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max. gust speed wrong, winter sunshine 5hrs a day is ludicrously high - nowhere more than about 2. 90 rain days absurdly low

5 hours a day is definitely wrong. I don't see the problem with 90 days of rain in sheltered eastern parts though. Marky-Son 13:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


Pretty well all of this article is badly unsourced. But especially the climate change bit, which I'm not sure I even believe. 13:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've been bold and cut the lot, since no sources exist for any of it William M. Connolley 19:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone want to incorporate the fun school sentence "warm wet winds from the west in winter"? Worth a mention. --Chrisjwowen 14:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

tornadoes/contradiction

This statement :

"Relative to its land area, the United Kingdom has more reported tornados than any other country (around 33 per year), excluding the Netherlands, although most are minor."

is contradicted on the page for tornadoes :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado

"Tornadoes do occur throughout the world as well; the most tornado-prone region of the world (outside North America), as measured by number of reported tornadoes per unit area, is the Netherlands, followed by the United Kingdom (especially England)."

The contradiction being the phrase "(outside North America)".

I'm not sure if this is simply a gramatical error or not.

Can someone clarify?

Max.

Rename as "Climate of Great Britain" or "Climate of the British Isles"?

Does anyone else feel it's a bit artificial for the article to be about the climate of the UK? Climate doesn't respect borders that are pretty arbitrary such as between Northern Ireland and the Republic, so why should this article cover the UK and only the UK? So I think the article should be renamed:

Any comments/ideas/suggestions? --A bit iffy 11:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes! I was thinking exactly the same thing. This is an article about the climate of the British Isles (a geographical entity) and not the United Kingdom (a political entity) which only happens to be mostly located in the British Isles, but has many parts elsewhere in the world. RPTB1 12:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi. This page seems to have been renamed and then all references to UK replaced with references to BI by a crude search and replace. Worse, the content is sufficiently vague that it could be referring to almost anywhere in NW Europe. Also, UK + Ireland ≠ British Isles, but whoever renamed the page seems to be unaware of that. Also, for Rptb1's reference, the UK doesn't have "many parts elsewhere". There are places that are related to the UK, but it's not like France, which does have "parts elsewhere". This page should be renamed to "Climate of Great Britain" if it's to be geographical and "Climate of the UK" if it is be political. As it stands the fact of the crude search and replace shows in the quality of the article. Hughsheehy 13:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The point about having this page as the UK is that data can be found that relates to the UK, at the Met Office. There is not weather service devoted to Great Britain or Ireland, but there are separate services for the UK and ROI. Yes, climate does not observe national borders, but information on it does. If this article is going to have reliable referenced content, then it must be based on the same areas that we have data for. I know the political option is not the best, but it is the only viable option on an encyclopaedia. So that this highly unreferenced article can be improved, I moved it back to Climate of the United Kingdom as per discussion below. Rossenglish 14:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Warm to hot summers?!?

Temperature: "Generally the UK has mild to cool winters and warm to hot summers with moderate variation in temperature throughout the year." Averages about 15-18ºC cannot be regarded as "warm to hot". What about Phoenix, Arizona?

I wouldn't describe Phoenix summers as warm to hot, I'd describe them as extremely hot, so I don't see what the problem is there. Daytime temperatures are almost always warm (20C+) and occasionally (increasingly so) hot in most of England and part of Wales during the summer. Conditions that are t-shirt weather cannot be described as anything less than warm. Marky-Son 04:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced content

