Talk:Clown (Mariah Carey song)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Edge3 (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that "Clown" is an answer song in which Mariah Carey responds to Eminem's comments about their relationship in "Superman"? Source: Stephens, Vincent (2005). "Pop Goes the Rapper: A Close Reading of Eminem's Genderphobia". Popular Music. 24 (1): 27–28. doi:10.1017/S0261143004000261. JSTOR 3877592. S2CID 45080116. ProQuest 195174771.
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Created by Heartfox (talk). Self-nominated at 20:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Clown (Mariah Carey song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Placeholder: I'll review this nomination soon.--NØ 13:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• @MaranoFan: Are you still planning to review this nomination? It has been over a month since your comment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
• New reviewer needed; it's been over a month and a half since the initial post and a full seven days since the subsequent ping. Striking the original "placeholder". Thank you to whoever takes this on. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

New enough, long enough. Hook short enough and sourced (as is every paragraph). No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. Appears to be your second DYK; you get three further credits. Good to go.--Launchballer 11:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: MaranoFan (talk · contribs) 13:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this article against the good article criteria soon.--NØ 13:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 04:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

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   b. (citations to reliable sources):

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   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

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@Heartfox: @MaranoFan: I am seeing that there is an active GAN opened since May. Might you please explain? Ippantekina (talk) 04:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

There were no comments in two weeks so I closed it as per WP:GAN/I#N4a. Heartfox (talk) 15:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Overall a well-written article, but I do have a few suggestions re the prose:

• "Clown" is an answer song that addresses comments rapper Eminem made about her in the media and on The Eminem Show (2002) track "Superman" → "Clown" is an answer song to the comments that rapper Eminem made about Carey in the media and on the 2022 track "Superman"
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• and "The Night I Fell in Love" by the Pet Shop Boys → the Pet Shop Boys' "The Night I Feel in Love" to make it consistent
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• Also consider adding release years to the said songs
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• "Carey performed "Clown" in a circus-themed segment during the 2003–2004 Charmbracelet World Tour while two puppeteers controlled an Eminem look-alike on stage." → On the Charmbracelet World Tour, Carey performed... while...
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• "while promoting the project" → promoting the album
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• "It features background vocals by Carey and Trey Lorenz" → The song features
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• I wouldn't cite the lyrics from the booklet (WP:NOTLYRICS) unless they were quoted and discussed by the scholarly sources/reviews
  • I cut down on the lyrics
• "a worthy exception to the album's formula" any more context as to what "formula" means here?
  • Added a note and changed "formula" to "theme"
• Not sure if "juxtaposed with" is the right wording... I'd just use "compared to"
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• Rest of prose looks good! Kudos to the scholarly sources that you found :) Ippantekina (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the very helpful comments, Ippantekina. Heartfox (talk) 18:09, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Nice work, Heartfox. I did a quick spotcheck and no issues turned out. Sourcing is appropriately formatted. The article looks ready for a GA :) Passing-- Ippantekina (talk) 07:12, 26 June 2023 (UTC)