Talk:Crib Goch

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Anyone got a better pic ? Gillean666 03:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Are we allowed to post the front covers of books? There's an excellent picture of the CG-CyD-Snowdon ridge in full winter nick, taken by G. G. Field probably in 1969, on the front cover of 'Winter Climbs North Wales' (1974 CP), edited by Rick Newcombe. Bob aka Linuxlad 23:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Covers of books (also records, DVDs, etc.) are only usable under fair use criteria, unless the copyright owner is prepared to relinquish his/her rights. Unforunately, that means that the cover could only be used to illustrate an article about that book — we couldn't legally use it to illustrate the subject of the photo (in this case, Crib Goch). --Stemonitis 18:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What if we accompany it with a statement about the ridge being _the_ classic 'easy' winter ridge route in the area, as described in the NW climbing guide(s)? Linuxlad 18:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It would still be a breach of copyright, I'm afraid. I think the easiest option is just to get a photographer to go there. --Stemonitis 19:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, I think they'd need several winter visits and possibly a time-machine - I suspect it's several years since NW has had a good sustained plastering of snow like that, and in such good light. (It certainly wasn't like that two weeks ago [1] - Sunday 11th Feb 07). Bob aka Linuxlad 19:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia or climbing guide?[edit]

Wikipedia is no place to make recommendations on where and when to go to a particular location! Alan Liefting 02:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Um... wnhy not? William M. Connolley 09:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Wikipedia is an excellent place to share information regarding the safest way to tackle Crib Goch, and here is such a guide.

The recommended route along Crib Goch (Red Ridge) is to follow the top of the ridge, staying on the south side, using the top has a hand hold, as the north side has the steepest drop. Paths are present further down on the south side, however these are loose, so it is safest to stick to the top. The summit is about halfway along the ridge, which is followed by three Pinnacles. Climbing these can be avoided by using faint paths on the south side. The western most pinnacle not so easily avoided, and should be attempted directly with utmost caution.

The route from the pinnacle descends into Bwlch Goch (Red pass). The route continues west to Garnedd Ugain via Crib y Ddysgl (Ridge of the dish), again following the ridge as much as possible, as the paths on the south side are deceptive and can cause problems.

Crib Goch is hazardous at the best of times, climbing it is dangerous in High winds and snow/ice. The ridge should not be attempted by the faint-hearted, inexperienced or anyone who suffers vertigo.

(Note: there should be a ^ symbol above the 'o' in Goch and 'i' in Crib)


Response - I think there is little point in giving route descriptions like this in other than the most general terms. People's climbing standard and response to exposure vary lots, and unless your description is in with others it is very hard to tell if your description is given by someone who soloes sea cliffs, or (like me) has problems painting the ceiling. And there is a legal responsibility in giving an adequate description too, I suggest. (PS - the first time I took my (future) wife out was over Crib Goch... it was February (1977), and she never really forgave me  :-)) Linuxlad 11:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I have to concur with the last point. There's too much variety of ability out there to make recommendations. Crib Goch is certainly serious, and anybody who attempts it should know that, but that is as much of a warning as an encylopedia article should consider giving. No guidebook will ever presume to tell people not to climb a route in certain conditions, if only for the perceived liability of the implied recommendation to climb it in other conditions. The BMC participation statement sums up the best approach to this, which is one of personal responsibility. Crib Goch is done in winter conditions, in wind and in rain, and can be perfectly safe if taken seriously. I have done it on a very windy day indeed. Kept low and used hands when I felt it necessary, walked on top otherwise. Took the ridge religiously and did all climbing. We must not presume to tell people what to climb. Tell them it's serious. That is all. Cmsg 09:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsg (talk • contribs)

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Crib Goch, Wales
Crib Goch is an arête in Snowdonia national park, Wales, reaching 923 m (3,028 ft) above mean sea level. It is a popular destination for mountaineering, but even experienced climbers have suffered fatalities on it. It is also the wettest spot in the United Kingdom, with an average of 4,473 millimetres (176.1 in) rainfall a year over the past 30 years.Photo: David Iliff
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