As the tag says, after reading this article I find it amazing that it has deteriorated to this extent. So much of the facts in the sections are completely made up, and very little of the content is referenced. Even with a basic knowledge of the climate of the British Isles it is easy to see that most of this is nonsense; a quick look at the Met Office UK climate pages shows up so many exaggerations and errors. Any reliable climate data that can replace figures quoted in this article chould be changed accordingly with references. There is a lot to replace though on this article. Rossenglish 21:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking through this article whilst editing, I have also noticed that a lot of the text is plagiarised from the Met Office England Climate page, [1] although strangely some of the figures copied from this source have been altered. Rossenglish 22:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Which also supports that this page is basically a UK page, not a British Isles article. There was a renaming a while back that was accompanied by a "search and replace" in the text turning all the references to the UK into references to British Isles. The page needs to be renamed back to UK and then sorted out. Hughsheehy 22:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I completely agree - there is no Ireland specific content here. If I have time (there is a lot to do), I will compare the article to Met Office pages and convert all plagiarised areas into original prose. A lot of the content has just been copied and tweaked, so it isn't in the normal encyclopaedic format- it is quite easy to spot. Rossenglish 09:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed the 'search and replace' thing whilst editing; there are many instances of 'its climate' (referring to the UK) rather than the correct 'their climate' (British Isles).
One can get UK climate averages and ROI climate averages, but not both combined. If there was a British Isles weather service, than maybe this current set up would work, but at the moment, it is just lumping two topics together in my books. It detracts editors away from improving the content on the UK and Ireland, which would be much more accurate and specific on separate articles. I would wholeheartedly support moving this page to Climate of the United Kingdom, and creating a separate Climate of Ireland page - with data drawn from Met Eireann, and any relevant info from here moved across. Rossenglish 14:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Right..I'll tell you what...I'll make a Climate of Ireland page, although it'll be next week earliest. Can you (Rossenglish) do the renaming/moving here in the meantime? There's little dissenting opinion on this talk page and we seem to both agree - as well as previous editors - that it's the right thing to do. Hughsheehy 11:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I could do it now - I'll go through the entire article (properly this time!) and change all sentences to refer to the UK. If I find any Ireland specific content than I'll save it somewhere. Then I'll move the page a bit later. Rossenglish 12:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
The article has been modified, and the page has now been moved to Climate of the United Kingdom. Rossenglish 13:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I have fixed all double redirects now too. Good luck with the Climate of Ireland page Hughsheehy =) Rossenglish 13:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I've tagged the section on months as possibly original research. It has no citations and seems to be something someone has made up on their own. Matthewcgirling (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:40, 16 April 2012 (UTC).

Summer 2007 floods

some sections need tto be updated to include info on the summer 2007 floods. eg. the "most rainfall record" was broken.

The "most rainfall" for what period? Marky-Son 11:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

According to UK Met Office, June and also July 2007 broke the records for the wettest June and July (although the data cover only the last 95 years) in England and Wales. In addition the summer period (June to August) was also the wettest (average 342.2mm) since the data series began, breaking a record that has stood since 1927. For the UK as a whole, June 2007 was the wettest on record but the summer as a whole just fell 1.3mm short of the current record set in 1956 (358.4mm). --AssegaiAli (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes?

All the data in this article is in prose form. It would be a lot clearer if the climates of different regions of the UK could be summarised in table/chart form. Comparisons between the regions, and with other climates around the world, could then be drawn more easily. I'm thinking the regions section could be expanded to include something like this. Each chart/table could have a paragraph summarising the main points, e.g Scotland has cooler summers than England etc.

Here's one way it could be done. I drew the colours from the standard ones they use in the Template:Infobox Weather tables, so that comparisons can be drawn with all articles that use that infobox. The info came from the regional averages on the Met Office site:–

England Climate Averages
Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Average max. temperature °C (°F) 6.6
(43.9) 		6.9
(44.4) 		9.3
(48.7) 		11.7
(53.1) 		15.4
(59.7) 		18.1
(64.6) 		20.6
(69.1) 		20.5
(68.9) 		17.5
(63.5) 		13.6
(56.5) 		9.5
(49.1) 		7.4
(45.3) 		13.1
(55.6)
Average min. temperature °C (°F) 1.1
(34.0) 		1.0
(33.8) 		2.4
(36.3) 		3.6
(38.5) 		6.3
(43.3) 		9.1
(48.4) 		11.4
(52.5) 		11.2
(52.2) 		9.3
(48.7) 		6.6
(33.1) 		3.5
(38.3) 		2.0
(35.6) 		5.6
(42.1)
Sunshine
hours 		50.5 67.7 102.5 145.2 189.9 179.4 192.8 184.1 135.0 101.3 65.2 43.9 1457.4
Rainfall
mm (inches) 		84.2
(3.3) 		60.1
(2.4) 		66.5
(2.6) 		56.8
(2.2) 		55.9
(2.2) 		62.9
(2.5) 		54.1
(2.1) 		66.7
(2.6) 		73.3
(2.9) 		83.6
(3.3) 		83.5
(3.3) 		90.4
(3.6) 		838.0
(44.3)
Rainfall >= 1 mm
days 		13.4 10.4 12.1 10.1 9.8 9.8 8.5 9.4 10.2 11.8 12.5 13.1 131.2
Source: Met Office[1] (1971–2000 averages)</ref>
  1. ^ "England 1971-2000 averages". Met Office. 2001. Retrieved 2007-08-14. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

I reckon one each for England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales would be adequate - the data is there on the Met Office site. They also have data from regions like S England, East Anglia etc, but that would probably be too much information!, so I think just four tables would be best.

