Talk:Disney Consumer Products

Revenue number wrong

"Merchandise reaches more than 90 countries yearly and generated an estimated $40 billion at retail in 2010." Disney's total revenue is about $40 billion a year. From the 2011 Annual report [1], Consumer Products revenue was $3.049 billion. --John Nagle (talk) 20:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Fixed that, using figure from annual report. There is still "In 2010, the Disney Princesses franchise generated greater than $4 billion in retail sales worldwide." That's cited to the LA Times's "Mooney is credited with creating the Disney Princesses franchise, which now accounts for more than $4 billion in retail sales worldwide." That can't be the figure for one year; that's more than the whole division makes. Maybe it's cumulative sales. --John Nagle (talk) 17:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted multiple links to "kpoisson.com".

Rolled back a big addition of links to "kpolsson.com", which is "the online home of Ken Polsson, in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada." Probably not a reliable source. --John Nagle (talk) 19:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

That was not the only source if you bothered to look. When did The Los Angeles Times, Blooberg News, Business Week, wired.com become unreliable? The kpolsson.com website by Ken Polsson is fully sourced by sources including the New York Times, Business Week, Time (Canada), Forbes, Premiere and more. Spshu (talk) 17:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

The citations should be to the reliable sources themselves, not to a collection of references on someone's personal site. --John Nagle (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

You need to look again. Some of them were directly referenced to The Los Angeles Times, Blooberg News, Business Week, wired.com not the kpolsson.com website which you completedly remove dispite them not being kpolsson.com references. So I say again why are The Los Angeles Times, Blooberg News, Business Week, wired.com considered unreliable?

Because I am not linking to a "collection of references", I link to the list of references to show you that the site is reliable as he has done his research. Many entries in the "Chronology of the Walt Disney Company" has multiple references. For Example: "May 10 *Disney completes the first Silly Symphony film, The Skeleton Dance. [7] [13] [16] [23] (1928 [15])" that is 5 sources. Spshu (talk) 19:49, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. I restored the cited "History" section, but not the section with all the kpoisson.com links. --John Nagle (talk) 05:56, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Disney Consumer Products and DCPI should be different articles

The article clearly cites that Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media is a merger between Disney Interactive and Disney Consumer Products. I request that the Disney Consumer Product article be separate and standalone from the Disney Consumer Product and Interactive Media article. The article in its current incarnation presents itself as Disney Consumer Products, which is incorrect. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Then why did you move DCP article to DCPI? And you did so over a redirect (not sure how you pulled that off with out being an administrator). It was basic had DCPI with its own "sub-article". You just massively complicated things if that is what you wanted. In a merge one of the pre-merger organizations are seen as the surviving organization. Even you indicated that DCP was the surviving unit. You had language indicating that it was a "statutory merger" when then sources do not indicate any such thing.

DCPI has not received enough attention in major media to consider it notable enough for its own article (being only covered by the entertainment media), thus why it was previously a subarticle. Spshu (talk) 17:57, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Also this is the organization of DCPIM after merger, as you claim that DCP and DI did not exist after DCPIM despite the article indicating that both co-chair retained the president post of their previous unit :

• Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media (parent unit )
  • Disney Consumer Products (DCP)
  • Disney Interactive (DI)
  • Disney Publishing Worldwide (DPW moving out of DCP)
  • DCPI Labs
    • The Muppets Studio

So, yes, DCP and DI did exist under PCPIM. Spshu (talk) 18:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate you correcting my errors in regards to the merger process, but where is the citation for this organization chart? I'd like to evaluate it? regardless, that doesn't change the request of separating Disney Consumer from Disney Consumer and Interactive Media, if anything, this organization chart justifies it because it clearly highlights that Disney Consumer Products is a separate division. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 18:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

And here's the current corporate leadership of the company https://dcpi.disney.com/about-us/#leadership as you can clearly see, there is absolutely no indication of a Disney Interactive nor Disney Consumer Products title. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Sources for continuing DCP & DI:

