Talk:Comic Relief Does Fame Academy

Song table Proposal

The following discussion is an archived outcome of a survey for the proposition outlined below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made at the lower sections of this discussion page. No further edits should be made to this survey.

By Peteb16 15:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Proposal: I'd like to propose the following table as a replacement for the current growing list.
Rationale: By the final the list will become too big for the article and messy to look at.

Proposed songs table

	Launch	Day 1	Day 2	Day 3	Day 4	Day 5	Day 6	Day 7	Day 8	Day 9	Final
Tara Palmer-Tomkinson	I'm Still Standing	Clocks	Jolene	Another Suitcase in Another Hall	The Tide is High	These Boots Are Made for Walking	Will You Love Me Tomorrow	Somewhere Only We Know	Rainy Days and Mondays	Penny Lane	These Boots Are Made for Walking
						It Don't Mean a Thing (group)	Daydream Believer (group)	Take Your Mama (group)	Sometimes When We Touch (duet)	Back for Good (duet)
Tricia Penrose	Rescue Me	Save the Best for Last	What's Love Got to Do with It?	If I Can't Have You	Road Rage	I'll Never Fall in Love Again	If I Ain't Got You	Feels Like I'm in Love	Chains	Too Lost in You	If I Can't Have You
									Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now (duet)
						It Don't Mean a Thing (group)	You Get What You Give (group)	Dance the Night Away (group)	It's Not That Easy (group) †	Islands in the Stream (duet)
Shaun Williamson	Lately	In the Midnight Hour	You Give Me Something	My Heart Will Go On	Drift Away	That's Amore	(Something Inside) So Strong	Walking in Memphis	Sitting in the Back Row of the Movies	Chasing Cars	Expelled (Day 9)
									Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now (duet)
						Puttin' on the Ritz (group)	Daydream Believer (group)	Take Your Mama (group)	It's Not That Easy (group) †	Islands in the Stream (duet)
Colin Murray	Teenage Kicks	Always on My Mind	Sweet Caroline	Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head	Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)	Love and Marriage	Blueberry Hill	Ring of Fire	Unchained Melody	The Boys Are Back in Town	Expelled (Day 9)
									Sometimes When We Touch (duet)
						Puttin' on the Ritz (group)	You Get What You Give (group)	Dance the Night Away (group)	It's Not That Easy (group) †	Back for Good (duet)
Ray Stubbs	Make Me Smile (Come Up and See Me)	Going Underground	Wonderwall	Pinball Wizard	Lola	Strangers in the Night	The Sweetest Thing	Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick	Let's Work Together	Expelled (Day 8)
						Puttin' on the Ritz (group)	You Get What You Give (group)	Dance the Night Away (group)
Angellica Bell	Superstar	Better the Devil You Know	Like a Prayer	Spice Up Your Life	Upside Down	Walk On By	Manic Monday	Can't Get You out of My Head	Expelled (Day 7)
						It Don't Mean a Thing (group)	You Get What You Give (group)	Take Your Mama (group)
Fred MacAulay	Why Does It Always Rain on Me?	Crazy	Living Doll	Happy Talk	You're Beautiful	You Make Me Feel So Young	Glad All Over	Expelled (Day 6)
						Puttin' on the Ritz (group)	Daydream Believer (group)
Mel Giedroyc	20th Century Boy	September	The Winner Takes It All	Eye of the Tiger	Woman in Love	Move Over, Darling	Expelled (Day 5)
						It Don't Mean a Thing (group)
Zöe Salmon	Love Machine	Downtown	Suddenly I See	It Must Have Been Love	1-2-3	Expelled (Day 4)
Tim Vine	The Impossible Dream (The Quest)	Lucky Number	Disco Inferno	Viva Las Vegas	Expelled (Day 3)
Linda Robson	I Will Survive	Dancing in the Moonlight	Crazy	Expelled (Day 2)
Miranda Hart	Crazy, Crazy Nights	Physical	Expelled (Day 1)
Rowland Rivron	Stand by Your Man	Expelled (Launch)
Saved by Judges	Angellica	Mel	Angellica	Zöe	Tricia	Shaun	Tricia	Ray	Tricia	none	none
Saved by Students	Miranda	Linda	Fred	Mel	Angellica	Colin	Tara	Colin, Angellica (tie)	Shaun	Tricia	none
Expelled	Rowland	Miranda	Linda	Tim	Zöe	Mel	Fred	Angellica (Public vote)	Ray	Colin (Public vote) Shaun (Student vote)	Tricia

• † Group collaboration featured Lamar.

