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Notes

Several of the links in the Notes section point to Google URLs, not the original sites. Would someone with more experience than I have be able to convert them to direct links to the original sites? --67.185.161.202 (talk) 03:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

This article gives nothing about the structure and format of the show and only gives stupid stats and numbers about who has been on it and who has done well. more information about the structure, format, and history of the show is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.14.243 (talk) 17:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Revert

I undid the last change, the format was messed up. Jim Davis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfdavis668 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Want season score for all contestants

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but it would be great to have a season score total for all the contestants.. so we could compare performance across seasons -- neodem —Preceding comment was added at 19:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking of listing the cast for season one in alphabetical order, and then listing elimination order separately, then listing the season two cast alphabetically, with the elimination order separate. Does anyone have an objection? --JamesB3 02:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Just so it was easier to tell on the chart when a couple was elimated, I dashed out the score boxes for the weeks after the couple was eliminated. My only question is why are some scores in the table boldfaced? I don't see it explained anywhere. Dwp49423 01:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

The Hosts Need to be De-"Guy"-ized

The hosts of the show, particularly Samantha, say "guys" constantly. And they do so in reference to mixed-gender couples. They also say the word "amazing" constantly. This sort of Gen X speech pattern may be summed up thusly: "Guys, you did amazing. Guys, you look amazing, guys. Well, guys, the guys here danced amazing, so now it is up to you guys at home to vote, guys." Tom and Samantha need to be sent to a speech camp to learn how to speak a few sentences which don't include the words "guys" and "amazing." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.145.224 (talk) 22:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

What does this have to do with anything? Leobold1 (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Fan voting

Is it really so surprising or controversial that the fan (viewer) vote has so much latitude on this program? The elimination of Willa Ford wasn't totally unexpected (although it came at a time when she has improved to be of a similar skill level as Joey Lawrence or Mario Lopez, e.g.). She was in the bottom 3/bottom 2 in the first two weeks. I wasn't happy with the elimination, but I don't think it was inherently controversial either. In my opinion, the elimination of Vivica A. Fox previously was more surprising. And also, in my opinion, I am very surprised by Sara Evans' fan base that has kept her out of the bottom two; I haven't even heard of her before this program.

But this is a reality show where viewers have the most power to advance contestants. This is not a professional dance competition or a program like Star Search where judges have the only say. DWTS is in the same vein as So You Think You Can Dance, American Idol and America's Got Talent in viewer voting, but the judges' vote is also taken into consideration. With the new forumla for season 3 (which should be sourced), a 3-point difference between the top score and the bottom (27 and 24, translated to 14.92% and 13.26% in percentages) means that the viewer vote has more power in determining who advances than the judges. I have surmised that people like Willa Ford, Shanna Moakler, and Tucker Carlson, and from season 2 Kenny Mayne, Tatum O'Neal, Giselle Fernandez, and Tia Carrere don't have such a strong fan base as others. But that is my opinion, and I cannot claim that the preceding and the popularity of other stars is a controversy in itself. So to sum up, the DWTS competition is not controlled solely by the judges, and any issues involving viewer voting are to be expected and are not controversial.

All the sections about controversies over voting should be verified and have sources. Otherwise, the sections could be considered original research and may be deleted prudently. I don't want to be the one that has to find sources, nor do I want to delete the sections unless I have to. Tinlinkin 07:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well what I did now is take out the word "controversy" because that isn't the right word for the situation. I tried to fix that section up. (anonymous). 25 October 2006.

Good thinking! That was such a simple solution. "Controversy" was indeed too strong a word, but the fan influence was present and surprising. The section is now more neutral. Tinlinkin 11:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Voting systems fail at season 3 finals!

I don't know how to "cite" this, but the phone lines were busy last night and I couldn't vote. And all my efforts to vote online produced "server too busy" messages. I've seen some forums to this effect also, for example http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/49464/#comments posted by djdzia. Marc W. Abel 23:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Reality TV Magazine seems to be cover the various controversies pretty well,[1] including the recent TV Guide controversy.[2] If you don't want to bother with footnotes and Wikipedia:Citation templates, you can just use simple inline links. Dancter 23:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

^^^^^^^^It is true what is said above^^^^^^^^ I also tried to call in at 1-800-vote4-07 for mario, but it was busy! They should make sure that its possible to get through. I remember one week I tried 9 times and it was busy. I even waited for a while to see if the business would clear up. Is audiance voting better???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.92.34.166 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Since when are busy signals a "controversy???" If they were, then every single weekly American Idol vote of the last five seasons should be considered equally "controversial" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.186.109.106 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you checked the first page I linked to, the issue was said to be more than just busy signals. Dancter 23:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Splits

While I agree with the proposed splits in principle, they should be done so that the main page (this article) provides a good and substantial overview of the series. I don't have the time to commit to this at the moment. Tinlinkin 15:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you would split season 3 on its own and leave the other 2 here. It's no more in depth than the other two. -(anonymous), 18 November 2006

I never said "split season 3 on its own." I supported splitting all the seasons. But I get your point about length. Sure, this reality show won't likely be as detailed a show as So You Think You Can Dance (unless someone really wants it that way), but there is more prose in this article than with the parent article Dancing with the Stars and with the original series Strictly Come Dancing. If I were to split right now, I would immediately split off seasons 2 and 3. But I would also compose some nice summaries in their place. Tinlinkin 06:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest splitting this article in a different way. Create two separate articles: one for the statistics, and one for the controversy. Bluap 16:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Neither of these splits are appropriate, and they do not follow how other TV series are normally split up. The first is a collection of WP:TRIVIA and the second is a non-neutral fork. Tinlinkin 15:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Song?

