Talk:David Boren

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who keeps adding crap to this page? i just went through an extensive clean-up. please stop adding specious material. Waltersobchak 04:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What does it mean that a newspaper "sponsored" Boren's career? That notion doesn't make sense in American politics.

Someone familiar with this subject (i.e.; not me) should check out this brand-new article I came across: Boren family. I slapped a bunch of tags on it, but clean-up is beyond my abilities here. --Calton | Talk 00:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC) ______________________________________________________________________________[reply]

I can provide scans of these published materials if the Wikipedia editors will provide an email address where I can send them. In July 1993, the Texas Triangle, a gay publication, had an article quoting Queer Nation activist Michael Petrelis. Relying on Michelangelo Signorile's book Queer in America, Petrelis accused Boren of male-on-male sexual harassment. Observing that OU president Richard Van Horn announced his resignation in October, Boren began to campaign with the OU regents for the job. After he was appointed by them he announced his resignation from the Senate. All of this is verifiable fact. I obtained The Texas Triangle article from the Austin library. In 1995, former Rhodes Scholar W. Scott Thompson verified that Boren was homosexual in his book The Price of Achievement. Thompson, a Reagan appointee who came out as gay himself in the 1980s, knew Boren personally at Oxford. He later became a faculty member at Tufts University. Thompson also mentioned Queer in America in his book. The facts indicate strongly that Petrelis was right, and Boren gave up one of the most powerful seats in the U.S. Senate, with two years remaining on the term, because he was being outed and had to duck and run back to Oklahoma. (posted by Michael Wright, mpwright9@aol.com) ______________________________________________________________________________

SPONSORSHIP BY A NEWSPAPER?

A user asks the question: "what does it mean that a newspaper 'sponsored' Boren's career?'" Anyone who knows anything about Oklahoma politics knows that Boren has always been in tight cahoots with the tycoons of the Gaylord family, publishers of The Daily Oklahoman. That newspaper, called "the worst newspaper in America" by the Columbia Journalism Review, supported Boren in all of his political races since he ran for governor in 1974. The Gaylord family has continued to be his propagandist during his years as OU's president, following his resignation from the U.S. Senate. See the CJR for Jan/Feb 1999 for the "worst newspaper" article. It's in their online archive. It also reports a "multi-million dollar" tax favor which the corrupt Boren did for his Gaylord sponsors when he was a U.S. Senator. 129.15.105.120 03:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC) Michael Wright mpwright9@aol.com[reply]

Editors can email me for documentation of factual claims I have made.

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Dude, you are even on here? get a life man.

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I deleted material on the financial situation of the University of Oklahoma that was unsourced and/or misleading. The University's bond indebtedness has been increasing, but its assets have also been increasing. According to the latest financial statements of the Norman campus and the Health Sciences center, the University's financial situation has been improving for (at least) the last two or three years. In particular, the University's bond rating recently improved, resulting in a savings on interest paid on the bonds. The bonds were to finance a variety of infrastructure needs and research facilities; it's not clear what amount was used for new construction. It's also not clear exactly what this material, and the assertion that enrollments are declining, are doing in an article on David Boren. They would seem to be better placed in the article on the University of Oklahoma itself. Phorse 23:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael P. Wright is a cyber stalker, and is obsessed with DLB; and has made the outrageous and ridiculous online accusations blaming the 9-11 terrorist attacks on DLB —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okiewriter (talk • contribs) 06:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perot?[edit]

Someone recently mentioned to me that Ross Perot wanted this man as his running mate when he ran for president, but he declined. If this is true, it should be mentioned in the article somewhere. Andre (talk) 07:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SAE incident[edit]

@Mason.Jones: - given Boren's career (Senator, Governor, 20-year career as president of a major university, among other things) I fail to see how extensive coverage of the SAE incident can possibly be justified per WP:UNDUE. Guettarda (talk) 17:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To elaborate a little - this is already covered in three other articles, including one dedicated to the topic. The incident is notable, but it's not a notable aspect of Boren's career. Guettarda (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trying something else, since no one else has commented here. Guettarda (talk) 19:42, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "compromise" in your solution -- you have censored an entire paragraph pertaining to an important incident on the campus that President Boren has adjudicated himself. He has been interviewed about this on all major networks. WP's "UNDUE" protocol concerns the weight of viewpoints in an article, not whether to censor the entire subject outright, which you have done.Mason.Jones (talk) 00:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mason.Jones: - So you're saying that after a career spanning almost 50 years in which he served as Senator, Governor, and other important roles, this incident should occupy 6% of the word-count of the article? That's what you consider WP:DUE weight? And surely you've heard of WP:RECENTISM?

And don't make absurd accusations of censorship - I voted to keep the article, I argued in favour of keeping the incident in the main OU article - and I added a link to the "See also"" - a link, I note, you have chosen to delete from this article. Rather curious behaviour, I must say. Guettarda (talk) 07:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Whether the incident should occupy 6% of the article is not the issue. It can occupy 2% or 4%, at the end of a previous section (with no subheading), but nonetheless it should be retained in some form. A very emphatic administrative decision was made by President Boren, pertaining to a significant media event this year. This is not about the Kardashians; it is about a large U.S. university campus. To remove a well-sourced paragraph from an article and relegate it to "See also" is excessive "editing" on your part.Mason.Jones (talk) 15:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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