Talk:Don Lemon/Archive 1

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Victim of abuse

Mr. Lemon just stated in a live interview on CNN that he was a victim of a much older pedophile when he was a child. He made the statement while interviewing members of Bishop Eddie Long's congregation about why they stand behind the Bishop.

66.87.4.73 (talk) 23:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

On exactly what basis was my edit deleted???

On March 24 I added to the article the following:

"In 2014, Lemon earned a DART award from the Columbia Journalism Review for five incidents of his reporting that the magazine deemed to be among the worst journalism of 2014: http://www.cjr.org/darts_and_laurels/the_worst_journalism_of_2014.php .Daqu (talk) 03:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)"

I notice that this has been deleted.

Columbia Journalism Review is the most respected publication journalism in the United States. If you happen to think a Wikipedia editor's job is to delete any truths that they deem against people that they like, then you do not belong here. Kindly undelete it. Otherwise I will, and in this case please go away.Daqu (talk) 03:31, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

White House Correspondent's Dinner Gossip

Lemon giving the middle finger to Wilmore at the White House correspondent's dinner is gossip and has no place in a biographical article in an encyclopedia. It is gossip sourced tgo a gossip rag (the Huffington Post), and outside of gossip rags there is no serious talk about it. I will therefore delete it again. Wefa (talk) 10:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Censorship

Why is this being censored. He was drunk on nationwide TV for the whole country to see and there are multiple reliable references for it. Shame on wiki! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.112.128.15 (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Controversial Views On Recent Events

In early, January 2017, Don Lemon tried to downplay a hate crime, the assault and battery of a white special needs teen(18 year-old) as if it wasn't, "evil". Four black individuals tortured the 18 year old man, forcing him to say things like, "I love black people". This should be added to the main Wiki of Don Lemon's page!

More objectively this should be: Title: Controversy Text: Don Lemon received negative reaction when on January of 2017 he commented on the assault of white undisclosed victim with a special needs, by a four African American teenagers, referring to it "not evil," by rather a case of "bad parenting." Assault take place in Chicago and charges were pressed on the suspects after they released the video publicly on Facebook Live.

Write down further controversial views of his on recent events below: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.27.243.249 (talk) 23:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

It's another case of wiki censorship. See the thread just above this one.2600:8805:5800:F500:9C9D:6AB3:CBF8:A317 (talk) 04:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2017

Add {{pp-blp|small=yes}}. 219.78.191.75 (talk) 08:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2017

187.184.220.123 (talk) 03:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Don Lemon himself, on his show on CNN tonite said he was 27 years old...How old is he actually..he does not look like he is in his 50's!

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —MRD2014 📞 What I've done 03:52, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Franklin Graham interview

Here's Lemon's interview with Franklin Graham, head of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Lemon asked tough questions, and the exchange was widely discussed in WP:RSs. Lemon asked Graham how he responded to an opinion piece in the Washington Post by Michael Gerson which accused Evangelical Christians who supported Trump of surrendering their values of character for political benefits. Lemon quoted the scriptures to Graham, and asked Graham how he could accept Trump's adultery and language, and asked him whether he believed the end justified the means. This is the link to the video; the transcript should be available in a few days. I think this belongs in the entry, as an example of his notable, much-discussed work.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/24/franklin-graham-lemon-president-affairs-sot-ctn.cnn
Trump amid affair allegations
CNN Tonight
Jan. 24, 2018
CNN's Don Lemon and Rev. Franklin Graham debate the difference between Trump's behavior and that of past presidents.
--Nbauman (talk) 16:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Don Lemon Picture

The picture @ the top of the article is really unflattering. He looks 100% better on TV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.203.27.39 (talk) 19:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I replied to this post a few days ago - in the affirmative. But somehow my reply has been lost or deleted. I didn't know that could happen. How come? O Murr (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Black hole theory

His question regarding whether Flight 370 was swallowed by a black hole even ended up here in Norway. Also international news sites singled this piece of journalism out as especially bad. Is it notable?

