Talk:Clay Jenkins

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A fact from Clay Jenkins appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 April 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that county judge Clay Jenkins did not wear PPE while interacting with the family of a patient with Ebola virus disease, to show that asymptomatic individuals cannot spread the disease?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clay Jenkins.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins visited the family of Thomas Eric Duncan without PPE to prove that Ebola virus disease cannot be contracted from asymptomatic individuals? Source:Mr. Jenkins drove Mr. Duncan’s fiancée, Louise Troh, and three others from their contaminated apartment to their new temporary home in a county-owned Ford Explorer. He did so without protective gear, wearing, as he pointed out to reporters, the same dress shirt to a news conference that he wore in the vehicle.
- ALT1:... that County Judge Clay Jenkins did not wear PPE when interacting with the family of an Ebola virus disease patient to show that people without symptoms cannot spread the disease?

Reviewed: Since this is my first DYK nom, I think I'm exempt. If not let me know please!

Created by Bait30 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Bait30 and welcome to DYK. I will review this nomination. epicgenius (talk) 17:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall:

epicgenius (talk) 17:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Birth records[edit]

Just because birth records are used in other sources doesn’t mean it’s correct to use them. From WP:BLPPRIMARY, Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 17:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's accurate. He's a public figure. He's public said his age, when his birthday is and where he was born in interviews. This isn't new information. Cladeal832 (talk) 00:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cladeal832: Where has he said his age? I saw the birthday thing because I also follow him on Twitter. But I honestly cannot find any secondary sources that support his age/birth year. If you have it, please add the citation. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 06:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

C'mon. It's accurate. Why are you making this fuss. Cladeal832 (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's literally Wikipedia policy. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The policy you are citing is ORIGINAL research. It's online. ANYBODY can read, it's not original to me where I didn't talk to his mother or I didn't go to the county clerk and get his birth certificate.Cladeal832 (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems we're just going back and forth on this. I'm gonna try and find an admin who's more knowledgeable on WP:BLP issues to resolve this dispute. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bait30 is correct, we are not allowed to reference people's biographical data to primary source civil records in genealogy databases. If Clay Jenkins has really stated his age and birthdate in interviews, then use those interviews as your sources for his age and birthdate — but you are not allowed to use FamilySearch. Bearcat (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat, Cladeal832 added it back again. I'm getting WP:IDHT vibes right now. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 20:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's in several interviews. Here, quote, "In 1971, when he was 7 years old," http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2014/october/who-is-dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins/ Cladeal832 (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I won't revert, but I'm pretty sure that's still WP:SYNTHESIS. Based on {{birth based on age as of date}} if he was 7 y/o in 1971, he could've either been born 1963 or 1964. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 20:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You know he was born on March 26th from twitter.com. You've admitted that already. Also it's one thing to be against a source in the article, but you know he was born on March 26, 1964 so feigning personal ignorance on that fact is odd. Cladeal832 (talk) 20:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Solved everyone's problems: This is a reliable source with his entire birth date. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't saying I don't believe you. I was just trying to show an example of why those sources shouldn't be used. But it doesn't matter since Eagles247 found a secondary source. Thanks for remaining civil throughout the discussion. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 21:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]