Anybody know the name of the song in the commercials? jengod 00:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind: Le Disko by Shiny Toy Guns. Google-fu is powerful. jengod 00:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Could we list the song choices with their said dances, particulary the earlier season 1-5. Six and seven are fine. Also where are the musical guests and the songs they preformed for seasons 2-5? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Listing

Shouldn't the contestants be listed by first name, not last in the charts. They are never referred to by their last names when their names show up on the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.173.181 (talk • contribs)

Yes, but since this is an encyclopedia, encyclopedic tone dictates that using last names is more appropriate. Tinlinkin 18:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Using that strain of logic, Melrose Bickerstaff would be referred to as "Melissa" on the Cycle 7 entry for America's Next Top Model, since that's her given name. The decision over there was made to keep her as "Melrose", because that is how fans identify her. Therefore, we should keep the listings as encyclopedic as possible, but also recognize that it is a popular show and that many people will be visiting the page for that reason. SkittlzAnKomboz 04:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Season 4 phone numbers

Is it OK for me to list the telephone numbers of the Season 4 contestants? Unlike those on American Idol, they do not change from week to week. On the other hand, I feel I need to ask because there are some organized campaigns for the contestants and I do not want to feel responsible for their success or failure. - Desmond Hobson 17:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

It's true the numbers don't change. But per WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, adding phone numbers would be inappropriate for Wikipedia (as if the inclusion of existing trivia and statistical information isn't questionable enough.) Tinlinkin 18:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
What about noting that votes can be cast by visiting the ABC website? SkittlzAnKomboz 20:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
That would be acceptable. Tinlinkin 11:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Season 4, Week 3

Does anyone know who had the "best dance" for this week? It was the jive/tango week, and 4 couples were tied for first, so I was wondering who they chose to dance in the results show... Winner4600 17:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

It was Joey and Kym's tango. SkittlzAnKomboz 20:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Viennese Waltz

I don't recall seeing a Viennese Waltz competed on this show ever. I've watched since Season 2. Anyone know of one? If not, it should be removed from the list of the dances which are competed. Marc W. Abel 02:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm almost positive there was one season where the group waltz was a Viennese Waltz. I have all the seasons on tape – I'm a dancer and love this show – so I'll check my tapes and get back to you... SkittlzAnKomboz 04:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
It was once only in the U.S.: the second season as a group dance, but don't remember which week. It's probably the week before the first time contestants perform two dances. ABC lists the Viennesse Waltz as one of its dances, but I'll support the removal of VW as a regular dance. Tinlinkin 11:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Master P's "Low Scores"

I'm not familiar enough with tables to edit this, but the two "Lowest scores ever" that Master P received should be swapped if they are to follow the weekly order, like the rest of the entries. I would do it myself, but like I said I'm really bad at working the tables. =P SkittlzAnKomboz 04:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, but it could have been viewed by the original author as lowest to highest by season. Tinlinkin 11:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Prize money?

Is there a monetary amount that these celebs receive if they win the competition, or just for being in it? Either to their favorite charity, or to themselves for the endless hours of work each week? I can't seem to find any info anywhere on whether money is involved.Sithboy 03:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can recall, no monetary grand prize has ever been mentioned on the show, just the prize of the "mirrorball trophy". Tinlinkin 05:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I rewrote the Payments section to make it consistent with the original secondary source. The previous author based the payments section mostly on a referenced Yahoo article Reality Shows Pay with Resuscitated Careers Yahoo News, March 21, 2009] which in turn cited an article in TheWrap What Season 7's "DWTS" Stars Made TheWrap, March 20, 2009]. The original TheWrap article clearly applied to Season 7 and provided payments for 4 stars. No generalizations of any kind were made about other seasons or other stars. The description of the source was clear that the payments were "estimates" and the source was anonymous. The Yahoo article explicitly stated "nobody gets more than anybody else" and listed 4 stars from other seasons and said they were paid the same amounts. No support was provided for these claims. A comparison of my piece with both TheWrap and Yahoo will show that I rearranged and paraphrased the information provided by TheWrap and avoided the unsupported generalizations made in the Yahoo article and carried into the previous WP piece. I also corrected two erroneous amounts. GeorgeDS (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Video game?

I saw that a video game is coming for PlayStation 2 (November 13, 2007). Does any have additional information and should it get a separate article or be part of the main article on the show? best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

For the Wii too. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahanga (talk • contribs) 00:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Vandal

Under Season 5, a vandal put Mel B and Maks for winning.

Took it out.-yoshirox10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.36.234 (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

MORE INFO TO ADD

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADD THIS INFO INTO THE RATINGS CHART:

SEASON 5 AVERAGED 21.58 MILLION VIEWERS. THE DANCE SEASON FINALE HAD 24.234 MILLION VIEWERS. THE RESULTS SHOW FINALE HAD 24.875 MILLION VIEWERS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 18:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Please hit your "capslock" key. Typing in all-caps constitutes shouting. There are numerous resources here on WP for learning how to make edits correctly. Please use them. Your first stop: the "help" link immediately to the left. Thank you. Anastrophe (talk) 19:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I didn't mean to appear to be shouting. I was just asking. i know that you click the edit thing at the top and then edit the page, but the chart is very confusing and i just want to add that info to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
that's fine -no worries. what i'd recommend is to simply spend some time reviewing how the existing chart is laid out. often times simply cut-&-pasting the previous block of lines can be used to generate a duplicate line, which you can then edit. but the best part of the editing is to use the "show preview" button -that way, you can test and adjust and try things out – then see how they look before actually publishing them. i do this fairly frequently actually. alternatively, you can copy the chart from the edit page, then create a sandbox page and experiment there. oh, i should add – no, i don't know off-hand how to add the info to the chart either! but the best way for you to learn is by experimenting. maybe one day you'll teach me how to do it. One last bit of advice – if you add four tildes after your talk page comments ( ~~~~ ) it will be converted into a "signature" of sorts for your comments. better yet, sign up for an account. good luck. Anastrophe (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
When a policeman pulls you over for speeding, telling him or her that you didn't know you were speeding, and also you didn't know that speeding was against the law -- will not do you any good.
If you need to say anything, it is better to say, "I fouled up, I wasn't paying attention, thank goodness that I did not cause a wreck, and thank you very much for stopping me, Sir! (or Ma'am!)." This is much better than trying to be a "weenie" about it. 98.81.17.215 (talk) 02:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

SIMILARITIES THROUGHOUT THE SEASONS

why was this section removed?

