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Removal of sourced content by Nm10Lm10

Nm10Lm10 - you requested that I "educate [you] on how to take this forward in a talkpage". Here is a section for you to do so. Make your case for the content removal below. In the meantime, to avoid possible sanctions for edit-warring (you have now made 4 reverts), please revert your removal until consensus is achieved here. Thank you. -- Begoon 14:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

I referred to both the sources and had a long read. Although one of the two sources says a lot about his qualities and abilities, there's no mention of CR as a creative playmaker with "good vision and passing ability" and it is also evident from the fact that we have witnessed the lack of vision, awareness and playmaking abilities of CR. Also, the source is misleading. This is a change which is the truth in all honesty. My only intention is to not misguide the masses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, you've said that little piece about "not misguiding the masses" several times now. It's starting to feel like something of a diatribe. Frankly, it feels a little weird that you've come out of nowhere to remove content from Cristiano Ronaldo's article. – PeeJay 14:57, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Your answers seem to be biased. CR isn't known for his playmaking, or vision or passing abilities instead for his goal-scoring prowess, aerial ability, an eye for the goal and athleticism and is regarded as a prolific goal-machine and that's a fact. The source is misleading in a way like telling that Messi is a great header just because of his goal against Man Utd in the UCL final. Clearly, Messi is not a good header at all. Same applies to Ronaldo. So, the truth should prevail.
  • Once you revert your change I will be willing to continue this discussion. I may even agree with you - but I won't discuss it until you revert out the edit-warred change. You need to understand how things work, and teaching you that edit-warring is ok would be doing you no favours. -- Begoon 14:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    I have done it. Can we discuss it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Ok, thanks for the self-revert - having fully read the sources I agree that they don't really support the content you removed. I'd be happy to instead see a sentence remarking on Ronaldo's evolution from a wing player to a versatile attacker who can "tuck in" behind the main attacker(s), later adopting a more "free-ranging" role - but let's see what thoughts other editors have. They may want to present better source(s) or have other ideas. -- Begoon 15:27, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    So, are you actually telling me that I am right? If so, the source is definitely misleading. So that should be enough to approve my change right. And also, if you look into the longer source clearly, it's being mentioned Ronaldo relies on his teammates "service". Massive respect to CR but the truth should prevail. I mean my point is Ronaldo hasn't been a deep lying creative playmaker whose widely known for his vision.He's instead known for his unique lethal goal scoring prowess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    I am saying exactly what I said - no more, no less. You are correct that in my opinion the current sources don't fully support the current content, but removal is not the only option - so we wait for other opinions and consensus to form. Don't get carried away, have patience - my opinion is, like yours, just one voice. There is no DEADLINE -- Begoon 15:40, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Fair enough. I totally get it. Thanks for your consent and time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Also, you might want to ease up on the "truth for the masses" stuff - we're encyclopedia writers, not evangelicals on a crusade - see also WP:TRUTH. -- Begoon 15:50, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Lol. Okay man. Chill. By the way, please have a look at this source(regarding above discussion) when you're free. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-evolution-of-cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-manchester-united/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. "He either terrorized the wing, creating shots for himself and strikers Karim Benzema and Gonzalo Higuaín" - but now "it’s the world-class movement and finishing that’s always been there but wasn’t always obvious." It's an opinion. I'm not sure I fully share it, but I understand it. -- Begoon 16:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Bruh. It's actually very easy to confirm the change I tried to make just having watched CR playing through the years. Funny how wiki pages contain content something based on sources which themselves are a opinion of others but would have doubts making a change from another source. Anyway, here's another source, more credible. https://sport360.com/article/football/juventus/293118/cristiano-ronaldo-evolution-from-sporting-lisbon-to-manchester-united-and-real-madrid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
From https://sport360.com/article/football/juventus/293118/cristiano-ronaldo-evolution-from-sporting-lisbon-to-manchester-united-and-real-madrid - "he reserved his energy stores to play off the shoulder of the last man, prowling the edge of the box and pulling the trigger with predatory precision. The explosion of old was losing its edge but he remained an unbelievable athlete and finisher. Less involved in build-up play, his passes were merely to recycle possession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
He's right. Manchester United fan here. Having watched Cristiano all these years, I can confirm he has never been a playmaker or a creator although he did so occasionally like every typical winger putting those crosses. He was actually an explosive trickster in Manchester and turned to focus mainly on scoring in his latter years. In fact, several people consider Messi to be better is mainly because of Messi's playmaking and his telepathic vision which has always been something Cristiano wasn't quite capable of and that has always held him back behind Messi. During his time with Madrid, Cristiano most of the time played centrally as a striker and became a pure goalscorer. So, being a Cristiano fan, I should agree on this. Bias aside. But, @Nm10Lm10, Relax mate. You're right but you don't have to sound that way and emphasize on certain phrases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir SAF (talk • contribs) 10:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
It's very easy to confirm anything if you use your own eyes as a source, that's why we're not allowed to use primary sources on Wikipedia. – PeeJay 16:38, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
One of those primary sources is brain - fully functioning and having the ability to understand the difference between playmaking and predatory abilities. The same brain was used to develop this wikipedia platform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nm10Lm10 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