I don't think I can answer your question, since I didn't see that broadcast. (Are you sure he wasn't just saying that the absolute disappearance of all traces of the aircraft was AS IF it had been swallowed by a black hole? That he wasn't seriously suggesting that this had actually happened?) But I've noticed that your post is bare - it has no name, time or date, which I thought were always automatically supplied by WP. Or have they been swallowed by a black hole? One of my recent contributions to these Talk pages has been mysteriously disappeared. As if it has been swallowed by a black hole. Is a black hole hacking into Wikipedia? O Murr (talk) 03:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2018

Hello, I wish for you to add this to the controversies section. In March 20th,2014 Don Lemon suggested that Malaysia airlines flight 370 was eaten by a black hole 150.176.251.21 (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. Not supported by the source provided. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Don Lemon on Instilling Fear into Kids like they are Dogs (has no kids)

http://rhrealitycheck.org/ablc/2014/09/18/don-lemon-shouldnt-raising-kids-dogs/

Someone really needs to add a controversy section or criticism section here... this stuff is pretty outlandish, as was his actions yesterday regarding the rape victim.

This is not a reliable source. I listen to Lemon many nights, and this is not the tenor of this discourse. Bellagio99 (talk) 23:07, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Problems with controversies section

"In 2015, over 30,000 people signed a petition demanding that Lemon be fired from CNN following a controversial remark he made regarding police behavior.[clarification needed][21]" From what I could tell, the controversial remark was about the smell of marijuana, and had nothing to do with police behavior. Am I missing something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nevcoup1969 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2019

The following is a suggested edit for the controversy section (with 3 sources). While certainly a touchy matter, I believe this instance is well-documented and worthy of note. Also, chronology would suggest it’d be listed first.

In November 2012, Lemon feuded with actor ((Jonah Hill)) on both Twitter and CNN after a brief but awkward handshake during an encounter with him in a hotel lobby. Lemon surmised that Hill “thought I was [a hotel] bellman” and thought Hill “was a tool”. (1). In Hill’s defensive Twitter reply, he called Lemon a “12 year old girl”. The feud persisted for several weeks and Lemon claimed he was treated like “the help”. (2) In a February 2013 interview with ((George Stroumboulopoulos)) Lemon insisted “I don’t have a beef” with Jonah but still regarded his response as “a bit homophobic” (3).

(1) https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/cnns-don-lemon-jonah-hill-was-a-tool-for-ignoring-me-in-hotel-lobby-2012911/ (2) https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jonah-hill-don-lemon-twitter-388073 (3) https://www.cbc.ca/strombo/videos/don-lemon-on-his-twitter-feud-with-jonah-hill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zingerslinger (talk • contribs) 01:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

This is old and trivial. WP is not a newspaper, especially not a Page 6 newspaper.Bellagio99 (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Fair point for hollywood reporter. I have a real newspaper to replace it: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2230597/Jonah-Hill-lashes-CNN-anchor-Don-Lemon-accuses-actor-treating-like-help.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zingerslinger (talk • contribs) 03:03, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Full name

Is his middle name actually "Dilworth," and is his full first name "Donald"? On CNN on May 13, 2019 he said that his birth certificate has his first name as just "Don." 173.88.241.33 (talk) 01:52, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Sexual assault lawsuit

How should we best address the lawsuit filed today against Don Lemon? A man named Dustin Hice bravely came forward today to tell his story of Mr. Lemon sexually attacking him at a bar (from Newsweek: https://www.newsweek.com/cnns-don-lemon-sued-allegedly-assaulting-man-hamptons-bar-he-was-vigorously-rubbing-his-1454167).

"Lemon placed his hands down his pants and "vigorously [rubbed] "his genitalia," the lawsuit alleges. The host then shoved his fingers under Hice's nose before then proceeding to ask the plaintiff sexually aggressive questions, such as, "Do you like p*ssy or d*ck? Mr. Lemon, who was wearing a pair of shorts, sandals, and a t-shirt, put his hand down the front of his own shorts, and vigorously rubbed his genitalia, removed his hand and shoved his index and middle fingers into [Hice's] moustache under [Hice's] nose," the lawsuit said."

