Talk:Dixie Chicks comments on George W. Bush

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Procedurally closed as the article has been moved back to the original title, mooting this RM. If someone wishes to propose a new RM, feel free to do so. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 19:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Chicks controversy → Dixie Chicks controversy – I think we should move this page back to Dixie Chicks controversy. The logic is that they were known as the Dixie Chicks at the time of the controversy and every source covering the subject use that term. There is no evidence yet that the controversy will ever become known as the "Chicks controversy". Popcornfud (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, suggest speedy move as the article was moved without discussion yesterday. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support, also suggest speedy move. Article was moved without discussion and without justification. NomadicNom (talk) 17:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Per WP:CRIT, I think this is a horrible title for the page. The Dixie Chicks didn't have many different controversies- it centred around Natalie Maines' comments on George W. Bush and the War in Iraq. Better titles might be, "Dixie Chicks comments on Bush and Iraq" or "Dixie Chicks 2003 country music blacklist". -RomeW (talk) 09:56, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm open to using a different title that is more specific and descriptive, but I don't think either of those suggestions fit the bill yet.

"Dixie Chicks comments on Bush and Iraq" isn't concise, and the article is less about their comments and more the backlash they triggered.

"Dixie Chicks 2003 country music blacklist" is too specific (did they have country music blacklists in other years? Did they have other kinds of blacklists, like death metal backlist?). Also, there was no such "Dixie List blacklist" — instead the Dixie Chicks were placed on blacklists, such as the WTDR-FM blacklist.

Would "Backlash against Dixie Chicks" work? "Dixie Chicks backlash"? Popcornfud (talk) 13:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@RomeW Thinking about this some more, I think you're right that the "controversy" title isn't great. I'm wondering now if your suggestion of "Dixie Chicks comments on Bush and Iraq" or something like it would be the best option, even though it's much less WP:CONCISE. Any more thoughts? Popcornfud (talk) 04:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Popcornfud,

A few thoughts off the top of my head:

-Using what Natalie Maines actually said ("We're ashamed the President is from Texas"), since that became well known in the aftermath

-Dixie Chicks comments on George W. Bush, since most of the controversy centred around the comments on Bush and Bush was the target of Maines' comments

-Natalie Maines comments on George W. Bush, since Maines was the one who actually said the comments and bore the brunt of the backlash as a result.

I want to avoid using "backlash" or similar words in the title because they're leading. The title should describe what the controversy was actually about.-RomeW (talk) 06:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of those, I like "Dixie Chicks comments on George W. Bush", as I think it will be clearest to readers and the other band members explicitly supported Maines's comments. Any objections if I move the page to that title? Popcornfud (talk) 03:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and made the move. Popcornfud (talk) 04:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I approve anyway :). _RomeW (talk) 08:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]