Updated 23:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC) Peteb16

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support. Far neater. However I would question whether this level of detail is actually appropriate to an encyclopedia. Keithmall 16:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral I'm not sure if I like it or not, I think I'd prefer something along the lines of The X Factor articles rather than the Big Brother articles, but then again Support this does work, and different colours can be added to show who was saved by the teachers judges and who was saved by the students. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Obviously suggestions for improvement to the table are very welcome. ~~ Peteb16 19:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually I don't think it'll work because when there's less contestants, they'll probably sing multiple songs and duets, as they have done in the past. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to admit, I'm not fully versed on the format of the show yet. However, As it's possible to split columns and rows, do you believe it'd be possible to adapt the table, or perhaps start a seperate one at the point they begin to alter the show? ~~ Peteb16 22:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support. Compared to the existing seasons, it's starting to look really messy with the list at the moment. Agree with AbenibeProjectors that different colours for students saved and teachers saved might be better. Timclare ^(talk) _{(sign here)} 14:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

On second thoughts, would it not make sense to just have the table (as proposed) placed on a seperate page for "song choices" or similar title as to not clutter up the main page, where there would be just a brief round-up (as with other series). Timclare ^(talk) _{(sign here)} 16:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

We may as well split the article so there's article for the 2007 show. Lets deal with this first however. ~~ Peteb16 20:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

• CommentI was thinking three extra rows at the bottom would fulfill this, entitled Public Vote, Teacher Vote, Student Vote. I'm confused however as last night I saw the judges instead of the teachers voting. ~~ Peteb16 16:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • It's the judges who vote, not the teachers, I made a mistake in thinking that the judges were called "teachers" in Fame Academy. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support. It is good and compact.Lizzie Harrison 19:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• This clearly so much better than whats in the article now. Don't wait for any more support - just do it. Keithmall 18:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I would, however I'm concerned the insanely complicated table design (which needs tweaking almost everytime you add something) would stop people contributing. I'm going to wait until the end of the contest. ~~ Peteb16 14:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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Song table (series 2)

Just to give an idea what a completed table might look like. I don't have all the information so if anyone could fill it in that would be really good (also I haven't checked that all the links are correcet). Also I prefer my way of doing the end bit about who was saved and expelled to the proposal above, although I like the colours.

	Launch	Day 1	Day 2	Day 3	Day 4	Day 5	Day 6	Day 7	Day 8	Day 9	Final
Edith Bowman	Hanging on the Telephone	Shout	(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman	Sing It Back	?	Come Fly with Me	Bridge over Troubled Water	Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)	Trouble	?	Bridge over Troubled Water
										Shout
						Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye (group)		It Ain't What You Do (group)	I Got You Babe (duet)	It Takes Two (duet)	Champagne Supernova
Kim Medcalfe	You Can't Hurry Love	Something	Jump	Don't Speak	?	Fever	Don't Know Why	Perfect	Born to Try	You Keep Me Hangin' On	Something
										Don't Know Why
						Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye (group)		I Only Want To Be With You (duet)	Just a Little (group)	You're The One That I Want (duet)	Over the Rainbow
Adrian Edmonson	Tainted Love	A Little Less Conversation	Turning Japanese	Born to Be Wild	?	Can't Take My Eyes off You	Crazy Horses	It Must Be Love	Fame	Should I Stay or Should I Go?	Can't Take My Eyes Off You
										Born to be Wild
						Beyond the Sea (group)		It Ain't What You Do (group)	I Got You Babe (duet)	You're The One That I Want (duet)
Reggie Yates	Mr Boombastic	You're the First, the Last, My Everything	It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over	U Can't Touch This	?	Just the Way You Are	Dancing on the Ceiling	This Old Heart of Mine (Is Weak for You)	Zoom	Would I Lie to You?	Expelled (Day 9)
										U Can't Touch This
						Beyond the Sea (group)		It Ain't What You Do (group)	Just a Little (group)	It Takes Two (duet)
Debra Stephenson	Young Hearts Run Free	One Day I'll Fly Away	Thinking of You	Get Here	?	Cry Me a River	I Believe in You	Anyone Who Had a Heart	Stop	Expelled (Day 8)
						Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye (group)		I Only Want To Be With You (duet)	Just a Little (group)
Dawn Steele	Leave Right Now	Torn	Ironic	I Don't Want to Talk about It	?	Close to You	Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue	What I Am	Expelled (Day 7)
						Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye (group)		It Ain't What You Do (group)
Nick Knowles	You've Lost That Loving Feeling	...Baby One More Time	With a Little Help from My Friends	Kiss	?	The Lady Is a Tramp	Left Outside Alone	Expelled (Day 6)
						Beyond the Sea (group)
Gina Yashire	Crazy in Love	Respect	Vertigo	Celebration	?	My Baby Just Cares for Me	Expelled (Day 5)
						Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye (group)
Christopher Colquhoun	Hey Ya!	Wherever I Lay My Hat (That's My Home)	Lovely Day	This Love	?	Expelled (Day 4)
Jon Culshaw	Feel	I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues	From Russia with Love	God Put a Smile upon Your Face	Expelled (Day 3)
Konnie Huq	Genie in a Bottle	Whole Again	Kids in America	Expelled (Day 2)
Jenny Eclair	If My Friends Could See Me Now	All That Jazz	Expelled (Day 1)
Al Murray	Stuck in the Middle With You	Expelled (Launch)
Saved by Judges	Jenny	Christopher	Gina	Gina	Dawn	Debra	Adrian	Edith	Adrian	Edith	None
Saved by Students	Jon	Reggie	Chris	Reggie	Gina	Reggie	Debra	See note 1	Reggie	Adrian (See note 2)	None
Expelled	Al	Jenny	Konnie	Jon	Chris	Gina	Nick	Dawn	Debra	Reggie	Adrian, Kim

