Talk:Debbie Currie

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 20:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Launchballer (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 217 past nominations.

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Launchballer 10:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • QPQ done. Hook is interesting and inline cited to The Independent, which is RS. Article is new enough (created April 15), long enough, and NPOV. Earwig returns 2.9% (violation unlikely). No image. Looks good! Chetsford (talk) 05:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Front a cover?[edit]

What does that mean? Jyg (talk) 15:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From the looks of a source I removed (see BLP edits thread below), it probably means lip sync. JFHJr (㊟) 04:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or fronted (guest sang/pretended to sing) for a band that covered. It's hard to tell, so I removed that language. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 04:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP edits[edit]

Greetings from WP:BLPN. I've performed a series of WP:BLP related edits. Of concern:

  1. One removal was because of the source purported to support the following: The single was produced by Matt Aitken and Mike Stock, the latter of whom had produced Tatjana Šimić's "Santa Maria" two years earlier, which had been bought into the charts. The source actually stated: So do we really believe Debbie Currie sang on that single? According to snapper Joe Bangay - who doubles as manager of Sinitta - it was his own lass. Series producer David Mannion and producer Mike Stock deny the claim. You decide...At least the programme established one thing. "I always thought Edwina Currie was the most unattractive woman in the world until I saw the programme," says one senior exec. "Now, after seeing Debbie Currie, I know how wrong I was"... (page 59 of 60; "Dooley's Diary") This was sheer original research and a mischaracterization of the source. It failed WP:V.
  2. Also disturbingly failing V for any purpose, the matter of my removal here This is one just ref-stuffing.

The author/s should stop and review remaining citations before proceeding. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 04:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JFHJr: Sorry, I've only just seen this. I note the WP:BLP1E claims at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Debbie Currie; she does technically meet WP:MUSICBIO#C2 but I'm in no mood to fight particularly hard for it, so I may well pull this on my terms. To answer your bullet points:
  1. Matt Aitken and Mike Stock should have come from 1997-06-07 (With Currie - the daughter of former government minister Edwina Currie - posing as a pop singer, the trio released a version of You Can Do Magic on Tomes' label Gotham Records, produced by Mike Stock and Matt Aitken.), my mistake. The rest of that section genuinely does come from 1997-06-14 (Mike Stock, who admitted that his Tatjana single Santa Maria was bought in two years ago but without his knowledge, was not a particularly impartial witness, he says.).
  2. The initial Guardian source was used for nothing but her full name being Deborah rather than Debbie, but perhaps ELECTION COUNTDOWN could have been used instead).
I will make a decision on pulling this after I've taken another look at the surviving references.--Launchballer 22:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for agreeing to review the remaining citations. Please do replace any content I removed, with the correct citation, and placed where it is most apparently applicable. A name, for instance, should probably be immediately cited in the lede; Deborah and Debbie are related but not the exact same, so in that aspect it wouldn't be ref stacking. I apologize if my comments contributed to your mood. I assume your good faith and look forward to your edits. I realize things are not always as I perceive or characterize them. Thanks again for your time and efforts. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 22:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My mood isn't to do with you, my mental health is poor at the best of times. The remaining refs check out, although "Findern" was in the lead but not the body and wasn't in any of the surviving refs, so I took that out as well, and merged the remaining sections. Newspapers.com doesn't go much beyond the late 1980s and Thefreelibrary.com doesn't have anything in RSes, but the Herald and Independent are solid and if During the campaign there were 47 press interviews, 62 night-club appearances, five outdoor festival appearances, 26 radio interviews, 15 TV appearances (step forward a well-fooled Richard and Judy on This Morning) and one walk-on PA at a football match. is anything to go by, there should be something else offline.--Launchballer 23:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you again. And even if only for your mental health, you are appreciated. I especially appreciate that you're open to the 1E nature of this subject, even if our mileage may vary on squaring "charted" with #86. If #85's mommy wasn't a Tory MP with tabloids entailed, would #85 from that year have an article here? And do they actually? There are no deadlines here. And I'm in no particular hurry to take any drastic actions. But I do foresee this as a best fit within the programme article, and have already added it there. Feel free to add there as it's relevant to the show. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 00:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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