I want to make sure we treat this allegation respectfully as Don Lemon deserves the presumption of innocence, but also in such a way that we don't re-victimize Mr. Hice or discourage any potential other victims from revealing their ordeals of any similar behavior. CNN and Don Lemon have already attacked Mr. Hice, and denied the allegations contained in the lawsuit. Any suggestions to get us started off? The article is locked so I can't add it myself. 2600:1012:B02A:DAAB:30E8:4CEA:4F5B:8BE9 (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Dream on. Wikipedia is lousy with communists who will scrub any reference to this degenerate's crime in seconds after anyone posts it. 2601:647:4F00:81:DD65:946E:A075:B29E (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Don Lemon has previously demanded that 'survivors' of sexual assault be believed and that their stories be told, as established by his attitude to the Brett Kavanaugh allegations and his face-value acceptance of that accuser's testimony. By not telling the story of his accuser's actions we are violating Mr. Lemon's core beliefs as a journalist and human being. The protection to his page must be removed and well-sourced references to Mr. Lemon's survivor's story must be provided, in order to neutrally and impartially provide his complete and total biography. In the long run these accusations will be part of his biography on the page; attempting to shield him from their existence in the short run can only injure his page, as news outlets may be able to discern that his page is protected from any mention of this incident and this protection can become part of his permanent Wikipedia biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevolverOcelot (talk • contribs) 03:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is biased toward liberals so you’ll never find any mention of this sexual assault lawsuit. Wikipedia is no longer a valid source for much of anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.35.86 (talk) 15:07, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Death Threats for criticizing Trump-calling him a racist.

Don has been very outspoken in his disagreement with the Trump Administration’s policies on the border and Trump’s own divisive racist rhetoric. He received death threats from a white supremacist group because of it and had to file a police report. PlantLover51 (talk) 01:48, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Sources

Boucher, Vincent. "Don Lemon's Classics Go Coast-to-Coast: For the CNN Anchor, Flying to L.A. from New York to Hit Talk Shows or the Oscars Means Traveling Light--but Always Dressing 'preppy': 'I Think a Man Should Look like a Man'." Hollywood Reporter 424, no. 13 (2018): 50.

Carter, Bill. “Gay CNN Anchor Sees Risk in Book.” New York Times. (May 16, 2011): B8.

Lemon, Don. Transparent: CNN Anchor and Special Correspondent. Las Vegas: Farrah Gray Publishing, 2011.

Gabriella Paiella. "Don Lemon Files Police Report After Getting Twitter Death Threat." The Cut, 2017, The Cut, Oct 26, 2017.

Richmond, Sanford, and Bryant Keith Alexander. "The “Five Things” That Don Lemon Forgot to Tell White People: A Critical Look at Lemon’s Response to the George Zimmerman Verdict." Cultural Studies ↔ Critical Methodologies 15, no. 4 (2015): 265-70.

IN YOUR EAR: DON LEMON.(11:00-12:00 PM)(Interview)(Broadcast Transcript)(Audio File). National Public Radio, 2011.

"Don Lemon: Watching Palin's transformation." CNN Wire, 12 Sept. 2011. Gale General OneFile, https://link.gale.com/apps/doc/A274745069/ITOF?u=csustan_main&sid=ITOF&xid=6790762b. Accessed 3 Oct. 2019. Gale Document Number: GALE|A274745069 PlantLover51 (talk) 04:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Early experiences as an LGBT youth and the decision to come out.

I am working on this page for a class project and interested in these topics. The existing page is somewhat of an overview. PlantLover51 (talk) 01:46, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi PlantLover51! I saw there wasn't any reply to this, so I wanted to avail myself if you have any questions or otherwise need help. You can reply here (please notify me using {{u|paul2520}} or {{ping|paul2520}}) or on my talk page.

It looks like you have been able to make contributions, so I just wanted to put myself out there as a resource. = paul2520 (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

As of 11/30/2019, is Don Lemon considered a journalist or talk show host. Sources needed.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Many thanks all. I look forward to working together to establish the facts. Alain Alainlambert (talk) 04:38, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

@Alainlambert: Since you are the one who proposes to change the article from the current consensus version to state that Lemon's show is a "talk show" (from simply a "show"), it is YOUR responsibility to present sources that support the change. See WP:BURDEN. It is not any other editor's responsibility to find sources that contradict your change. General Ization ^Talk 04:43, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Please see my Talk Page. Best Alainlambert (talk) 04:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing on this page that supports your position. I am merely asking for RS for your position. Alain Alainlambert (talk) 04:49, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