^Note 1 : Dawn and Reggie had the same number of votes each from the Students so it went back to the public vote.

^Note 2 : All the students returned for the vote

As you can see, when they start singing in groups and doing duets and singing multiple songs, it gets a bit crowded! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, racking my brian now, there's got to be a way to resolve this. ~~ Peteb16 18:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a way to put a line in a box, that would work, but I can't figure it out. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I can do lines, not sure if it'll help, but it's worth a try. ~~ Peteb16 18:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

As you can see, when they start singing in groups and doing duets and singing multiple songs, it gets a bit crowded! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, racking my brian now, there's got to be a way to resolve this. ~~ Peteb16 18:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a way to put a line in a box, that would work, but I can't figure it out. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I can do lines, not sure if it'll help, but it's worth a try. ~~ Peteb16 18:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I've put a line in one box (Edith, day 5) to see how it would look. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I've put a couple more lines in boxes. :D ~~ Peteb16 19:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, you've done it differently! That works... so let's do that! If we can fill in the rest of the information for the series 2 table then we can add it to the article... and I think we should definitely put the series 3 box in the article (using my final three columns?). — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments on the colours? ~~ Peteb16 20:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

What do they mean, exactly? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Nothing really, I just did it to show up the group songs and pair up the duets. I'm not sure I've got the best colours for the job however ~~ Peteb16 22:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well it makes it clearer to see who was in the same group/duet, I think only two colours are needed, one for each song performed on each day. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Better? ~~ 06:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Name Change

The official title of the program is "Comic Relief does Fame Academy" as is stated clearly on the official BBC Fame Academy website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/fameacademy). Although it is capitalized elsewhere, the page should still be placed at "does" instead of "Does". It has already been moved once, can anyone help move back? Timclare ^(talk) _{(sign here)} 16:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it should have a lower case d. Comic Relief and Fame Academy are two separate entities, and the "does" links them, and is rightly on the website written with a lower case letter. -Trampikey^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that they happen to use a lower case letter on their website. Lots of TV shows, albums, songs, films, etc, use capital letters where Wikipedia does not, and vice versa. This now goes against Wikipedia's manual of style and naming conventions. And having one person agree with you doesn't mean you should go ahead and make changes. That's not what consensus means. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 21:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Please provide a link to where it says there can't be a lower case "does" in the title. As far as I can see, Wikipedia aims to provide correct factual information; and the correct name has a lower case letter. -Trampikey^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, on the CRDFA website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/fameacademy) it currently says "Tara is your winner of Comic Relief Does Fame Academy 2007!" So there. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 14:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

However, the page header has a lower case "d", as does this page... it's a fair mix, I'll grant you that, but I think with a lower case "d" it makes more sense, as they're two separate things... but either way is fine... I'm still interested as to where it says about the capital letter in WP:MOS though! :P -Trampikey^{(talk)(contribs)} 14:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I can't find the specific page but words like in, on, at, of, the, a, an, etc, should be lower case in articles about TV shows, songs, albums, films, books, etc. Does isn't one of those words. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 19:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Comic Relief does Fame Academy

Early next year sees the return of Comic Relief does Fame Academy. Very exciting stuff and should be set for a few laughs. Not sure as yet who our victims, sorry, students will be. A Candela (talk) 21:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody have any information about the show returning for Comic Relief 2011?--Cooly123 19:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)