"Similarities Throughout the Seasons Retired athletes: Holyfield in Season 1, Rice in Season 2, and Smith in Season 3. Ex boy band members: McIntyre in Season 1, Lachey in Season 2, and Fatone in Season 4. Models: Hunter in Season 1, Carerre in Season 2, Moakler in Season 3, Porizkova in Season 4, Finnessey in Season 4, Maran in Season 5, and Reed in Season 5. (Note: Maran and Reed were both members of Season 5, and were eliminated first and second, respectively. The same was the case with Porizkova and Finnessey, respectively.) Soap Stars: Monaco in Season 1, Rinna in Season 2, and Mathison in Season 5. Older Men: O'Hurley in Season 1, Hamilton in Season 2, Springer in Season 3, Ratzenberger in Season 4, and Newton in Season 5. Girl band members: Bryan in Season 5 and Brown in Season 5. Sports members: Kiebler in Season 2, Ali in Season 4, Ohno in Season 4 and Castroneves in Season 5. Disney Channel stars: Coleman in Season 3, Cyrus in Season 4, and Bryan in Season 5."

You can cite the cast members. If listing the cast member without citation is not allowed, then how come the cast members are listed in the individual seasons' pages? There are just some things you can't cite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 22:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It's unencyclopedic trivia. Anastrophe (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
This user 24.90.233.61 just seems to be a trouble maker. He or she has been blocked numerous times because of nonconstructive edits, see User talk:24.90.233.61 Jeanenawhitney (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Relationships

Would someone quit removing information from the section. The information regarding professional dancer Cheryl Burke and Matthew Lawrence is referenced and they are in fact a couple of one year and it is related to the show cause she danced the same season his brother participated and they also do the tour together which is when they were hooked up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woobears (talk • contribs) 05:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia is not a fan-site or a gossip magazine. That is trivia unrelated to the show. It doesn't matter if it's sourced, it's unencyclopedic. Put it in the associated articles for the persons in question, but it does not belong in this article. This is a matter of WP policy. Anastrophe (talk) 07:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This entire article can be debatably considered unencyclopedic trivia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Perfect ten tables

Sorting algorithms don't support tables with spanned rows/columns. Samer (talk) 20:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Stars giving back to the show

Should there be a part on the stars that give back to the show? Drew Lachey's helped host and done two pro dances, Kenny Mayne and Jerry Rice do DanceCenter, Cameron Mathison did a "Man on the Street" interview, Lisa Rinna helped with the announcement of the newest stars, and many more. Leobold1 (talk) 01:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Change of colors for scoring tables

There's been some talk at Dancing with the Stars (U.S. season 6) about potentially changing the colors of the tables, to make it clearer and for there to be less of a clash. Now seems like a good time to change things as we're in between seasons and the articles are stable. Here's my recommendation which I put on that talk page but thought I'd bring it here too. Feel free to make your own recommendations... I'm happy to make the changes to all six articles when something is agreed on. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 02:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

My color change recommendation

  • Using the medal standard for 1st/2nd/3rd and clearer color choices for the rest. I've also cleared up a lot of bad table syntax (why did all these DWTS tables contain a mix of wiki syntax & html? I've cleared out most of the html).
Red numbers indicate the couples with the lowest score for each week.
Green numbers indicate the couples with the highest score for each week.
  indicates the couple that was chosen to perform the encore performance.
  indicates the couples eliminated that week.
  indicates the returning couple that finished in the bottom two.
  indicates the last couple(s) to be told they would remain in the competition (according to Bergeron, they may or may not have been in the bottom two).
  indicates the winning couple.
  indicates the runner-up couple.
  indicates the third-place couple.
  indicates the couple was eliminate was chosen for the encore performance and came in last place with the judges
Team Place 1 2 1+2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Kristi & Mark 1 27 27 54 27 29 29 30 26+28=54 29+26=55 29+28=57 30+30+30=90
Jason & Edyta 2 22 27 49 23 29 27 24 29+26=55
29+23=52
 28+27=55
24+27+30=81
Cristián & Cheryl 3 21 20
41
 25 26 23 27 25+21=46 28+29=57
27+29=56
26+26=52
Marissa & Tony 4 18 21
39
 19 24 24 26 27+25=52 25+25=50 26+26=52
Mario & Karina 5 24 26 50
21
 24 27 28 24+27=51 27+26=53
Shannon & Derek 6 21 24 45 24 28 23 24 27+24=51
Marlee & Fabian 7 22 24 46 21 24 22 21
Priscilla & Louis 8 24 21 45 26 22 21
Adam & Julianne 9 15 19 34 21 19
Steve & Anna 10 18 16 34 21
Penn & Kym 11 16 17 33
Monica & Jonathan 11 15 15 30
It is an extremely impressive chart, and displays a command of the creation tools that are quite beyond me. That being said, it is a level of detail quite beyond the scope of this article. I would recommend that it be used in an article for a season-specific article. There is clearly a lot of info available for usage, which would prevent it from being a stub. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
They are only used in the season articles. The point of bringing it here was to make sure that interested parties had the opportunity to comment on the color change since it had previously been a contentious issue. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 22:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I see. Thank you for the clarification. :) – Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

What's with all the analysis?

Is there a real reason for all the analysis? Perfect 30's is one thing, that spans the entire show. But then it degenerates into a list of dances that have scored 10's, while moderately important, there are enough 10's to go around. Then it just gets silly with lists of "Lowest Score", "Best and Worst Score By Dance", "Best and Worst Score by Week", Oldest celeb, Most Bottom 2, and the goofyness goes on and on. As mentioned above, this is not a fan site. This is for information regarding the show, not worthless analysis of how many times a celebrity sweats. I'm gonna give it some time for rebut, then I'm gonna get bold and start cutting. Padillah (talk) 13:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree... have at it! PageantUpdater talk • contribs 00:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly as well. This is unreferenced original research with no indication of where the stats come from nor any support for its validity. It's a mess and it needs to be removed. I've tagged the section already. Wildhartlivie (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
That's it! It's gone. The Perfect 30 list is getting close to being spun-off or deleted altogether. With 43 entries (and at least one in every season) thus far it's not as difficult as it once seemed. Padillah (talk) 04:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
It is much improved, and it cut 19kBytes from the size, over a third of the article taken up by what is just basically original research and factoid manipulation. Bravo! I knew it had to go when I removed the latest stat addition: Most shocking elimination. Sheesh. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Come on, be nice. Some might say the same thing about the serial killer articles, and you would feel a bit put off by the comments (speaking of the SKTF, pls contact me about sth unrelated to this article). Deleting an amount of work that (clearly) took some time and attention to create is surely to cause an amount of sting to the author, so there's no need to slap the wound as well. We delete OR every day with nary but a mention in the edit summary. :) – Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Best and Worst Scoring Performances by Week