There is no need to provide you with sources, since the consensus version does not include the change you wish to make. You must provide sources to support your proposed change; we (other editors) need not provide sources that argue against it. General Ization ^Talk 04:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

• Deadline Hollywood: Donald Trump spent his Friday night tweeting insults at Don Lemon and LeBron James after the CNN journalist interviewed the basketball superstar . . . Source:[1]
• Variety: After CNN anchor Don Lemon delivered an emotional criticism of Kevin Hart’s “Ellen” interview, the possible Oscars host has posted what might be a response to the journalist. Source: [2]
• People: He allegedly offered to buy Lemon a vodka cocktail called a “Lemon Drop,” though the Emmy-winning journalist declined . . . Source: [3]

All three sources are considered reliable per WP:RSP. KyleJoan^talk 04:59, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Guys/gals, today is 11/30/2019, please quote current sources. Best Alainlambert (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean by current sources? More importantly, is there a Wikipedia guideline/policy that defines what a current source is? KyleJoan^talk 05:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

All good. Here is the parallel: "In 1988, Alain Lambert was a teenager." That was accurate in 1988. Not in 2019. Please provide up to date sources for Mr. Don Lemon. regards Alainlambert (talk) 05:32, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

A journalist does not cease to be a journalist in the same way a teenager ceases to be a teenager. The title is based on their body of work, not simply the passage of time or their current assignment. You will find numerous sources that describe Lemon's body of work in the article, and that describe him as a journalist. Please stop wasting the time of other editors here. General Ization ^Talk 05:38, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

So you'd rather provide POV than RS? Come on, I'm only asking for a simple thing: what are the sources as of 11/20/2019 that state Lemon is a journalist and not an opinion maker. Is that too much to ask? Best Alainlambert (talk) 05:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it is; and it is becoming increasingly obvious that you are trolling for attention, not attempting to make any constructive contribution to this article. Your request has been answered; now give it a rest. General Ization ^Talk 05:49, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

OP blocked indef as more disruptive than constructive. General Ization ^Talk 21:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Feedback: Don Lemon

The article of "Don Lemon" is very well-written. It is cohesive, flows well, and gives information about important topics of the life of Don Lemon. In regards to changes within the article, I believe I would switch the topics around. For example, I would have early life and education before personal life instead of career. The topics career and honor and awards would be more cohesive if they were one after the other. To improve the article, I think more information is needed. For instance, more information regarding his early life and education. You can also add information if possible in regards to what led to his choice of career. In reviewing your article, I believe some similar changes could be made to mine, specifically which topics are one before the other. But overall, good work so far on your article. Cacebes (talk) 03:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your useful comments. I believe the organization of the article follows the customary template for Bios of Living People. Could you check that? Too busy to do it myself. Bellagio99 (talk) 15:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Cacebes: The order of sections in biographies are pretty much standardized here on Wikipedia, and this article follows those conventions. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography for information on those standards and how they have been developed. Also please note that this article has been edited collaboratively by literally hundreds of editors, so in referring to "your article" you should understand that no single editor is responsible for what you find here. General Ization ^Talk 15:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Unusual edits and deletions

Why is this page continuously white washed, Don Lemon has admitted many times to being left of center. Political commentator has been added a deleted numerous times. I thought Wikipedia was nonpartisan yet what I've noticed over the last couple of days is a bunch of progressive rewrites. Who's afraid of the truth? Ted Turners wiki is also missing a lot of information that would be deemed as not very nice but still very true. I'm worried truth doesn't matter anymore. Walker57259! (talk) 11:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

What is the reliable source being cited for the addition of political commentator? Larry Hockett (Talk) 11:42, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe a actual source is needed, if you have eyes and ears you can easily see that Don Lemon states his opinion more often then giving actual facts, in that way he is not any different than Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh Or Chris Cuomo. Don Lemon is a political commentator he was once a journalist but not anymore. He has continued to show his political affiliation. Walker57259! (talk) 12:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

The opening sentence describes the reasons why a subject is notable enough for a WP article and, like a lot of things involving living WP subjects, it is based on what reliable sources say. See MOS:ROLEBIO. If he were not a TV journalist, and instead was just some guy giving his political opinions, no one would care about him and he wouldn't come close to meeting WP notability guidelines. That's why it's just says television journalist in that spot. If it's open-your-eyes obvious that Lemon has this other job of political commentator, that will be found in lots of reliable sources. Larry Hockett (Talk) 12:29, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