This sentence

"Ronaldo was the second-highest scorer in the European qualification for the 2006 FIFA World Cup with seven goals"

Is this just erroneous? Because I mean, if you look at the page for the qualifiers themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#Goalscorers

It seems Cristiano Ronaldo was not the second-highest scorer, but sharing fifth-highest with many other players.

Source seems sketchy also. I will leave it for now, but someone might want to correct it. Chronicler87 (talk) 16:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I think it means he was Portugal's second-highest scorer, rather than the second-highest scorer overall. – PeeJay 13:46, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Made that apparent. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 13:55, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Information Missing

Hello Everyone! I'm new here so I haven't figured out how to edit things just yet. So I'm sharing my opinions on this page. I have noticed that many goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo aren't being logged here. For example, he scored vs Serbia a few days ago but I cannot see it just yet. But I can see that his hat-trick vs Lithuania a few hours ago is there already.

We should try to log information about all goals scored and assists made by Ronaldo. This is something the wiki page of Lionel Messi follows very meticulously.

A username @Kosack, apparently a Messi fanboy has been removing information relating to Ronaldo. He removed yesterday's goal by Ronaldo, simply stating the reason "why is the SPAL goal relevant". It is relevant because it helped Juve secure 3 points and might be vital in their title defense. He also attempted to remove Ronaldo's goal against Serbia in the Euro 2020 qualifiers. Help me out guys — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zahin346 (talk • contribs) 10:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Cristiano Ronaldo to keep the discussion in one place, cheers. Kosack (talk) 10:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Stupid levels of detail and their relevance or significance over the full length of their career (and indeed when reviewed in 20 years) mean that we should not get bogged down in listing every single goal scored. The Messi article may also be incorrect, but it does not mean we should screw this one up too (and it likely has too much detail at present also). Koncorde (talk) 12:41, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Influx of Messi fanboys ruining this page by removing(and not letting other editors adding) relevant and important goals and assists

I tried to bring to attention that several of Ronaldo's important goals and many assists were not logged. Then I logged his goal vs Serbia in Euro 2020 qualifiers. This was immediately reverted. The reason was that "It was not notable since Portugal were leading most of second half. couldn't but stop laughing. Football doesn't work like this. Atletico cancelled a 2-0 lead by Juve in a matter of minutes.

Similar stuff happened when I tried logging in his goals and assist vs Verona and S.P.A.L. respectively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zahin346 (talk • contribs) 05:45, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I have no beef in the CR v LM fanboy duel (don't think I've ever edited either page), but I do try to follow Wikipedia policies, such as WP:NOTADIARY which states Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary. Not every match played or goal scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person.. Spike 'em (talk) 10:06, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
And who said that every goal of Cristiano is included? Give me one good reason why his goal and assist vs Verona shouldn't be in this page? And why is this rule applicable to Ronaldo only? Messi's wiki has all his goals and assists given chronologically. Each and every season has separate headers there, yet no one points that out.--Zahin346 (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Messi's wiki does not list every goal, and if Ronaldo was to have each season split out that would be fine - but the content of each season would then need to be significant and notable - not just a list of goals as you claim. Messi's article mentions occasional goals, injuries, and significant matches and outcomes. There are a few weaker less notable goals, but little in the way of first, second, and third goal scored as you keep introducing... I mean, when do you stop listing his goals? His 9th? His 19th?
Messi's article for instance states "With the departure of former captain Andrés Iniesta in May 2018, Messi was named the team's new captain for the following season.[239] On 12 August 2018, he lifted his first title as Barcelona's captain, the Supercopa de España, following a 2–1 victory over Sevilla. - significant because it was a cup, and his first as Captain.
On 19 August, Messi scored twice in helping Barcelona defeat Alavés 3–0 in their first La Liga match of the season, with his first goal, a free kick that he rolled under the jumping Alavés wall, making history in being Barcelona's 6000th goal in La Liga.[240] a bit spurious and over-detailed, but 6000th goal may be notable.
On 18 September, Messi scored a hat-trick in a 4–0 home win over PSV Eindhoven in Barcelona's opening Champions League group stage match of the season, setting a new record for most hat-tricks in the competition, with eight.[241] - clearly notable quantity of hattricks.
In 20 October, Messi scored and assisted in a 4–2 home win over Sevilla, but was later forced off in the 26th minute after falling awkwardly and injuring his right arm; tests later confirmed that he had fractured his radial bone, ruling him out for approximately three weeks.[242] - marginal significance, but relevant.
'On 8 December, Messi scored two free kicks – his ninth and tenth goals from set pieces during the calendar year – in a 4–0 away win over Catalan Derby rivals Espanyol in La Liga; this was the first time ever that he had managed such a feat in the league. His first goal was also his 10th league goal of the season, making him the first player ever to reach double figures in La Liga for 13 consecutive seasons.[243] - multiple instances of notability of the goal and achievement.
You will notice many gaps between the dates not covering all goals. Koncorde (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