The finalists have all done three dances in each final, however Season Six's total out of 90 is the only three-dance total included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.162.170 (talk) 00:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Tour

Can someone fix the tour section? I dont' understand..."Drew Lachey will Meets the Tour..." Small5th (talk) 04:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Some issues

I can see that a lot of the article is stuffed like Mr Creosote, and we need to trim a lot of the extraneous info out. I would suggest that an alternative would be the creation of spin-off articles. I would do this myself (and it would be my first time creating an article – yay me!), but I thought I would get some input from the other users here. The article cannot remain in the bloated shape it currently is in, as it will never pass GA and FA in this shape. That should be the driving force, to my reckoning. Many other articles have numerous spin-offs (the Ronald Reagan article itself has at least 10 supplementary articles), and this would seem a prime breeding ground for such. The only alternative is an utter purging of this rabbit warren, and I think that would likely hurt the article in the long term. As usual, the normal rules of adding cruft would apply, and crufty OR would be beaten with the notched Baseball Bat of Common Sense™ +3
Towards that end, I suggest that some of the articles that could be created from these more specifically discuss the ranking system, the BBC snit about the decision-making process, etc. Is this show yet another rip-off of a show done in another country first? That would be a pretty good article, too. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

removing dances that earned ten

It certainly didn't seem like something that would exist in typical encyclopaedia and is not central to the article, but as long as it is not out of date I believe it has a place on WP. I think that all the scoring statistics should be moved to a different page, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosenbluh (talk • contribs) 18:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I really like the addition currently of the chart of all dances that scored tens, it gives further basis and background on how certain couples scored how they did. For example, Brooke Burke and Derek Hough's Rumba received a 26 in total during Season Seven, but they still received a perfect ten from a judge. 71.184.89.188 (talk) 04:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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Monday, Oct 27, 2008 Dance Show

I can't believe Carrie Ann with her comment to Ms. Leechman, "I can't believe we let great dancers go to receive such a performance from you." How absolutely rude! She's not so great herself. I would like to see as many seniors doing this type of competative dancing on a show along with the under senior age. What a wonderful show that would be. This family finds it so entertaining to watch both the old and young. Carrie was way out of line in her comment to Ms. Leechman. She needs to make a public apology to her.

Thank you, Linda Ritter

Chill out! It is unbelievable that people get upset when someone gets eliminated who was not – no way in the world! – going to be a member of the Top Three, anyway.
Sometimes, I wish that they could go ahead and eliminate two pairs of dancers all at once, and separate some chaff from the wheat.98.81.17.215 (talk) 02:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Expanded

Can we include the musical guests and songs preformed in the earlier season 2-5 since we only have seasons 6 and 7 posted. Cooly123 (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC).

Yes. Clearly, this is a page that needs to be expanded more. Heart-deco (talk) 09:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Some seasons 2+ still need more information.

How can the results be in when the show is still on?

The show still has an 50 minutes to go and the results are in. It is supposed to be live. We're in the Mountain time zone. Just curious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertr36 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Really?

Sheesh – this article has an insane amount of detail, but NO OVERVIEW. After paging down half a dozen times, I could find a list of precedent shows, a list of seasons, a list of dances, but no discussion of the general format, or even a direct mention that the show features dancing with professionals paired with celebrities.

I'll try to take a knife to this monstrosity this weekend, but maybe someone who's a bit more into this wants to take a crack at it first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.252.125 (talk) 02:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Jimmy Kimmel

There should be mentioned somewhere that after someone leaves the show they go on Jimmy Kimmel Live (an exception being Macy Gray).--Cooly123 16:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Specials/Spinoffs

We should list these like the U.K. does in the main article, Dance War with Carrie Ann and Bruno and that show with Drew Lashay (can't remember the name) and an upcoming show Let's Dance (based on the U.K.'s Let's Dance for Comic Relief}.--Cooly123 15:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Something about the list of "Top 10 Best Couples"

This is not so important for such a trivial (but Enjoyable!) TV show contest as this one, but for further elucidation, I need to point something out:
When ranking anything or anyone at all on a list of the Top Ten, Top Twenty, Top 100, something intersting happens whent there is a two-way tie (or more tied at the same place) for one of the position. I'll be more specific. In this case, there is a two- tie for Third place among the couples. Whenever this happens, they next position following Three is not Four, but rather, it is Five.
That is also creates a two-way ties for Fifth place, and in this case, the next ranking that exists is Seven. There are more two-way ties in the opresent list, but some of these would have been pushed off the bottom of the list.
Actually, I believe that the best thing to do is to number the standings correctly, as I have explained, above, and then change the name of the list to the "Top 15", the "Top 16", or even the "Top 20".98.81.17.215 (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

worst dancers

INCLUDE A SECTION FOR WORST DANCERS' AVERAGES'! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.125.164.77 (talk) 20:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Relay Dances?

Should the relay dances REALLY be included in the highest and lowest scoring dances section? They were only shown on one season for one week. Why show who got the highest and lowest score on the foxtrot relay if there was only one foxtrot relay performed in 10 seasons and only 4 couples performed it? The same goes for the other relay dances. Thanx XOXO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.125.164.77 (talk) 20:52, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Statistical Data and injuries/withdrawls

I've moved a lot of the statistical data to Dancing with the Stars (U.S. TV series) scoring statistics. There were far too many tables and section breaks in this article which made it very difficult to follow. Additionally, a lot of the statistical data for individual seasons are already included in that season's separate article.