What does everyone else think? Should we have this sort of thing? Should we use tables or charts? And should we stick to the four constituent countries or try something else? Rossenglish 11:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks seriously good. 4 should be enough. Hughsheehy 13:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I added the extended 'Regions' section with climate tables in. It is also on my sandbox page. If something doesn't look or sound right, or if I missed something, then edit away or ask me ;) Rossenglish 11:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Temperature scale

There is a very handy little template for easily showing °F for our cousins over the water and readers from a certain generation. I've used it in the climate section in the UK article. Would it be courteous to use it here as well? ᴀᴊᴋɢᴏʀᴅᴏɴ«» 17:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is quite a nice template. I agree it could be handy for those who understand Fahrenheit better. Rossenglish 17:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I see you've gone and done it, Rossenglish.
I must say, that's very big of you considering the contents of your user page! :) Personally, I think the more often that °F is shown alongside °C, the more opportunity it gives Americans and older Brits to compare the two and become familiar with °C. Excellent. ᴀᴊᴋɢᴏʀᴅᴏɴ«» 21:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Ah yes my user page. My opinions are for in an ideal world, but until such a time, conversions are necessary to allow familiarity. Although there could come a point where conversion hinders familiarity, if people still 'think' in imperial if it is given. Rossenglish 13:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. My French wife still thinks in francs - euros mean nothing to her - largely down to much still being marked up in old money! ᴀᴊᴋɢᴏʀᴅᴏɴ«» 13:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Take care when using the template not to apply it to temperature intervals. Eg the intro quoted the south of the country being "10-15 °C (50-59 °F)" warmer than the north. An interval of 10 °C is 18 °F, not 50°F! 143.252.80.100 (talk) 10:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Rainfall in recent years

Removed statement that 2006 saw worst drought period on record. [[2]] shows it's not. Also the suporting statements in linked BBC article very poor journalism. Context of 'drought' also needs to be revisited.Fremsley (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Title headline of 'ghost page'

I am surprised that this is even an issue, as I believe people are trying to take this seriously. I think there are two pages listed, as I opened a new browser and it did not come up, but when I searched for it, there is a page titled "Climate of the United Kingdom" found at this copied URL- 

   <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_the_United_Kingdom>

and the headline reads... "They Have Bad Teeth". How ridiculous, offensive, and unhelpful. Need it be explained why this is stupid? Please, someone with the know-how, change it.

P.S. I must clarify... The problem only shows itself when I search 'UK weather' and then follow the hyperlinks in the alphabetic listing to 'Climate of the United Kingdom'. Not sure why though...

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.247.87.53 (talk) 13:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Tresco Image

I suggest that and the text should be removed. In no way could it "pass for an island of the Mediterranean". The vegetation is very Northern European and many places in the Outer Hebrides also have white sand and turqouise in the water like that. In fact it could much more easily pass for an island in the Hebrides than a Mediterranean island. Mediterranean would be much more parched and have a completely different kind of flora. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impulsion (talk • contribs) 10:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

UK Thunder Frequency

Although the Met Office's climate maps of the UK are generally excellent, the thunder frequency one is over-http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_of_the_United_Kingdom&action=editgeneralised. The MetO used to have an ATD analysis of thunder frequency up on the web which gave a more detailed account of UK thunder frequency but they took it down from the public site, presumably either because it only covered 1990-97 or might be commercially sensitive. The maps up on the MetO site understate the mean annual thunder frequency over many parts of western Britain, particularly western Scotland where mean annual thunder frequency locally exceeds 10 days due to the effects of uplift in unstable winter half-year westerly airflows. Thus although the southeast & East Anglia are indeed the most thunder-prone areas of Britain, the statement that western Scotland has the lowest thunder frequency with around 3 days per year- even though it is supported by the maps- is probably incorrect. Northern Ireland also has slightly more thunderstorms than the map suggests- stats for Belfast suggest a mean annual frequency of nearer 6 or 7 days.

Trouble is, I don't think there's any way around this one because the UK Met Office is the only reputable source I can find that goes into detail on UK thunder frequency. Tws45 (talk) 19:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Introductory paragraph

Struck by the paucity of the introductory paragraph. Brief stab at some corrections, it really needed it. Realise that dry vs moist may be as simplistic as hot vs cold, but at least the dominant meteorological mechanism is now prominent. Fremsley (talk) 22:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Rainfall and temperature maps for the UK

I'm astonished to find these are missing. Something like this rainfall map would be good, but I have no idea how to create one. The Met Office data is there so if anyone has the graphics skills to generate maps, please go ahead. --Chris Jefferies (talk) 12:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


National boundaries

I'm just wondering why the national boundaries of the "home nations" of the UK are felt to be the most relevant way to split the structure article? The air and ocean currents know not of these... Govynn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC).