False information

Why is it that whenever I correct something here it gets reverted back to that bullshit? For example, Ronaldo scored 450 goals in 438 games for Real Madrid not 311 in 292. It's true that he scored 311 goals with 292 games for Real in La Liga but in all competitions the numbers are 450 and 438. StoneBanks7 (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Stonebanks7:, a player's infobox should contain league statistics only, not all competitions, thanks. Kosack (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Exactly as the statement above, you will notice that not just for Real Madrid, but for all clubs his Appearances and Goals will only be that of which he scored in League competitions TonyMartiello (talk) 09:11, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2019

The Total Goals of 118 is incorrect. If you add up the column it should be 123 (0+5+6+9+12+23+42+26=123). Trybble1 (talk) 19:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm assuming you mean the Sporting/Man United section of his stats table? If so, the 5 shouldn't be counted as the total row is for his years at Manchester United. As a single season spell, his year at Sporting does not have a total and is a standalone row, thanks. Kosack (talk) 19:36, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

26 July 2019 no-show incident in Seoul missing

Cristiano Ronaldo was advertised to be competing in, and contracted to appear for at least 45 minutes during a pre-season friendly match between Juventus F.C. and the K League all-star team that took place in Seoul World Cup Stadium on 26 July 2019, but he did not. Many loyal fans of CR7 in South Korea were of course enraged. Many months have passed since the incident, but I can't find a sing mention about the controversy in this article.

Can't the controversy be added? I found many sources to back it up.

The Korea Times
Yonhap News Agency
Other sources

JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 16:50, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I feel very sorry for all the Korean fans that were left disappointed. I am sure it will take them many, many years to get over it. But this so called no-show in a totally unimportant friendly match has no place in this encyclopedical article. -- Tkotw12/talk/cont 05:50, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
If there is an impact in media, it should be maybe considered, ...please discuss with arguments...try not to begin an edit-war! "a totally unimportant friendly" seems to has a certain impact in the media... Just my opinion. Cheers.--Lanzenhart (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Okay, what about this: the spectators paid much money to see CR7 live on the field, with the price ranging from ₩30,000 (US$26.22 (equivalent to $31.25 in 2023)) to ₩400,000 (US$349.67 (equivalent to $416.71 in 2023)).
On field, CR7 cited "muscle fatigue" from the previous day's match for not running. But to make this matter worse, CR7's Instagram account posted a video of him running on a treadmill, with a caption that reads "Nice to back home", just one day after the troubled match, suggesting that muscle-ache may not be the actual reason he refused to play.
Anyway, here are some other sources I have found:
Korea JoongAng Daily
Other sources
Also, there is an interesting commentary from a Joongang Ilbo writer (translated from the original piece in Korean) that provides a perspective on the ill-fated match. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 13:03, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
"Tired player doesn't play friendly" isn't particularly significant. It obviously means something to the Korean fans but is more to do with the club's than anything who signed the agreements despite Ronaldo having played the previous night. Koncorde (talk) 14:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Hair transplant clinic in Madrid

Doesn't seem to be any info about it on his page. He opened a clinic in Madrid with his partner, with her being the face of the company.

https://www.jn.pt/desporto/canal/planeta-ronaldo/cristiano-ronaldo-delega-negocios-a-georgina-10622827.html https://www.delas.pt/ronaldo-abre-negocio-em-madrid-e-escolhe-georgina-como-administradora/pessoas/558824/ https://www.novagente.pt/georgina-rodriguez-e-cristiano-ronaldo-juntos-no-amor-e-no-mundo-dos-negocios-modelo-vira-gestora https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/02/25/gente/1551083543_934609.html

Purijj (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

FYI - Peer review in process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Cristiano_Ronaldo/archive3

Note that the review was done over a month ago, and the remaining issues are resolving the formatting issues with the refs. Purijj (talk) 12:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Height

His listed height was 1.85m until a couple of years ago when higher measurements started appearing. He was measured at 185.1m on the documentary ‘Tested to the Limit’, alongside precise measurements of his arms, legs, chest etc using a body scanner. You can’t get anymore exact than that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.227.220 (talk) 12:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

There’s no need to be that exact with height and he isn’t 185.1m FluffSquad (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

New statue of Ronaldo made in the Algarve

https://www.dnoticias.pt/desporto/escultura-recria-melhor-golo-da-carreira-de-cristiano-ronaldo-GG5448998?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebook&sfns=mo Purijj (talk) 10:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2019

can i dit because i need to put some info i know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.205.203.247 (talk) 17:46, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:58, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add

About the rape case. In the article is missing that the civil proceedings are still pending.[1][2] --Subida (talk) 19:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Page split needed?