Also, I've pared down the injuries and withdrawals section into paragraphs. This information is better suited for the individual season's article rather than using this main article as a dumping ground for each season. No need to duplicate extreme detail when a summary here is sufficient. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Country of origin?

I see the infobox lists DWTS' country of origin as the USA. Would it be more accurate to list it as UK? The show is the same although the title is altered, so I'm not 100% sure but UK seems the better choice. Andy Farrell (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Overabundance of trivial statistics

Per wp:not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information:

The statistical information about perfect scores that was listed in this article can all be found on each individual season's page. There is absolutely no reason to relist it here. Additionally, there is already a table that lists the winners from each season, and within each season the professional dancing partners are already listed with their celebrity counterparts. This incredible level of duplication and unnecessary statistic insight is not needed nor is it beneficial to the reader. It belongs on a fanpage, not here. Sottolacqua (talk) 22:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Name of article

I stumbled across Category:Dancing with the Stars (US TV series) while doing some category cleanup and noticed that this article name doesn't use Dancing with the Stars (American TV series), in contrast with that of Dancing with the Stars (Australian TV series). Any reason that is? It would make sense to keep both articles consistent with each other. — ξxplicit 22:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Navboxes

I was thinking about making a navbox for each season with the celebrities and the professional partners, what do you all think about that?69.137.120.81 (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

seasons 2-4

They need information about the musical guests and songs performed.--Cooly123 14:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

200th show

With this coming up during season 11, there should be both a section on the main page and the season 11 page.--Cooly123 00:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The 200th show is not until next week. The page currently reads like it has already happened.--Perfectprpl (talk) 04:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Partners chart

Why has this been removed? It was useful information, it could be hidden if removed for bulkyness reasons. LPMA (talk) 13:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree, I want the partners chart back!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.87.143 (talk) 01:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I re-added the chart since there was no opposition to re-adding it. Please explain logic for removing before removing it again. LPMA (talk) 21:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Scoring – Contestant Voting?

I think you mean to say "viewers can vote" or "viewers can vote for the contestants" rather than:

"contestants can vote during and immediately after each performance show."

Also, is the voting done during and after "each performance" or "each show." I have no idea what "performance show" is supposed to mean. IleanaDU (talk) 15:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Controversy

Why is there no controversy section in the article? This is Wikipedia, not a blog for the show. Let's see there is controversy over hacking the scoring system, between the professional dancers and the judges, and between the stars and the judges. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

First are there any reliable sources for any of these controversies. That would be the first step. Also, we don't generally create controversy sections since they usually become POV magnets. If there are any reliable sources for what you are mentioning it would be better to intergrate it in the article.--76.66.180.54 (talk) 04:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

How are the professional dancers paid? And who decides who they are paired with? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.1.71 (talk) 04:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Ratings?

there should be a ratings section with the season averages and season highs (highest rated ep of each season) for DWTS & DWTS: The Results [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.246.237 (talk) 22:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Partners chart

What happened to the partners chart?? And what happened to all the averages?? i mean like the winners last place ect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.17.95.12 (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

The partners chart was moved to List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors. Sottolacqua (talk) 01:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Dancing with the Stars (U.S. TV series)

This article contains an extraordinary level of unsourced WP:IINFO. I've made an effort to remove the duplication from this article and from information already part of List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors, which similarly contains a large block of unsourced statistics.

On the talk page of Dancing with the Stars (U.S. TV series) I've detailed the cleanup efforts and made a request for anyone to provide sources for scoring and other statistics. However, no other users have commented. The most direct request for statistics is dated 19 October 2011, and a second request was made today.

Is fourteen days from the original request a reasonable time frame to remove the unsourced WP:IINFO if no editors participate in the request for sources? I don't want there to be an edit war since the child articles for each season also contain the same level of detail and lack of sources, and there seem to be a number of editors who contribute unsourced statistics to the group of articles without providing the necessary backup.

Comments? Thoughts? Sottolacqua (talk) 13:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Per WP:BRD, remove whatever, wait for someone to revert you, and discuss. Hipocrite (talk) 14:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Per NO DEADLINE, removing information without making an attempt to source can be less than constructive. If you care enough about the article, you should reasonably care enough to some of the work yourself. But that does not excuse the other editors. Nobody should be adding unsourced information to Wikipedia. They should get an explanation and warning, and following the principle just stated, I'd be glad to help and do it. BRD has the intent that nothing other than this will serve as an effective enough warning to get them to do their work properly: unfortunately, in cases like this they editors typically go on as if they didn't notice, but it's worth a try; the least disruptive way is to try it first on a few items, in the hope that they'll also fix the others--it is especially convincing if you source a few yourself as a good example. (I agree that trying to do all of it yourself will remove their incentive. -- when I encounter this sort of thing--which, on PROD is pretty frequent, I fix a little, and tell them to continue because I'm only doing it to get them started.) . (of course, if you have reason to think the material erroneous or malicious, that would be another matter.) DGG ( talk ) 16:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
  • As there is no deadline, we can remove unsourced information at anytime. Until we can a reliable source, we shall simply leave the list out of the article. Darth Sjones23 (talk – contributions) 02:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
  • When (dubious) un-sourced information, that has been around for a while, is in a chunk or chunks, I often move it to the talk page. This means that if someone can source it it can go back without loosing the work. Rich Farmbrough, 12:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC).

Cleanup necessary

This article is filled with excessive, unreferenced statistics (WP:NOT#STATS). The over-useage of tables throughout this article also reduces the readability of the article. Every detail about the show does not need to be put into a table format, especially the list of presenters, judges and dance partners. The dance parters are listed with their celebrity partners in the List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors article—it does not need to be duplicated in a collapsable, garish, non-uniformly-formatted table here.