This is the, what, third WP:SPA you've used to push that Lemon and Chris Cuomo are political commentators? That's your opinion and nothing more. CNN considers them journalists, which does not preclude their doing news analysis. That you prefer to term them political commentators, which is arguably more narrowly proscribed and done by experts on politics is, absent any reliable source, your opinion and will continue to be removed. You can describe the term as apt, complain about white washing, characterize our political leanings (and I could never be described as a progressive) and anything else you care to, but that won't alter the fact you lack reliable sources to back up your edits, particularly given your own political leanings, which are clear in your opening post. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 18:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Could somebody please add his full name??

His full name is Donald Carlton Lemon. Sources are [4] and [5]. More sources can be found by google. But less Donald, more Don. Although he was adressed live on cnn by Navarro as Donald. -- 93.238.223.214 (talk) 17:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Censoring edits

Hi, User:Bellagio99 I've seen complaints about this page seeming to be unnecessarily white washed and I honestly have to agree. I made additions to significant moments in his career, as well as things that people may want to erase to purify his page, such as a sexual assault allegation which should stand on its own and not hidden in his Career section, as well as a legitimate article from the Columbia Journalism review. Honestly most of the content under his Career section should not be there but instead in the personal life section (where he lives, past personal experiences, the death of his sister etc.) Also if we agree that he should be listed as "journalist", and not "news anchor" or "commentator" then we shouldn't wipe his controversial statements, or other criticisms from legitimate news sources. The One I Left (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How is his last name pronounced? Is it like the fruit or with the stress on the second syllable, the way T. Carlson pronounced it in his attack? Kdammers (talk) 14:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Another editor erased this question, saying the talk page is not for casual discussion. The question was serious and relevant to the article page, which does not indicate how the name is pronounced. The erasing editor wrote that it is pronounced like the fruit, but s/he did not give a source. Kdammers (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I listen most nights. It is pronounced like the fruit. By him or by others on the station. Bellagio99 (talk) 21:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I didn't erase anything. I reverted what appeared to be a chatty post about Lemon's name, not a serious attempt to improve the article, particuarly given the rash of vandalism to it recently. Perhaps if you'd been clear about why you were asking the question, I might have given you a reply instead of reverting. And why do I need a source? If you're demanding that, why not just go find one yourself instead of expecting someone to do it for you. Facepalm ----Dr.Margi ✉ 06:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Reinsert Lemon's Statement on Black Holes/Flight MH370

For some reason, users have decided to delete a longstanding sentence on Lemon's statements regarding Malaysia Flight MH370 [6]. As established by multiple RSs: [7], [8], [9], [10], Lemon speculated or engaged in conspiracy theories regarding the disappearance of the flight (e.g., black holes). Restore the sentence. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 04:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

First, this "longstanding sentence" is not longstanding. It was added in February 2020. Per the television segment, Lemon said "...a lot of people have been asking about black holes and on and on and on and all of these conspiracy theories...I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous? The original text said Lemon "posited" that "a black hole may have caused Malaysia Airlines Flight 370's disappearance." Posited, for reference, means "to lay down or assume as a fact or principle; postulate.. In the segment, Lemon did not say, "I think Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared into a black hole." The entire concept of the segment was based on Twitter messages from viewers that referenced the tv show Lost and the Bermuda Triangle. Lemon did not "posit" anything, nor did he engage in a conspiracy theory as you claim in your altered version of the text. Either way, including this manufactured controversy violates WP:NPOV, WP:DUE, and WP:BLP. KidAd talk 05:27, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:RSPYT, an unverified Youtube video is not a RS. As concluded by real reliable sources, Lemon did speculate that a black hole may have consumed Flight MH370:

• [11]: CNN's Don Lemon speculated that the missing Malaysia Airlines flight may have disappeared from the Earth because of a black hole. An Ivy League astronomer thinks that's unlikely.
• [12]: CNN has been struggling to fill its hours of rolling coverage of the Malaysia flight MH370 disappearance this week, leading it to at one point broadcast a panel discussion on the conspiracy theories circulating.
• [13]: Don Lemon gives credence to conspiracy theorists by asking an expert if a black hole could have caused the plane's disappearance
• Lemon, and CNN in general, had other mishaps covering flight MH370:| NY Mag
• As for the UNDUE weight charge, Lemon's blunder was considered one of worst pieces of journalism in 2014, according to |Columbia Journalism Review Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:49, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Include Comments on Electoral College