The page is 372,367 bytes, according to WP:SIZESPLIT, anything over 100K bytes "should almost certainly be divided". This is almost 4 times that amount and will surely grow. I've done a quick scan of the page and most of the informations seems relevant, so trimming it down won't really help, so splitting it into separate pages may solve the issue. Any suggestions?

Some ideas I have:-

  • Condensing the 'Career statistics' section, turning it into a subsection of 'Honours and achievements', then maybe renaming it to 'Honours, achievements, and career statistics'
    • For the above 'Career statistics', just show the totals of each teams and the overall totals (for 'Club'), and just the overall total for 'International'
      • To have the complete tables of the above on a different page, I was thinking having it on 'List of career achievements by Cristiano Ronaldo' in section 5 'Goalscoring statistics' as the stats appear there either way (though in a slightly different format, so the byte size of that page won't increase by too much.
  • Reaming the page to 'List of career achievements and statistics of Cristiano Ronaldo'
    • Using'Of' instead of 'by' sounds a bit better IMO.
  • Reducing the amount of awards listed on section 8.3.1'Awards' as there are a few too many
  • For 'Outside football' I was suggest creating a separate page that includes 'Outside football', 'Legal issues' and 'Philanthropy'.
    • Of course making a more appropriate title
    • 'Legal issues' and 'Philanthropy' seems to still be in the sphere of 'Outside football' IMO as they all interconnected, same for businesses he owns.
    • For his new page, possible create a section for 'business' aswell.
    • Personal life i.e private life, should really be more focused, so only include details about this family etc, like him not drinking alcholhol or his mothers medical issues.

Purijj (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

There is a lot of micro detail that while seemingly relevant, and often well sourced, is largely irrelevant as nobody is realistically going to want to read a profile of a player that consists of lists of hat tricks and winning goals in any given season. This is a symptom of articles being written live, and then rarely edited after the fact for context. And to be clear, there are a lot of modern footballer articles like this. In effect what is written here probably constitutes an encyclopedic level of content about relatively un-encyclopedic information. Koncorde (talk) 14:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Koncorde, That's completely true, with gives it more reason to take these things off the main page about the subject (in this case Ronaldo) IMO, thus leaving more encyclopaedic information on this main page, while new pages can be created to include more un-encyclopedic information, such as lists of hat tricks, winning goals in any given season, varies records broken etc. Thus keeping the main page focused and relevant to what Wikipedia is about. Thanks. Purijj (talk) 14:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
@Purijj: I'm in favour of moving 'outside of football' to its own page as per your suggestion. In doing so it splits Ronaldo the celebrity from Ronaldo the sportsperson, which seems like a sensible split in terms of what readers might be looking for when they visit the page. Itsfini (talk) 13:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Both are still Ronaldo... I think it's better to look at cruft in each section before we get into splitting content. And if we do split content, this likely should be tables, honours and statistics which can standalone. Ronaldo a business interested really don't standalone in contrast. Koncorde (talk) 14:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
@Koncorde: Agreed, should look at condensing each section before we get into splitting content. Purijj (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2020

2001:569:BE0C:200:5D11:C614:7C8E:5C12 (talk) 09:59, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Ronaldo is now 35
The template will automatically update his age today. Kosack (talk) 10:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add his assists

Hey I think Adding a line which inlcludes the number of Ronaldo's assists per season to his career statistic table makes this article more reliable .It can be found in sites like transfermarkt and messivsronaldo.net . regards. MRezafr (talk) 12:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi MRezafr, consensus over the years has been against the inclusion of assists in player articles. This is largely down to the inconsistent criteria among different sites and and unreliable sources. For example, the two you mention, Transfermarkt and messivsronaldo.net, would not be considered reliable sources. Kosack (talk) 13:15, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected request 29th April 2020

Under Real Madrid, 2009–13: World record transfer and La Liga championship, first paragraph:
"Since club captain Raúl already wore the number 7, the number Ronaldo wore at Manchester United. Ronaldo received the number 9 shirt,"
Should either be changed to:
"Since club captain Raúl already wore the number 7, the number Ronaldo wore at Manchester United, Ronaldo received the number 9 shirt,"
or "Club captain Raúl already wore the number 7, the number Ronaldo wore at Manchester United. Ronaldo received the number 9 shirt,"

I think replacing the full stop between United and Ronaldo is the better option. 194.28.127.52 (talk) 22:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done! GoingBatty (talk) 00:45, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

If he's Portuguese, it should be "Sim!" and not "Si!"