The Awards section also needs to be cleaned up and consistently formatted for each type of award. The Celebrity and professional partner injuries section really doesn't belong in the main article. Those injuries should be discussed in each individual season's article. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The Average Scores of All Couples section has been removed since it's a duplication of data already included in List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors#Competitors. No need to list the same info twice.
The remaining statistical information will be merged into the List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors article as well. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Professional partners chart

I removed the chart Plankton5165 added on 8 October. The sortable format of that chart isn't helpful when multiple seasons are listed in the last column and multiple celebrities are listed in the second column. The information is a duplication of what's featured in a better-formatted sortable chart in the List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors article. The last thing this article needs is another table with different formatting than the other 14 tables featured. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I made it because of sloppy lookout with the Nintendo 3DS Internet Browser through columns. --Plankton5165 (talk) 21:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Statistics section

This section is entirely unsourced and falls under WP:NOT#STATS. Does anyone have verifiable sources for the statistical information in these tables? Also, linking to earlier seasons is not a valid source as those score tables are also unsourced. Sottolacqua (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Anyone have acceptable sources for this information? Sottolacqua (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

My Ideas

I thing you should bring all of them back, because they're very visual, correct and easy on the eye! Sometimes, they're really interesting! Please, listen to me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.187.53.100 (talk) 02:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

This addresses none of the issues with WP:NOT#STATS and WP:VERIFY. Sottolacqua (talk) 11:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Reverting/slow edit-warring

Please stop reverting this article to a format that includes large amounts of data presented in poorly-formatted tables. The couples and their professional partners are already presented in a table in the List of Dancing with the Stars (U.S.) competitors article, and there is absolutely no reason to display the Presenters and Judges in a table format. These tables greatly reduce the readability of this article. Discuss issues here rather than slow edit warring. Sottolacqua (talk) 12:41, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Everything

What happened to everything? Like the rank of the team dances,Highest & Lowest scoring dances overall,all averages? Personaly I liked those. So what happened to them?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.234.70 (talk) 12:50, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Blame it on Sottolacqua(talk) – butchering this article and the individual season articles. --Mjrmtg (talk) 20:11, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
I personally liked the tables and I think they should be reintroduced. I think they help to get a good overview. -- Psycho91 (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Listing presenters in infobox

Please keep the oder of presenters in chronological order, with current presenters at the top then in descending order (don't put Brooke at the bottom when she is a current judge). Thanks --MSalmon (talk) 09:55, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Allison Haag????

Who is this judge called Allison Haag? WIll she replace one of the current judges? ANd hwere did we get this info from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.218.159 (talk) 16:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Just a bit of vandalism somebody slipped in, I've removed it. Thanks for pointing it out!--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Scoring Tables

A few months ago, the "Dancing" articles were completely changed into inconsistent and confusing formats. Since then, they have mostly been reverted. However, there has been something in the season articles that has always been a problem: the scoring summary tables. The format is used in the "Dancing" articles for all countries, but it appears to be a very random formatting job, created on a whim. Now during the undiscussed overhaul previously mentioned, the season 11 table was changed into an aesthetically pleasing format that was very easily readable. It lacked some items, which I have now added. I played around with this format and would like to present a proposal table to be used in all of the season articles for "Dancing with the Stars" (even international ones).

Summary of Scores and Results
Place Couples 1
 2
 3
 t+ p= 4
 5
 a+ b= 6
 a+ b= 7
 a+ b= 8
 a+ b= 9
 a+ b+ c+ d= 10
1 Jennifer & Derek 24 24 24 27 29 56 25 20 9 29 27 37 64 27 30 57 30 30 60 30 30 30 28 118
2 Kyle & Lacey 23 22 23 18 22 40 20 23 7 30 24 35 59 27 29 56 29 29 58 27 29 26 28 110
3 Bristol & Mark 18 22 19 18 14 32 18 23 5 28 24 33 57 24 23 47 27 26 53 27 25 25 27 104
4 Brandy & Maksim 23 21 24 22 26 48 27 26 10 36 27 37 64 29 28 57 27 30 57
5 Kurt & Anna 19 21 23 15 19 34 24 18 4 22 27 34 61 24 24 48
6 Rick & Cheryl 22 21 24 19 20 39 24 24 6 30 24 37 61
7 Audrina & Tony 19 23 26 24 22 46 23 24 8 32
8 Florence & Corky 18 19 20 17 18 35 21
9 The Situation & Karina 15 18 20 12 16 28
10 Margaret & Louis 15 18 18
11 Michael & Chelsie 16 12
12 David & Kym 15

Key:

  Judges' highest score in each round
  Judges' lowest score in each round
  This couple was eliminated
  This couple was the last to be called safe (they may or may have not been in the bottom two)
  This couple received first place.
  This couple received second place.
  This couple received third place.
  • Week Four: The judges provided two scores: one for technique, the other for performance.
  • Week Six: After each couples' individual dance, all seven couples competed in a group dance marathon. The judges eliminated teams one-by-one. The first team eliminated received four points, the next team eliminated received five points, and so on, with ten points awarded to the winner of the group dance.
  • Week Seven: The remaining couples were split into two teams. The first team consisted of Rick & Cheryl, Bristol & Mark, and Kyle & Lacey, who were lead by season six champion Kristi Yamaguchi. The second team, lead by season four champion Apolo Anton Ohno consisted of Kurt & Anna, Brandy & Maks, and Jennifer & Derek. Both groups performed a team cha-cha-cha for their first dance. Each couple then individually performed a dance for which they received a second score. Also, guest judge Emmitt Smith, Gilles Marini, Kelly Osbourne, Drew Lachey, Helio Castroneves and Mel B all provided a fourth score for the individual dances.
  • Week Eight: Having already known which specific dance they were assigned, each couple was only provided the musical selection for their second dance after performing their first dance, reducing the rehearsal time available to choreograph to only 30 minutes.
  • Week Nine: Each team performed two dances, one Latin and one Ballroom. In their Latin dance, the celebrity was required to perform a solo.
  • Week Ten: In the final week, the three remaining couples performed four dances each over two nights.

Now, the background colors are consistent with the dance style tables found later in the articles. The results of each week of competition are presented in a thin column after the scoring. In this case, I chose the light green color currently used to indicate "last to be called safe" and changed the orange "elimination color" to a crimson. In a season where a bottom two/three was announced, the blues currently used would be perfectly fine, in my opinion. The whole table should fit perfectly in an internet window, and I think it is very easy to understand. It looks well-organized, as opposed to what is currently there. Each round is now sortable, allowing the reader to see how the couples ranked per dance. Lastly, the header column has been formatted in a way that allows each cell in the scoring part of the table to be of an almost completely equal size, which definitely enhances the quality of the table.