• New Disney Segment to Combine Consumer Products and Interactive Divisions: "The new combined segment, Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media (DCPI), will be run jointly by Leslie Ferraro, Co-Chair, Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media and President, Disney Consumer Products; and Jimmy Pitaro, Co-Chair, Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media and President, Disney Interactive." "Disney Publishing Worldwide, ... will also report jointly to Ms. Ferraro and Mr. Pitaro." "The traditional consumer products portfolio—product development, licensing, retail relationship management, and more—will continue under Ms. Ferraro’s leadership. Mr. Pitaro will continue to manage social and mobile games, Asia games, online media and sales, and Disney Infinity."
• Disney Blends Consumer Products And Interactive Media Units: "Ferraro will continue to run consumer products ... Pitaro will still manage social and mobile games, Asia games, online media and sales, and Disney Infinity."
• Disney Merges Its Consumer Products and Interactive Divisions: "... under a new team Disney has dubbed DCPI Labs." "The announcement said that Disney Publishing Worldwide, also continuing to increase its use of technology in storytelling, would report to co-chairs Ferraro and Pitaro."

And no just because they are separate unit does not mean they get separate article as I pointed out about above regard notability. As I pointed out, this was just after the merger, as I had already changed the article to reflect a more recent DCPI organizational structure (the move of Maker Studios to DCPI Content). So, the point in indicating current (2017) corporate leadership regarding its organization in 2015, when there has clearly been incremental changes that are recognized in the article? Spshu (talk) 19:49, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

New Disney Segment to Combine Consumer Products and Interactive Divisions: That article was published on June 29th, 2015. That was before Disney cancelled Disney INFINITY and exited the first party video game development market. Disney INFINITY was cancelled on May 10 2016, Disney Interactive Twitter. This is their Twitter page. As you can see, their last Tweet was 3rd June 2016. A corporation like Disney frequently uses social media platforms for all its subsidiaries. The two pieces of evidence that I've provided counteract the citation that you've provided, which means that they are out of date. Disney Blends Consumer Products And Interactive Media Units: I remember this now, thanks for reminding me. But as I mentioned earlier, Disney INFINITY was still active when this merging of departments occurred, so it's an outdated citation. Disney Merges Its Consumer Products and Interactive Divisions: I understand that Disney Interactive and Disney Consumer was subsidised under Disney Consumer and Interactive Media, but now that Disney has exited the first party video game development market, Disney Interactive Studios alongside Disney Interactive was dissolved as legal entities because they fulfilled their purpose.

Clearly, both the Disney Consumer website and Disney Interactive website have been formatted to direct to the Disney Consumer and Interactive Media website. If that is not any indication of both those legal entities dissolving then I don't know how else to prove it... The way that you formatted the Disney Consumer and Interactive Media article makes it look as though Disney Consumer Products is still active, which it is not. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 22:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I've spoken with Ferret about this to see his insight, and as a result of his feedback, I'll retract the split request. However, the article has to be modified in order to demonstrate the accurate legal state of Disney Consumer Products, and the infobox for Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media has to provide more contemporary information about its corporate structure. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

No, you are modifying with out any knowledge of "the accurate legal state of Disney Consumer Products, and the infobox for Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media has to provide more contemporary information about its corporate structure."

Disney Consumer Products was not the object of a Corporate spin-off. It is not currently a separate independent corporation from the Walt Disney Company. The former units of DCP are still a part of DCPI as Disney Licensing, Disney Retail and Disney Publishing Worldwide. A California Business Search source was provide showing that DCPI is incorporated (and that DCP is still incorporated). From DCPI website and other sources provided in article the current (know) structure is:

• Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media (parent unit )

• Disney Licensing
• Disney Retail
• Games and Interactive Experiences

This straight from the about drop down menu at dcpi.disney.com and Leadership section (after taking away various supporting functions, finance, development, human resource, etc.). Spshu (talk) 13:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I've done some further research into Disney Interactive, and turns out that Disney are providing job opportunities for that legal entity hence validating that it is still active. Disney Consumer Products is harder to determine, because we see that the California Secretary of State labels Disney Interactive Studios as active despite Wikipedia displaying that it was dissolved (however, there is no citation indicating that Disney Interactive Studios was dissolved). https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Document/RetrievePDF - I finally understand the context of the divisions that you provided, apologies that it took so long for me to notice that. However, the company's subsidiaries should still be displayed in the DCPI company infobox, because they are companies that work under Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Studios. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 14:19, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that we were finally able to come to a consensus regarding the merger presentation in the article. Truth be told, it is one of Disney's more complex companies with so many companies to micro-manage within each division of Disney Consumer Products and Interactive Media. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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