If he's Portuguese, it should be "Sim!" and not "Si!" as you refer in Goal Celebrations' topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:F5F8:B701:C530:4EDF:20F:FF90 (talk) 02:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

What if he's saying it in Spanish because he started doing it at Real Madrid? – PeeJay 10:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
We can't really tell if its "Sim" or Si" because they are both really similar. The media dubs it as the "Sii" celebration, so thats probably why its on here as "Si" and not "sim". Maybe if some citations can be found it can be changed to a sentence that disputes "si" and "sim". Matthewishere0 (talk) 23:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

April 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47474106

Please add BBC 2019 polls with 500 thousands respodents that stated Ronaldo as the best foreign midfielder in Premier League all time.

https://www.realmadrid.com/en/about-real-madrid/history/football-legends/cristiano-ronaldo-dos-santos-aveiro

In Real Madrid website clearly stated Ronaldo won 3 UEFA Super Cups with Madrid. Why Wiki only wrote Ronaldo won 2 ?? I think its 2016 Cup missing from Ronaldo honours. If you think Ronaldo didnt deserved that because he didnt played in the final. But let me inform you FIFA rule all the players who include the squad member deserve that club honour though they didnt play in final. If you do that for Ronaldo you must do that to all player dont make double standard. Ex : Ronaldo Brazil didnt played a single match in 1994 World Cup but Wiki wrote Ronaldo Brazil won 1994 World Cup. Roy Keane and Paul Scholes didnt played in Champions League 1999 Final but Wiki wrote they won it. Lionel Messi didnt played in Champions League 2006 final and Supercoppa Espana 2005 final but Wiki wrote Messi won both cups. Gareth Bale also didnt played in UEFA Super Cups 2016 final but Wiki wrote Gareth Bale won the cup. Please be fair otherwise wiki will judge undermining Ronaldo accomplishment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.119.66.58 (talk) 04:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

If you look through the archive of this page, you'll find evidence that Ronaldo was not included in Real Madrid's squad for the 2016 Super Cup; that's why it's not listed. By the same token, Brazilian Ronaldo was included in the 23-man squad for the 1994 World Cup and Keane and Scholes were part of Manchester United's 25-man squad for the 1998-99 Champions League. If you examine your argument, you'll see it doesn't hold water. – PeeJay 09:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
You do realize that you can still be included in a squad and not play right? Ronaldo wasn't even included in the squad, neither did he travel to the country it was played in. Lionel Messi did travel with the team in the 2006 Champions Final, he just didn't play. Matthewishere0 (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Ronaldo

There has been successful sneaky attempts to change the pronunciation of his name without references over the past years, the biggest concern being the first O of "Ronaldo". ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ Κ changed it from u [u] to ô [o] at 19:12, 27 November 2017. FeijoadaOriginatedInPortugal changed it from ô [o] to ó [ɔ] at 20:44, 17 October 2019. Discussions about such changes couldn't be found in the archives and the users failed to provide an explanation. As far as I know, European Portguese usually reduces unstressed O to U, but there are exceptions. Since it's a name, it's difficult to find a dictionary source. The closest thing would be finding European Portuguese news and interviews pronouncing this part of the name in a clear manner, which is going to be hard. This is a very serious issue. After all, he is the most famous Portuguese person and numerous people quote Wikipedia without questioning. --2001:16B8:31D6:8900:FDA2:4A9A:92E5:AD17 (talk) 13:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Jesus christ, how much time do you have on your hands to go back to edits made several years prior and read what was changed. Anyway it is pronounced with an "o" sound and not an "u" sound. Plug "ronaldo" into google translate in portuguese and see. I don't know any pages that have citations on how names should be pronounced. Matthewishere0 (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't think it's for you to say how people should be spending their time on this site. Whether the IP is right or wrong about the pronunciation, they're right to question it if it doesn't have a source. I probably wouldn't trust Google Translate either, since it is autogenerated. – PeeJay 12:30, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm a Portuguese learner and I remember how the IPA on this page used to be different some months ago. Everyone has a different focus when visiting an article, so please don't judge what I do. I went through the history because maybe these people had a point. It's very easy when you set it to 500 entries a page, make a cut in the middle to see if the change happened or not and move up or down accordingly. Matthewishere0, if you access Google from the US, the audio is likely to be Brazilian like in most of the world, which also includes the change of final Ls to /w/ like in Cockney English. Brazilian Portuguese doesn't reduce pretonic vowels, European Portuguese usually does. This is a Portuguese person from Portugal, so be careful where you get your sources from. --2001:16B8:312B:3600:F8D2:4A15:A1CB:DF74 (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2020

kindly update cristiano apps and goals for real madrid. it should be 438 app with 450 goals. Khairulazharkk (talk) 02:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I assume you’re talking about the stats in the infobox at the top of the article. If so, nothing needs changing as the infobox only tallies league stats. Thanks. – PeeJay 04:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