Please let me know what you think! Leave any suggestions, color changes, etc. I hope that we can soon get around to changing all of the tables and improving these articles. Thanks! TDI19 (talk) 03:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Showing Professionals and seasons on

I think there should be an article on the front page that states what seasons the professional dancers were on. It could look the same as the host & judges seasons on. Please reply back if you think this is a good idea. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.58.103 (talk) 16:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Carrie Ann & Bruno?

Are Carrie Ann & Bruno really leaving DWTS after season 15? I googled it and couldn't find any articles on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.218.111 (talk) 01:09, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

0.5 Points

Are the half points being used every season now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.218.111 (talk) 21:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Contestants

Should/could celebrity contestants have "reality star" added to their header descriptions (Example: "Shawn Machel Johnson (born January 19, 1992) is a retired American artistic gymnast and reality star)? Happy Evil Dude (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

does anyone have the playlist?

i am a professional dj and would like to have a list of song titles and the type of dance preformed on the show. does any ony have a playlist? thanks terry@spectrumsound.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.29.71.204 (talk) 01:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Host section

That table looks awful. Is a table necessary to show something that can be said in three sentences?

Tom Bergeron has been the host for all sixteen seasons. In season one, his co-host was Lisa Canning. She was replaced by Samantha Harris for seasons two through nine, and Brooke Burke Charvet has been the co-host since season ten. Drew Lachey served as a temporary replacement for Harris during season five during her absence for three weeks due to maternity leave.

68.55.123.86 (talk) 01:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Support the change -- especially since an article should not begin with a table (prose only). --Musdan77 (talk) 03:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Support – The table format is not appropriate. AldezD (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hopo Solo and rigged show

According to the Huffington Post, a reliable source, Hope Solo in her memoir book stated that the judges chose the winners rather then the fans or people. I propose the following edit.

  • "According to the Huffington Post, contestant Hope Solo, in her memoir book, stated that winning celebrity contestants were chosen by the judges rather then the peoples' votes." [1] Cmguy777 (talk) 22:54, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
  1. ^ Yoder, Matt (September 27, 2012). "Hope Solo Memoir: 'Dancing With The Stars' Is Rigged, Winners Chosen By Judges Not Fans".
Interesting, but that article consists of Huffington Post saying that Radar Online said that her book said it. At the minimum, the source should be this Radar Online article, since all HuffPo did was parrot it, although a direct citation from the book would be even better.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Frye2387. The HP article did have a direct quote from the book I believe. I suppose Radar Online is a good source if that is where HP got the article from. Maybe a controversy section can be added to the article. Cmguy777 (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

"Controversy" sections are highly overrated. Something like this would fit fine under "Scoring and voting procedure".--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

That is fine, however, Hope stated that Max had slapped her. "Scoring and voting procedure" would be good place for the edit. Thanks. Cmguy777 (talk) 00:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Professional Partners – List For Most Wins

Would it be okay if either myself or someone else added a list under the graph table for Professional Partners? This table his huge for 18 seasons and requires the browser to be maxed to be able to view at least most of it, and scrolling left & right to get all of it. If one like myself would simply like to know which professional dancer has the most wins, has finished as runner up the most, and in third place the most, a list below the table showing this information would make this easier to read. I am not saying to get rid of the table at all, just place a list under it. This would require either myself, or someone else who is willing, to read through the table and take the information down. I would prefer to ask about doing this first, rather than taking it upon myself to add the list. Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk) 18:56, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Athlete wording

Very strange wording "In every season finale in which an athlete was present and was either tied for the top of the leader board or one point behind the leader, said athlete went on to win the season." What kind of an arbitrary tradition is that? It should say that "In the finale, whenever an athlete has been within a point of the leaderboard lead, they have gone on to win." But again, why a point? Why not two points or three points? Very odd. Why not something simple like whenever an athlete is in the final 3 blah blah blah... As it's written now it excludes athletes who are actually in the lead. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Season 19 Announced

It was announced that ABC will be live with Season 19 from Sep 22 to Dec 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.29.89 (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Unless you can provide a reliable source citation with this information—Google doesn't show any such announcement at the present time—the information cannot be added to this article. It's also best to wait on starting the individual season article until there is a bit more information than the start date. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Hosts section

What is the purpose of the collapsed table in this section? It is a duplication of the text directly above it. AldezD (talk) 18:23, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

A table like this (like the other tables in this article and other tables/lists, such as filmographies, in other articles) is a quick-view summary/overview. And the reason for collapsing it is because (per MOS:COLLAPSE) the info is covered in prose. However, it is not absolutely necessary, and if consensus is found here to not have it, then it will be removed. --Musdan77 (talk) 22:41, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Records

Please do not reintroduce unreferenced WP:IINFO/WP:FANCRUFT/WP:OR data to this article. The guidelines linked provide ample guidance on this type of content. AldezD (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Bindi Irwin's perfect scores, 7 or 8?

There is a discrepancy. We state she has a record seven perfect scores, but I count eight, and this source also says eight. Which is it? --

I see that there is a hidden editorial note at Dancing with the Stars (U.S. season 21) <!--NOTE: 7 is the correct number. The 30 Bindi Irwin and Alexa PenaVega received for their Charleston in week 9 is not included. They danced that routine as a team, and perfect scores danced by teams are not reflected in each individual celebrity's total.-->
What justification do we have for counting in this manner? Is there a RS from the official DWTS organization regarding this? -- BullRangifer (talk) 06:05, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Professional dancers and their partners

I appreciate the effort that has gone into this table. That said, the corresponding table for Strictly Come Dancing gets edited and reverted far too often. Moreover, also this statement "A total of 42 professional partners have appeared alongside celebrities" suggests the table is still incomplete. A table with 42 rows will be very cumbersome and maybe not worth it. Thoughts? Knope7 (talk) 00:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

The table looks to be more complete now, however it is very cumbersome and too wide for the page. I believe the table should be removed or altered so that it does not take up so much space. Knope7 (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Suggestions for a Dancing with the Stars Series

I've been a big fan of Dancing with the stars since it started. Just a suggestion for the next series... Get all the past winning celebrities on a the show and have them compete for the ULTIMATE Trophy, and for a great cause. I know that would be a big hit. I look forward to many more episodes of DANCING WITH THE STARS. 

