Talk:Dalmatian Italians/Archives/2008/January
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The name of the article
Dalmatian Italians? It means Italians from Dalmatia or what? People in Dalmatia self-proclaimed Italo-Dalmati (and not Dalmato-Italiani) in 19th century were members of the small Italian speaking minority in Dalmatia, however the ruling minority! Italo-Dalmati (Italo-Dalmatians!) can be separated in 3 different groups: Italian immigrants to Dalmatia from the age of Venetian Republic, Italian immigrants to Dalmatia in the beginning of 19th century and native Croats who were using Italian language (administrative language) in their common lifes because of their proffessions and education (until 1850's any other language was forbiden in the schools). According to numbers given by censi the last mentioned group was actually the largest in number and definitely not related to any kind of Italian ethnicity. This article is biased even beginning with its name. Zenanarh (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- I, of course, agree with this. The name is completely inappropriate. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- The "3 group summary" Zenanarh presents is plausible and perhaps true in my eyes (limited vision, of course). Nonetheless... they are ALL Dalmatian Italians. There is nothing incorrect about the title of this article. In addition, they don't necessarily need to reside in Dalmatia to be DIs- some of the other editors are proof of that. Mariokempes (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Aha now I get it. So I'm Dalmatian Englishman in that case since I live in Dalmatia and I'm editing eng. wiki? Interesting... I didn't know my homeland is such magical place. Ethnic groups are disappearing over the night and transforming to another just like that. Zenanarh (talk) 07:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- The "3 group summary" Zenanarh presents is plausible and perhaps true in my eyes (limited vision, of course). Nonetheless... they are ALL Dalmatian Italians. There is nothing incorrect about the title of this article. In addition, they don't necessarily need to reside in Dalmatia to be DIs- some of the other editors are proof of that. Mariokempes (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Your perspective on this is very limited and the "Dalmatian Englishman" analogy is testimony of this. I'm not about to start another pointless thread of discussion here, and I really have no interest in this article other than trying to keep it balanced. To be honest, I don't think it gets much traffic other than you three or four zealots. I'm gone... good bye. Mariokempes (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- This and similar articles are from the beginning written in totally biased manner. Actually I'm also trying to keep it balanced. Unfortunately you're not ready for objective discussion. As long as you relate Roman Empire (a half of Europe!) to Italy like it was Italian Empire or Dalmatia to Italy on Italia irredenta and Fascist Italianization basis and ideas from the first half of 20th century, there will always be three or four of us zealots and your reactions will be like previous one. Why don't you try with pushing such ideas in Wiki towards your western neighbours - France? That way you could see how many zealots are editing Wiki in France... Zenanarh (talk) 18:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Here it goes again ZenanarTh with his byzantinism:Italo-Dalmati, Italo Dalmatians, Italians from Dalmatia, Dalmatian Italians, ecc..ecc.. Even MarioKempes is gone! Another one who wanted a balanced article is gone...Now ZenanarTh and his friends Kubura,Direktor,ecc...got what they want: to have free hands to do whatever they want with the articles about Dalmatia, like this one on Dalmatian Italians. I will monitor all your posts with Croatian POV and refer to the wikipedian authorities and serious admins, be sure of that my "dear" Croatian friends....--Cherso (talk) 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Italian names of Croatian cities
Isn't it vandalism actually? Dalmatian related articles are full of this Italian approachment/appropriation... I can understand if it's used in historical context when cities had Italian administrative names in history sections. But using it almost everywhere like it's something normal in the articles, pictures, photos,... Wash machine! Zenanarh (talk) 17:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
For those who don't know: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements). Zenanarh (talk) 18:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Dux Dalmatianorum
On the Ascension Day in 998, Pietro Orseolo assumed the title of "Dux Dalmatianorum" (Duke of the Dalmatians), associating it with his son Giovanni Orseolo. It was an act of self-proclamation, Dalmatia stayed Byzantine province. Zenanarh (talk) 13:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)