The ignored stat: ASSISTS

Why aren't assists added? The Wikipedia page in Spanish has the stats of assists for both Cristiano and Messi. Someone with more skills and expertise than me should add the assists for Cristiano and Messi, by copying the number of the Spanish Wikipedia article (which is based on official stats from Marca, La Liga and official matches). Here is the Cristiano Wikipedia article in Spanish: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo James343e (talk) 18:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Assists are not (and will not be) included because there is no consistent definition between governing bodies as to what constitutes one. Thanks. – PeeJay 22:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
And Wikis are not reliable sources anyway. Britmax (talk) 00:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Assists will definetely be included some day in the English wikipedia article for Cristiano, when new editors are able to accept the article limitations (such as not having included assits so far). The claim "there is no consistent definition between governing bodies as to what constitutes one assist" is not supported by any reference. There are many official stats for assists. Oh, and while Wikis are not reliable sources, the sources from which the Spanish Wikipedia takes the stats (such as Marca, La Liga, etc.) are indeed reliable anyway. All I see are ad hoc excuses to not put assists because they are laborious to include in the article. Thanks. James343e (talk) 16:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Hahaha! Yes, there are indeed many different sources for assists, but there is no consistent definition for what constitutes an assist. What the Spanish authorities call an assist is different from what the English authorities do. – PeeJay 18:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Just Cristiano? Not anyone else? Britmax (talk) 22:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

102.176.94.161 (talk) 20:43, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Nickname(s): The imponderable, El Bicho

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 20:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

List of senior career goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo

This list is currently up for deletion, I think it's only right that all people watching this page are aware of it.† Encyclopædius 18:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Height

I see that his height is currently at 1.87 m, but on these documents: https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/hzfqyndmnqazczvc5xdb.pdf (2018 World Cup Player List), https://web.archive.org/web/20170724170755/http://tournament.fifadata.com/documents/FCC/2017/PDF/FCC_2017_SQUADLISTS.PDF (2017 Confederations Cup Player List), https://web.archive.org/web/20171223004345/http://www.fifadata.com/documents/FCWC/2017/pdf/FCWC_2017_Squadlists.pdf (2017 Club World Cup Player List), and https://web.archive.org/web/20171201033347/http://www.fifadata.com/document/FCWC/2016/pdf/FCWC_2016_SquadLists.pdf (2016 Club World Cup Player List) Ronaldo is listed at 1.85 m. Should it be updated to what FIFA reports? Or should the source list of variables be kept between 1.85 and 1.89? Matthewishere0 (talk) 17:59, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

The Premier League list his height as 1.87 m, but to be fair he hasn't played in the Premier League for 11 years. Juventus' website doesn't list a height for him, but UEFA agrees with those FIFA sources. But as noted in the article, there are various different heights given by different publishers. If you change it, be prepared for people to change it back pretty quickly. Myself, I don't give a shit. – PeeJay 15:46, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

See this he got measured by laser at 185 cm which is the most accurate way of measuring somebody, he should be listed at that. † Encyclopædius 18:11, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

A laser is not the most accurate way of measuring. And Cristiano had both of his legs open in that video, making him lose height with that posture. He was measured by Real Madrid as 1.87 m, that is the most reliable source and what most sources indicate. So he should stay at 1.87 m. James343e (talk) 16:33, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2020

GGsbro (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. @GGsbro: Edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change to be made, not to request access to the article itself. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

== Incorrect numbers of UEFA Super Cup The numbers of UEFA Super Cup trophy he won is 3. Why is 2 appearing? 2014 and 2017. He won in the year 2016. Can this change be implemented by whoever has the lock protection key? Khamaldeeen (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

According to 2016 UEFA Super Cup, he was not part of the team for that competition. Kosack (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2020

Cristiano Ronaldo scored 118 goals for Manchester United not 84. Solhill233 (talk) 20:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Please find a source for this figure, bearing in mind that some articles here only show league goals, excluding those scored in other competitions. Britmax (talk) 20:41, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 23:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2020

He scored 451 goals in 438 games Carameleye88675 (talk) 20:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Carameleye88675: Only league stats are included in the infobox. For detailed stats, see the Career statistics section. Nehme1499 (talk) 20:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Archive 16

