Talk:Cranbrook (hymn tune)
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On Ilkla Moor bar t'at[edit]
The words "bar t'at" literally mean "without the hat". Furthermore when sung they are sung as (bar) (tat). The spelling "baht 'at" is etymologically, musically (just try singing it) and traditionally incorrect. Please do not attempt to "correct" the correct version. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- You are wrong. Baht is Yorkshire dialect for without. See article where it is referenced. I will revert your revert, please don't revert again without providing a reference rather than your opinion Esemgee (talk) 10:31, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- So you would say "baht nowt" would you? The article says: "The title is seen in various transcriptions of the dialect", besides which you are not supposed to use Wiki as a source! The problem originally came from Southerners trying to transcribe a strong dialect which they don't understand, which is why most early published sources of regional folk tunes mash parts of words into others. The best advice is to try singing it, preferably with gusto, and you will hear where the words naturally break. Alternatively listen to this YouTube rendering. BTW have a look at WP:BRD. You were bold, I reverted, so now we discuss - not revert again. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:17, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- I am not using Wikipedia as a reference for Baht, I am using the Yorkshire Dialect Society http://www.yorkshiredialectsociety.org.uk/word-recognition/][, I think they might know. Once again you have provided your opinion not a reference. And what about this, [ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IT-eAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT92&dq=Cranbrook+tune&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK_a7vrOHXAhWGJcAKHWyjDMwQ6AEITDAH#v=onepage&q=Cranbrook%20tune&f=false]? And the score here is from an Ilkley website that also explains baht 'at means without a hat, [1]. I think this more than explains my reverts of your opinion. Esemgee (talk) 13:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)