Talk:City of Evil

Heavy Metal and Hard Rock are only important influences

I don't really know why people put always this album into the hard rock / heavy metal genres. It's obvious that influences of this genres are very big, but nobody seems to realize that these genres are not shown "purely" in this album, and that there are a lot of examples to don't categorize it as heavy metal or hard rock (AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath...). And hardcore influences are also pretty important as part of their past discography.

I think that a good categorization for this album would be something like "post-hardcore-influenced metal", as you know that post-hardcore don't necessarily use screams and there are a lot of post-hardcore bands whose progressive components on their music are very variable, like in the case of Avenged Sevenfold. Summarizing, I think putting "Post-Hardcore / Heavy Metal" as genres would define better this album. Eignatus (talk) 13:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but they are NOT Post-Hardcore! I listen to quite a bit of Post-Hardcore and A7X is and never was Post-Hardcore! A7X showed Speed metal signs on this album and I will try to get the next person that changes it BANNED! Here's the Genres of Each song, I'll only put Track numbers though to save Space. 1) Heavy Metal, 2) Heavy Metal, 3) Speed Metal, 4)Punk Metal/Hard Rock, 5) Speed Metal, 6) Hard Rock/Power Ballad, 7) Hard Rock, 8) Speed Metal, 9) Speed Metal/Hard Rock, 10) Hard Rock, 11) Speed Metal. Respond to this if you think differently.Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 01:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

In addition, I think this page shoud be protected and only edited by moderators after the majority speak here. People only edit and write stupid (or not) things and no one agrees with each other (someone wrote that A7X were screamo, WTF). Eignatus (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Everything from Track 6 (Seize the Day) and on is progressive metal, and hard rock. This isn't just basic heavy metal. It should be appropriately be labeled heavy metal, hard rock, and progressive metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.107.16 (talk) 00:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it really isn't progressive metal. Sorry, but just no. Prophaniti (talk) 17:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

No, you're wrong. "Seize the Day", "Sidewinder", "The Wicked End", "Strength of the World", "Betrayed", "M.I.A." have styles like progressive metal. Avenged Sevenfold, now that album is mostly heavy metal ("Brompton Cocktail", "Dear God", etc.), but this here is much more slow paced. The defintion of "progressive metal" is complex instrumentals that are usually longer than average songs—Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalKommandant (talk • contribs) 17:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

If you think the later half of City of Evil is intricate and "complex", you have a lot to learn. Dream Theater, Meshuggah, Opeth, Symphony X, those are progressive metal bands, and those are examples of technical and complex playing. City of Evil may be more complex than their previous works, but that doesn't mean it suddenly counts as "progressive metal". In addition, odd time signatures are another feature of the genre that this album lacks. Song length doesn't inherently mean anything. Prophaniti (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my bad. I forgot the #1 rule about music: Bands aren't allowed to have albums, even concept albums, outside their genre borders; and experimental music they have, even though it's a different genre, it will still be incorrectly labeled the band's default genre. (Earlier this year this page still had "metalcore" upon it.) We have to either call an Avenged Sevenfold metalcore, heavy metal, or hard rock... or otherwise, it's wrong. Sounds like Disturbed's fan base... —Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalKommandant (talk • contribs) 19:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

There's no need to be facetious. City of Evil is actually the only full album of theirs I have, with the odd scattered song from elsewhere. So no, I'm not judging them on any preconceived notions about the band and their genre. All I'm saying is City of Evil, this album, does not qualify as progressive metal, not even in part. You could call it in part metal, but not progressive metal.

And actually, the genuine #1 rule is sources, something still missing from the genre. Find a reliable one of those that calls it progressive metal, and you'll have a case. But the only source I know of that calls them hardcore at all is allmusic. And according to that the album is also Emo. So I wouldn't start bringing up #1 rules if I were you, unless you want that added to the info box. Prophaniti (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

To any dumbass reviewer, anything metal is emo. Well, someone edited it and just put "alternative" with bad spacing, as well since yesterday.. -MetalKommandant (talk) 20:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

This is reasonable. Just "heavy metal" describes this album. A number of tracks portray sort of speed/power blend.Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 01:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Whoever keeps on changing the genre to Post-Harcore Please realise that wikipedia has deemed Allmusic as an unreliable source for most genres! And this does not fit into the definition of Post-Hardcore! And here's some characteristics of Speed Metal! Fast tempos, Semi-Complex guitar solos and single notes being repeated in riffs. Do you not find all of these on city of evil? Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 19:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I dont think it's Speed Metal at all, just Heavy metal in my opinion there are some hard rock style songs on it like Seize The Day but that style didnt particularly surface until their self titled album. 217.42.183.59 (talk) 20:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

After listening to more music, This Album seems like A blend of Power metal and Glam metal. With some Heavy Metal songs like the first two tracks. Does This Work? BlueGoat (talk) 14:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Anyone? ANSWER ME DAMN IT!!! BlueGoat (talk) 14:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that it's Tibetan Goat Herder Pop. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

The Wicked End

IT SAMPLES EDWARD SCISSORHANDS!!! Should I mention that Mutlee (talk) 08:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Prove it Xanthic-Ztk (talk) 05:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Sell-outs (I'm not calling them sell-outs, I'm commenting on the bit about people who are.)

"This new style has created controversy between older fans; some labeling the band as sell-outs due to their new, more mainstream sound. On the other hand, the album has earned the band many newer fans that they could not have had with their older sound."

I think we could re word that a bit. It pretty much sounds like "While some people call them sell-outs for their more mainstream sound, they have aquired new success and fans that they wouldn't have had with their older sound." To someone who is just reading the article, and hasn't heard their albums, it really does make them out to be sell-outs. The band have commented on it several times in interviews and have pretty much said that they just wanted to change, which is what bands do. The main problem older fans had was that there was no screaming. This is mentioned in several articles and you would think it would be futher commented on here, but there is no mention of it what so ever.

Also, Allmusic gave it a 3.5/5, not a 4.5/5 Xanthic-Ztk (talk) 01:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Allmusic is now belly up on the scrap heap of music sites on the web for what that's worth as a source. Certainly can't be verified anymore. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 19:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

"NOTE : The rev has passed away, RIP the Rev."

Sure it sucks that the dude is dead, but putting "RIP the Rev" seems to be showing bias and looks unprofessional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.45.118.179 (talk) 07:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Genre

What's with the threatening note in the genre tag of the infobox, and why should I obey it? Saturn-78 (talk) 22:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Page Protection

Glancing through these Avenged Sevenfold album pages, it appears that there are consistent edit wars regarding spurious information, particularly with regards to songwriting contributions. It might be an idea for a regular Wikipedian who knows how to put protection on these pages to do so, as there is a lack of uniformity and a lack of citations with regards to this so-called “information”, both of which are a concern on this website. 109.150.162.237 (talk) 19:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

At the moment the page for Burn it Down does not pass the notability criteria as set out in WP:SONGS. There is only one reference and no listing of chart entry. The article described the song in general terms and it has not won any awards or has been covered by other notable artists. It should simply be merged with this page. Karst (talk) 10:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

It's been five months and nothing has happened. It think what we should do is bring the single cover art and use it somewhere on this page before we redirect it. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 15:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: feel free to proceed with that. Karst 20:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed and  Done Klbrain (talk) 14:20, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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