I don't understand why the discussion "Pronunciation of Ronaldo" has been archived without satisfactory resolution. The IPA is the first thing in the article you see right after the name. Ignoring the unsourced changes over the years is a flaw. I will use my limited Portuguese and consult someone from the Portuguese Wikipedia. --2001:16B8:2D7E:3E00:6D17:BB62:A686:424A (talk) 01:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

I received an answer and was to referred to https://ciberduvidas.iscte-iul.pt/consultorio/perguntas/a-pronuncia-do-nome-ronaldo/23892. It is a renown site on doubts about the Portguese language. So the phonetic value of the first O is [u]. --2001:16B8:31DD:4200:1075:EF19:3AF1:20E5 (talk) 21:15, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Refer to WP:USERGENERATED. I, however, tagged it as requiring a source. (CC) Tbhotch™ 21:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
As I understand it, the site is as authoritative as it can get. It is part of the University Institute of Lisbon and has ties to Portuguese Ministry of Education. (https://ciberduvidas.iscte-iul.pt/quem-somos) Thus, the article on Ronaldo used to give the correct pronunciation, but it has been changed twice without sources over the years. I don't see why we can't change it back. --2001:16B8:31DD:B500:599F:B799:DA4C:1E61 (talk) 04:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
The website is reliable, the forum of the website isn't. (CC) Tbhotch™ 16:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
The people who answer the questions aren't just anyone. The late author worked with dictionaries and encyclopediae, and on top of that, he was a member of several institutions. (https://ciberduvidas.iscte-iul.pt/autores/fernando-venancio-peixoto-da-fonseca/66/pagina/1 and https://ciberduvidas.iscte-iul.pt/autores) --2001:16B8:31D4:8200:9134:51B2:3B02:DA5 (talk) 07:26, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I've replaced the open-mid vowel with the closed-mid one. But as everything else is unsourced, I left the cn tag. (CC) Tbhotch™ 16:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
That's not what the source says, which ascribes the value of /u/ to O in unstressed position and this conforms to standard European Portuguese. And for the rest, you won't explicitly find a written source on the pronunciation of "Cristiano Ronaldo" in a scientific paper if that's what you had in mind. Wikipedia advocates for an IPA transcription (Help:IPA/Portuguese) that is neither too narrow, which would complicate things, nor too broad in order to consider major allophonic phenomena. Theoretically, you would need a tag for every pronunciation given for personal names as they usually don't appear in dictionaries. Nor do dictionaries necessarily use IPA. The transcription we have in articles is based on a system set by Wikipedia itself. It all comes down to the correct interpretation of symbols according to Wikipedia and of course phonological knowledge. What parts of the name do you still have doubts about? The pronunciation of A as  /ɐ/ in front of nasal consonants and the syllable-final S as /ʃ/ are both predictable peculiarities. --2001:16B8:31D4:8200:B5FE:9D47:B70A:90D0 (talk) 20:50, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
"All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable" and "all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable, published source, even if not actually attributed". I don't expect a scientific paper source; I expect any source that says the pronunciation, even if written with a rudimentary /krishTIAnu goNALdu/. (CC) Tbhotch™ 02:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Just my two cents: there is an Italian IPA dictionary. Maybe something similar exists for Portuguese? Nehme1499 (talk) 03:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
There is https://www.infopedia.pt/, but it doesn't include pronunciations for personal names. There is nothing irregular about the pronunciation of Cristiano Ronaldo's name. I thought there was because the IPA in the article has been misleading for years, but Peixoto da Fonseca (the source I provided) confirmed that the article already had the correct vowel before it was changed years ago. I simply don't know what Tbhotch wants. On the one hand, he's questioned my source twice without looking much into it, on the other hand, he's been looking for answers on Reddit and would be pleased with a Portuguese pronunciation with an weird English spelling. Then all of a sudden, he decides that this whole thing has no source. That's why I don't feel taken seriously and I don't feel he is interested in a proper solution. My question was solved when someone from the Portuguese Wikipedia gave me the link. I know now that it's pronounced according to the basic pronunciation rules of European Portuguese. Whether any of you want to reinstate the correct [kɾiʃˈtjɐnu ʁuˈnaɫdu], which was here years ago, is not my problem. I tried the best I could. The most obvious thing would be to listen to interviews with Ronaldo, but I guess you can’t work with that. Below is what I originally intended to write. Sorry for the tone, but I'm done with this. --2001:16B8:3149:9900:D16:D865:A804:D2FD (talk) 08:26, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I’m disappointed that you have removed the pronunciation completely. This is a step back. You admitted in the revision history that you couldn’t find anything reliable, and you probably won’t. IPA is not a popular tool besides for French and English, two languages maintaining a historical orthography that have low letter-sound correspondences. In fact, it was originally invented to teach English pronunciation to French speakers and vice versa. For many languages, this is a non-issue. When you learn a language, you simply learn how each letter is pronounced in the respective contexts. If you need sources for that, there is a plethora of teaching material to consult. However, it is near to impossible to disprove that the specific name “Cristiano Ronaldo” isn’t just the combination of those rules. If there were irregularities in this case, it would be certainly talked and written about. We can’t prove a negative. Piecing the symbols together according to the rules doesn’t add any opinion, but for you, this is already original research.