                                                                             Thank you,
                                                                          Vera Nicholson  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.46.164.58 (talk) 17:15, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not affialiated to anybody responsible for films, books, music, etc. We are also not in contact with the stars themselves. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 17:43, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Charts for Pro Dancers

First, I want to start by acknowledging the hard work done by editors on the charts which I would like to discuss. I have enormous respect for the editors taking the time to diligent and accurately add this information. That is the primary reason why I have not deleted any of these charts.

I do think that having a chart with the name of every song danced to and the scores from judges for each and every performance for a competing pro is excessive. The current method appears to be to have a separate chart for each season that the pro competed. This means Tony Dovolani has over 20 charts. Pros like Mark Ballas also have an excessive number of charts and these charts tend to be lengthy. Is knowing the song Mark Ballas danced to on the second week of his season with Kristin Cavallari really significant to an article about his life? I tried collapsing the charts on Maksim Chmerkovskiy's page, which stopped working after a while and still required a lot of scrolling to pass the collapsed charts. I hid the charts on Chmerkovskiy's page weeks ago and there has been no objection. Is anyone interested in coming to a consensus for how to deal with these charts across all (or most) pro pages? Does anyone have an idea for where this matter should be discussed in depth? Knope7 (talk) 18:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Section "Injuries and health issues" = fluff

I've been reading this article for a while now, and it seems to me that the entire section titled "Injuries and health issues" should be deleted. The entire section is nothing but fluff that really doesn't add to the foundation of the article. Furthermore, other similar dancing show articles (in particular, it's parent show Strictly Come Dancing) don't include this type of extraneous information. Add to that the fact that the section has been tagged for verifiability for close to a year now. I thought about being bold and just trashing the whole section, but since this article has been going through a lot lately thanks to the recent S23 announcements, I thought I should ask others' opinions first. I welcome feedback from the regular editors who patrol this. - SanAnMan (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

It should be noted that the article was largely edited by fans, who thought that adding irrelevant and unnotable information would be good. I'd (or you, whichever comes first) remove it, but I want to hear some other thoughts before doing so. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑
Agree with above comment, and the more I think about it, the more the removal of the non-notable content makes sense with our guidelines, so I've done it. - SanAnMan (talk) 14:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
You beat me to it. Thank you. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 14:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
While you're at it, do you think the section "Records" should be deleted as well? It's already specified in the season articles. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 14:38, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Once again, we were on the same wavelength. I love it when editors can agree when fluff is fluff. - SanAnMan (talk) 14:47, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I recently went through and thinned out the section, removing some minor injuries. Some injuries have been very significant resulting in hospitalization or impacting the competition. I would suggest adding back the injuries that meet objective criteria such as 1) the injury or illness caused someone to withdraw, 2) the injury or illness caused someone to miss a performance or 3) the injury or illness caused hospitalization. That would cut back on the number or incidents listed while covering a topic that is very much tied in to the rules of the show. Knope7 (talk) 16:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I have added back the section on withdrawals as that was sourced. I do think removing so much information, although done with good intentions, needed a broader consensus. Knope7 (talk) 18:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Just noticed... season 21's withdrawal of Tamar Braxton is not show. This link shows ABC's announcement of it: http://abc.go.com/shows/dancing-with-the-stars/news/updates/tamar-braxton-leaves-dancing-with-the-stars-151111 Sad to see her go.

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Perfect scores: which dances count?

Do perfect scores earned in team dances count or not? I looked at Amber Riley's collection of 5 perfect scores, which has to count the team dance, and went to move Frankie Muniz to 2 perfect scores and add in Victoria, Drew, and Vanessa. But further checking shows no perfect (team) scores for Corbin or Jack (or even Brant) in season 17, who were on the team with Amber, so I think I may have used Amber as a guide when hers was the only one that was wrong. If so, please let me know; I'll be happy to revert those edits. Trio scores clearly do count. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:47, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Team dances seem not to have historically been counted, but we now have a disagreement on season 21. In the switch-up week, Carlos Penavega received a 39, including a 9 from guest judge Maxsim Chmerkovskiy. By contrast, his wife Alexa Penavega received a 40 that week; hers was referred to as a perfect score on the show, while his was not. Perfect means just that: 10 from all the judges. Carlos was not perfect. The argument currently seems to be that he got perfect scores from the permanent judges, therefore it should be perfect. I don't agree with it, and would like to know the opinion of others—whether we should stretch the definition of "perfect" in this case. Until we decide, however, I'm going to follow WP:BRD: the editor proposing this change has been Bold, I have Reverted the change, and it's time for Discussion. I will post a note to that editor's page directing them here. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:47, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
I see that Amber Riley, who was in the same position as Carlos, has properly been reduced in terms of her perfect scores, which makes perfect sense to me—it turns out it wasn't the team dance that was counted, but her Jazz dance that received a 39, and 39 is not a perfect score. We should definitely be consistent. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:49, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Picky note, season 25 Julianne Hough shown in timeline as Pro

But she wasn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egreena42 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Under the section "Records", the first sub-section shows the highest average scores,

But Adam Rippon from Season 26 is listed twice, once at 17, and again at 38. He was good, but that seems a bit much.

Also, the reordering tabs at the tops of the columns don't work. (at least for me on an older version of Firefox). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egreena42 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The page for DWTS 26 shows their average as 27.7, matching position 17. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egreena42 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Juniors

There should be a separate article for the Junior version as it is a spin-off from the main series so please don't list the judges in the infobox. MSalmon (talk) 18:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Now that we have more information a separate article can be created MSalmon (talk) 20:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Main article it’s should be its

In the main article it’s should be its when referencing starting its new season in September 2018 Jimspilman (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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