1981-2010 UK climate averages

Yesterday, Friday 25 August, the Met Office published the 1981-2010 climate averages. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ hrf (talk) 01:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Dispute over record high temperature

I read that there is a dispute about the 38.5C recorded in Faversham, Kent. This article: https://forum.netweather.tv/topic/73530-what-is-the-coldest-june-day-in-london/ suggests that the official record is 38.1C, recorded at Kew Gardens, London on the same day. I'll tweet the Met Office to see what they say about it 151.231.170.241 (talk) 15:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

The page you link to is not an article, it's a forum. Forums do not count as reliable sources for Wikipedia articles. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:47, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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i have changed 19.6 to 19.7 C on the climate box to match the source. i added more sourced content. but a user keeps reverting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.224.44.208 (talk) 13:33, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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Sunshine Hours Meaning

So the information on the sunshine hours just seems wrong, based on December getting about 47 hours of sunshine on average equates to approximately 1.4 hours a day which I know is wrong just from experience Winter days are short but not that short. just googling sunrise and set times shows this as completely wrong, and googling the shortest days shows 7 hours of sunlight.. I think this is from poor definitions being used rather than anything else. Given its taken from the met office the numbers are likely right (But the link seems to have expired so I cant check the numbers) but labeling them as mean monthly sunshine hours seems wrong. as that suggests the average amount of time the sun shines each month. as such a better description of what the data actually means is likely required just so that the numbers make logical sense. anyone able to check this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.159.132.48 (talk) 11:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

47 hours of sun, not daylight. There are many cloudy hours 2A02:C7F:C82D:FD00:C451:E8F5:56FC:93A2 (talk) 18:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2019

Change Wales maximum temperature for February from 20.6 to 20.8 degC (Porthmadog 26th Feb 2019) 2001:630:53:B75:BD16:8F7E:17E5:EC8E (talk) 18:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Why? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Because its a new record 2A02:C7F:C82D:FD00:C451:E8F5:56FC:93A2 (talk) 18:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to a reliable source indicating such? Roadguy2 (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

[1] 2A02:C7F:C82D:FD00:C451:E8F5:56FC:93A2 (talk) 18:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Can you also change the sections to say that the record has been broken in Wales, England and Scotland, and use UK instead of England for England. 2A02:C7F:C82D:FD00:C451:E8F5:56FC:93A2 (talk) 18:44, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

That looks like a fact and a good source. But the existing climate data for Wales seems to be sourced by this? Surely this can't be right? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-beats-warmest-ever-winter-15889988

Data conflict

I notice that the date given for the absolute maximum temperature record (Faversham in August) is different in two sections of the document. MapReader (talk) 07:10, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Dispute over Achfary temperature record

It says here https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/summaries/index that The UK monthly extremes were as follows: A maximum temperature of 18.7 °C was recorded at Achfary (Sutherland) on the 28th. It does not mention that it is provisional.2A00:23C5:EEA6:2200:7468:FE01:7310:7AE0 (talk) 16:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Fahrenheit conversion