We all want to improve the article. When I saw the transcription, my only doubt was the first O in “Ronaldo”, as it contradicted the usual pronunciation rules. The rest looked fine to me and probably to everyone who understands European Portuguese. Even the two edits that had changed the vowel over the years didn’t touch the rest, so they were at least agreeing on that. When I pointed out the problem, I certainly wasn’t expecting the IPA to be removed entirely in the end. I presented you a source and had to convince you twice about its credibility, then you misinterpreted it in your edit and threw the whole thing away in another one. One single vowel needed to be changed back to its original state, that’s all what it was about. However, you’re making it harder than it needs to be. It’s sad that next time someone wants to know how to pronounce the name of the most famous Portuguese person in the world, they will have to fall back onto other language versions of Wikipedia. I feel guilty for having brought up this matter at all.

I’ve been focusing on the linguistics, whereas your argument has been revolving around guidelines interpreted in your favor to discard anything I present. I assume you aren’t familiar with Portuguese since you didn’t address my question about what parts of the transcription you found questionable. The blind obsession with sources has prevented a discussion about the actual content. There is nothing wrong with requesting sources, but I’m not going to explain to you how every single letter in Portuguese is pronounced, how vowels change in unstressed positions or how the L is velar. This is your homework if you want to be part of a content-related conversation. We have very different views on what constitutes as a valid contribution of a sound transcription and I don’t see how we can proceed and yield a result. --2001:16B8:3149:9900:D16:D865:A804:D2FD (talk) 08:26, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Honestly I don't know where this trend of including unsourced translations and IPA transcriptions started, but this file with a Spanglish pronunciation of an intended English pronunciation of a Portuguese name is the living proof of why users shouldn't include unsourced translations and IPA transcription to articles. Yes, user-generated translations and IPA transcriptions are more reliable than automatic ones, but secondary sources are preferred even there. Just because English speakers say /kɹɪsʃˈiənəʊ ɹɒnˈaldəʊ/ doesn't mean I have to add it to the page without a source. At the moment users started "edit-warring" between /ɔ/, /o/ and /u/, this became WP:CHALLENGED, and edit-warring over something that has no sources to verify is not OK. Today is that "o", but maybe I don't listen to a /ʁuˈnaɫdu/, instead I hear a /ɾu'nɐlðu/. Am I wrong? If so, can you prove I am wrong? Where's the evidence that say I could be wrong. The only sources that mention Ronaldo's IPA in European Portuguese is this Reddit post, and is unreliable. (CC) Tbhotch™ 18:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

ESPN's most famous athletes - Cristiano Ronaldo for 2019.

Cristiano Ronaldo was voted as the most famous athlete in the world by ESPN for 2016, 2017, 2018 as well as 2019. (http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/26113613/espn-world-fame-100-2019) SaurabhABansal (talk) 05:02, 22 May 2019 (UTC)SB

I don't know what you want to change. Please provide that. FluffSquad (talk) 23:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Quote

“The best there is the best there was the best there ever will be”- Bret Hitman Hart. I'm going back home in the morning (talk) 18:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: This page is for edit requests only I don't know why you decide to put a quote. FluffSquad (talk) 23:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Information box should be removed

The box containing information on Ronaldo's children in the 'Personal life' section of the article should be removed and the information should instead be replaced with a sub-heading called something like 'Ronaldo's children' or 'Family' as the box that currently exists is spoiling the alignment of the text on the 'Personal life' section, making the section look unprofessional in my opinion.

 Not done: I don't think so, in my opinion it would seem unnecessary for that as it would just take up more space. FluffSquad (talk) 23:45, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2020

Number of goals in Career statistics is not counted correctly. Number of career total league goals is not 460, it's 458. Because of this error, there is also error in total goals, which should be 646, not 648. 87.116.160.149 (talk) 00:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done Nehme1499 (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2020

Can request you unlock Cristiano Ronaldo's page?? Jogbanufe2 (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

It's unlikely that it will be unlovked, but you can request changes here on this talk page on the form "Please change X to Y", citing reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:33, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
  1. ^ "In den USA gibt es keine Verfolgungspflicht, wie wir sie kennen". Spiegel.de, 23. Juli 2019.
  2. ^ Anwalt sieht keinen Einfluss auf Zivilklage. Spiegel.de, 23. Juli 2019.
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