Talk:Crosby, Stills & Nash (album)

Location of Cover Photo== Can someone please add the details of the location where the cover photo was shot? (Otherwise we'll end up thinking it was 461 Ocean Boulevard.) Thegn 12:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The album cover was shot from a location in West Hollywood that has since been razed. It was an old abandoned house near the corner of Palm Avenue and Santa Monica Boulevard. 17:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)ARedPrincess 17:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal for Guinnevere

The content in the song article is adequately covered, or can be, here. Had the song a notable life outside the album, it might have its own article, but it doesn't. Hence this proposal. Rodhullandemu 23:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Credits Section

There are problems with the Credits section. Crosby declared in his book that he did not play guitar on "Long Time Gone" (and upon listening to it there is no rhythm guitar--the organ takes that role). The only rhythm guitar on "Marakesh Express" is an acoustic. "Guinnevere" has an electric guitar duplicating Crosby's acoustic; who plays that? I don't think Nash was a good enough guitar player to have played the rhythm on "Pre-Road Downs" and it sounds like Crosby's style anyway. There is a 12-string electric rhythm on "49 Bye-byes" that sounds like Crosby's work, though it could be Stills. There is additionally an occasional 12-string acoustic guitar on "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes;" Crosby?

Jim Gordon is listed as the drummer for "Marakesh Express" and Cass Elliot is listed on BGV for "Pre-Road Downs." Neither of them appear on the album credits and no source is given here. In fact, no source is given for any of the credits section.

The original album's credits are no help as they only list Stills, Crosby, and Taylor as playing anything (no details as to which songs, however), though it is clear that Nash plays "Lady of the Island."

Obviously, I would never edit this section based on what I hear. Without a source, however, I think there is enough doubt to warrant removing the song details. Does anyone have a source or a thought? Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 15:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Personnel credits for this album has proved very frustrating. The original vinyl album only listed Stills and Crosby (along with Dallas Taylor) as playing anything, even though anyone who knew the way these guys played knew that Nash played on "Lady of the Island."

The 2006 CD with bonus tracks liner notes list Still, Crosby, and Taylor, but also add Nash as playing acoustic guitar on "Lady of the Island" and "Marakesh Express." Nothing is said about Cass Elliot on "Pre-Road Downs" or Jim Gordon on "Marakesh Express," as some state.

The 1991 CSN box set does not have Pre-Road Downs on it to check for Elliot. However, "Marakesh Express" does list Nash on acoustic and Gordon on drums for further confirmation.

Problems solved, right? Not exactly. The same box set lists Crosby as playing electric guitar on "Long Time Gone." He even admitted in his book that he didn't play on that song. Stills has likewise gone on record describing how he sent Crosby home while he worked on it. Anyone with a good set of ears can tell that there is no rhythm guitar on this song. So the official credits in the box set list something that everyone knows didn't happen. Even the personnel listed on "It Doesn't Matter" by Manasses fails to list a bass player. It's there; someone played it!

This is the best I think we can do for now. If someone has a credible source for Cass Elliot singing on "Pre-Road Downs" or any other missing piece, it can be added. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 20:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I did finally find Crosby as saying that Elliot sang. Check reference. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The exacting song credits derive from the 1991 box set plus text from the Dave Zimmer book on CSN - OMG, using something that's not on the Internet. Also, songwriters tend to play on their own compositions as it is their song, of course, and they know where the chord changes are for everyone else to follow - not that Stills couldn't have picked up on any easily enough. Crosby's memory regarding what he did or did not play decades ago could be muddled, but it does indeed sound like there is no second guitar playing rhythm on "Long Time Gone." He could have played rhythm guitar on the track but it got buried in the mix or mixed completely out for the final version. For the time being, leave it out, but I am restoring the more detailed list of credits without that. PJtP (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Your smarminess ("OMG, using something that's not on the Internet") is unbecoming and wrong. If you paid attention to my resources, I actually bought the 2006 edition so I could consult the enclosed booklet and quoted directly from Crosby's book. I could go check Nash's book out of the library again to confirm what both Crosby and Stills said about "Long Time Gone" if that's necessary.

When we have these discrepancies between sources, why are we giving priority to the CSN boxed set? And I recently read Zimmer's book and don't remember this credit detail. I would have to look again.

You list Nash as playing rhythm guitar on "Pre-Road Downs." Listening to the track, there is no way. Besides the fact that the style is all Crosby, Nash was a poor guitar player at this point in his career as his work on "Lady of the Island," "Right Between the Eyes," etc. will tell you.

There is a rhythm guitar part on "49 Bye-Byes" that sounds like an electric twelve-string. Is that Stills or Crosby? Can't find a source to say. There is also an electric guitar doubling up Crosby's acoustic on Guinnevere; Crosby or Stills? No one mentions the second guitar at all. This (and the discrepancies between sources) is why I think that the best way to go is to leave the credits more vague.

But I'm not going to change what you've done. I have no interest in a pissing contest on here. I did good research and presented the best defensible credit section possible. But it's not my encyclopedia. Do what you want. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 14:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

The commentary needs more references

Especially the part about the albums influence. -- Beardo (talk) 04:50, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

History

The opening paragraph of this section sounds a bit too much like a tribute rather than encyclopedic. PurpleChez (talk) 14:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Bonus Tracks, 2006 release

If it's worth including in the main article, this is background to bonus tracks from the 2006 CD booklet [CD, Atlanatic/Rhino, 8122-73290-2]:

"When Warner Bros. came to us with this concept, we had to tell them that we didn't really have extra tracks from the first record," Nash explains. "We recorded what we recorded, and that was the record. We did, however, keep recording within that same year, and we did demos." Nash says he recorded two demos for "Teach Your Children"-the first, solo, and a second that appears here with Crosby. Crosby's gorgeous "Song With No Words" was recorded in late 1969 before the Deja Vu sessions and would later appear on his 1971 solo album If I Could Only Remember My Name ... For his part, Crosby describes the version of Fred Neil's "Everybody's Talkin"'-made famous by Harry Nilsson-as "Stills at his best." Stills' own moving folk ballad "Do For The Others," which later surfaced on his stunning 1970 eponymous solo debut, was recorded at the same time in Stephen's home studio in Studio City. "We found it, we mixed it, and here you go," Nash says. Agbneill (talk) 07:38, 2 December 2022 (UTC)