The Fahrenheit conversion of 40.2 C is not correct. 42.111.29.63 (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 12 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Climate of the United Kingdom → Climate of Great Britain – Geographically it makes sense to have an article about the climate of the island of Great Britain. As well as we already have an article Geology of Great Britain and a similar all-Ireland article Climate of Ireland. What are your opinions? 'Climate of the United Kingdom' should then redirect to the United Kingdom#Climate. Privybst (talk) 13:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 19:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Comment: Same comment as here except :s/Geography/Climate/g. YorkshireExpat (talk) 19:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
@YorkshireExpat but climate belongs to physical geography rather than political geography, doesn't it? Privybst (talk) 13:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Not if you're looking at weather records, for example. YorkshireExpat (talk) 13:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support esp. since the British Overseas Territories are part of the UK and have vastly different climates -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 05:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment perhaps something should be written for the British Isles... if someone wants N.I., then they could also add Man, Channel Islands, etc. -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 05:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per nom and 65...226.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Shwcz (talk) 21:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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This is ridiculous - all the sources talk of records and averages in the UK - as YorkshireExpat pointed out above. In starting to edit the moved article to refer to GB instead of the UK, I find myself about to delete vast sections that rely on data pertaining to the UK, and from which nothing can be concluded about GB (e.g. "The warmest autumn on record was in 2006 with a mean temperature of 11.35C. Other notable warm autumns include 1945, 1949, 1959, 1978, 1995, 1999, 2001, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2014 and 2021. The coldest autumn on record was in 1887 with a mean temperature of 6.97C. Other notable cold autumns have included 1919, 1922, 1923, 1925, 1952, 1974 and most recently in 1993.(ref: [3])". I think the move needs serious reconsideration - there's no evidence any of the support voters above considered the implications. ----Pontificalibus 07:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 3 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. As raised in the discussion, this article is about the the climate of both Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which goes by United Kingdom per WP:COMMONAME. Also noted in the discusison is that there is no sources to seperate Great Britain's data from Nothern Ireland's. Additionally emphasised in the discussion, Falknds, Gibraltar, etc are British Overseas Territories and are aren't techinically part of the United Kingdom. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Climate of Great Britain → Climate of the United Kingdom – The recent move should be reverted as the discussion failed to properly consider the most important reason for titling this page "Climate of the United Kingdom" - that data on weather and climate is ultimately provided by the national weather service for the UK: The Met Office. Temperature records, average rainfall etc are all UK figures. It's not possible to construct anywhere near as comprehensive an article on Climate of the Great Britain because the sources aren't available. Also there is no official consensus on what Great Britain actually consists of. This was discussed at the top of this talk page in 2007 (content 1) and 2 and the recent move discussion failed to consider any of those points or the 2007 move from Great Britain to United Kingdom which has remained stable for 15 years. I tried revising the article to fit the new title but it's just not feasible.----Pontificalibus 20:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

  • Except it isn't the climate of the United Kingdom. Where are the Falklands in all that data? The map image doesn't show the British Virgin Islands. -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 22:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
    • There is the Climate of the European United Kingdom, since this is only about the portion of the UK in Europe (like European France, ie. Metropolitan France, as a counterpart example which should also distinguish between the part in Europe and parts elsewhere) -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 22:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
      • Speedy procedural close this should have been opened at WP:MRV and not a new move request, as excessive renomination speed to revert a prior move. A new move discussion about reverting should not open within 3 months, so no new discussion until the new year. -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 22:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
        • ABSOLUTELY NOT. This would get laughed out of WP:MRV because there was nothing wrong procedurally with the close. A re-request is the only reasonable thing. Red Slash 03:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
    These entities aren't technically part of the United Kingdom. The are British overseas territories. YorkshireExpat (talk) 08:20, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
    • If we look at the Great Britain article, you'll see that it is the island which consists of Wales, England and Scotland. Northern Ireland is not part of the article but it is part of this climate article. It would have made sense for the article to return to Climate of the United Kingdom per nom or perhaps Climate of Great Britain and Northern Ireland since the article covers both these areas without additional islands like the Falklands, Gibraltar etc.. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 08:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
      Which are British overseas territories per above. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 08:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, this article is about the climate of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and we don't have a great term for that. So, I'll bite the bullet and suggest move to Climate of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Red Slash 17:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    @Red Slash There is a name for that! It's called the United Kingdom. YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
We can call it Climate of the United Kingdom per WP:COMMONNAME AND per all reliable sources - the Met Office weather records "for the United Kingdom" obviously don't include any British overseas territories, they don't even need to specify that becuase it's common sense, and so it should be for us.----Pontificalibus 16:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Agree with that response. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 19:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Does "United Kingdom" only include England, Scotland, Wales and NI? Red Slash 03:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
@Red Slash Yes! YorkshireExpat (talk) 11:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Note If people aren't going to start adding Support votes to this, someone will need to do the work of deleting most of the current article to comply with the Great Britain title, because the vast majority of references are to UK averages from which nothing can be concluded about Great Britain, as the Northern Ireland component of such data cannot be stripped out. As it stands the current title is simply misleading, because the existing article is about the UK. ----Pontificalibus 13:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per sources given in the article and the Met Office. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wettest place

I've tweaked the detail around Crib Goch but it remains unsatisfactory. One of the refs was supposedly The Independent but was linked to an article in the Telegraph where the rainfall figure (given in inches) differed very slightly from that in the article and for which an inappropriately precise metric equivalent was given. The Times article referenced is no longer linked - can it be retrieved - did it contain the ref to the 30 year period perhaps? There are figures at https://www.nature.com/articles/140540a0 which suggest elsewhere than Crib Goch as the wettest. thanks Geopersona (talk) 07:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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