the killing was politically motivated in a general sense. The TRC found that the killers failed to prove that the killing was associated with a political objective as envisaged in the Promotion of National Unity and Reconciliation Act 34 of 1995 section 20 (2) and (3): "It is common course [sic] that the applicants were not acting on their express authority or orders from the Conservative Party which they purport to represent in assassinating Mr. Hani. The CP has never adopted, propagated or espoused a policy of violence or assassination of political opponents." Amnesty denied to Hani killers.
  • Even if it weren't political, it could still be an assassination. The Wikipedia article on assassination says that assassination is usually political, but doesn't have to be.
Zaian (talk) 19:39, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The killing of Chris Hani was clearly politically motivated. And as leader of Umkhonto we Sizwe and the South African Communist party, he was clearly a legitimate target. --197.228.25.7 (talk) 12:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IP from Czech Rep.[edit]

your edits constitute edit warring and violation of other wikipedia rules ( Wikipedia:Designated terrorist organizations ,Wikipedia:Manual of Style (words to watch)).--Severino (talk) 23:52, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Right Wing Plot"[edit]

I'm not a regular wiki editor, but I noticed what seems to be an inconsistency. The article states (under the heading "assassination") that 'Hani's assassination was part of a plot by the far-right in South Africa to derail the negotiations to end apartheid.' This seems to directly contradict the assertions under 'Conspiracy theories surrounding assassination'. Additionally, on closer examination the referenced source seems to imply the very opposite - that Hani's assassination was not in fact "ordered" by any other group or organisation. 197.87.114.247 (talk) 17:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, I might just edit it myself. It doesn't seem like this page is often frequented. Wish me luck! 197.87.114.247 (talk) 17:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

merge proposal (from Janusz Waluś)[edit]

I don't have a strong feeling about this, the previous attempt at an article on Janusz Waluś was unsourced and was probably redirected based on that fact rather than a discussion about whether a merge was appropriate. Do as you will. --j⚛e deckertalk 13:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I support the merge: Waluś has no independent notability beyond the assassination. --Slashme (talk) 15:59, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No objection against merging. But I'm against expanding the section about the assassination, which covers already the half of the article.--Severino (talk) 20:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Janusz Waluś with Chris Hani would not be the right thing to do. Perpetrators have a seperate page when:

  1. The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities.
  2. The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role WP:CRIME

The Walus page qualifies on both points. Wayne Jayes (talk) 16:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Wayne Jayes. I've removed the merge tag from the article (it was dated 2 years ago). Zaian (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Rhodesian Bush War"[edit]

It isn't really more neutral than "Zimbabwean Liberation War", it is the name given to the war from the one side (waring party). On Wikipedia, the war is dealt with under both names, actually three, also "2nd Chimurenga" leads to the same article. Also, "Rhodesia" was an unrecognised state. Until now, both names were mentioned, now only one. Eliminating the alternative term is definitely no improvement.

Also, it's not "abnormal" to refer to Rhodesia as "apartheid". The system of racial discrimination was similar to the one in ZA and the regimes were allies, as well as their opponents.--Severino (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tag "This section needs expansion..."[edit]

"...with: details of Chris Hani's hand in civilian bombings during Apartheid era". So let's discuss if there was an involvement of Hani in "civilian bombings", of the MK in the 1980s in ZA. Otherwise, this tag works like a coatrack article (WP:COAT) or like the spreading of a claim.--Severino (talk) 09:02, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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