Restore [14]. This is not "misleading." Lemon said in clear language that "'We're going to have to blow up the entire system...You're going to have to get rid of the Electoral College,' Lemon continued. "Because the minority in this country get to decide who our judges are and who our president is. Is that fair?"' There is "no consensus on the reliability of Fox News's coverage of politics and science" per WP:RSP. But, it doesn't really matter since we have The Hill article as well. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 08:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

I believe it is neither appropriate nor accurate to synthesize the statements above to state in Wikipedia's voice that Lemon advocated for the abolition of the Electoral College. Furthermore, The Hill wrote that he only criticized it. KyleJoan^talk 08:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not SYNTH--both sources state the exact same thing. Yes, Lemon "criticized" the Electoral College. And he criticized the Electoral College when he stated, "You're going to have to get rid of the Electoral College...because the minority in this etc." If you don't like "abolition," what synonym would you prefer? "Dismantlement," "removal," "elimination"? Or we could say "Lemon rebuked the Electoral College"? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 09:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

The proposed statement as written does violate SYNTH, as it synthesizes an unfounded belief based on Lemon's statement in relation to his theory about having to blow up the entire system. Neither The Hill nor Fox News used any of the words you listed, so how would using any of them make the proposed statement any more appropriate or accurate? KyleJoan^talk 09:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

What "theory" are you talking about?? Please explain to me how "You're going to have to get rid of the Electoral College...Because the minority in this country get to decide who our judges are and who our president is. Is that fair?" does not mean, "we need to remove the Electoral College." I'll ask again, which word would you like to use? I don't believe we should plagiarize the article, so that's why I proposed we used a synonym to "criticize" such as "rebuke," since, apparently, we can't say that Lemon suggested we need to get rid of the Electoral College. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 09:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

The supposed necessity to blow up an entire system so that change happens is a theory, is it not? You're going to have to get rid of the Electoral College, he said, in relation to the system he referenced; the "you" in this is no one in specific, therefore, he was neither directing anyone nor professing an inclination to get rid of it. Likewise, asking whether it is fair is not the same as believing it should be abolished. Regarding synonyms, "rebuke" and "criticize" carry two completely different connotations; Thesaurus.com also does not list the former as a synonym for the latter. If we have to discuss the phrasing this much, then maybe we're trying to assign more context than the sources did. This occurrence has always fallen under WP:NOTNEWS to me. KyleJoan^talk 10:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

You're engaging in pure WP:OR. In no way, shape, or form, does Lemon, or any of the sources, state he was discussing a "theory." Lemon said "we're going to have to blow up the entire system". Who do you think "we're" is referring to? Then he states that you're gonna need to get rid of the Electoral College. Lemon unequivocally states the desire to get rid of the Electoral College. Stop with the useless semantics. I asked you what word you wanted instead of "criticize"--you never answered. "Rebuke" was a suggestion. How about "denounce"? [15] (BTW Merriam Webster lists rebuke as a word related to criticize). Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 10:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

You're right; I am engaging in pure OR, but do you see how I never proposed to include any theories I believe Lemon suggested? Who do you think "we're" is referring to? I don't know because Lemon never said; I don't believe it is appropriate to impose what I think he meant–in Wikipedia's voice nonetheless–and write what would be an unverifiable (and possibly contentious) statement. If it's not clear already, I do not support including this occurrence however it is phrased per NOTNEWS. You're welcome to open an RfC if you'd like. The one above seems to have generated a very productive discussion and consensus. KyleJoan^talk 10:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm gonna look past your sarcastic comment at the end. Since it's just the two of us, I've always wanted to try out Third Opinion. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 20:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

What sarcastic comment? KyleJoan^talk 00:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I will AGF and I trust you that you didn't mean to write a sarcastic comment. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Returning to the issue at hand, I agree with KyleJoan that the edit regarding Lemon supposedly espousing getting rid of the Electoral College has to go. I remember that discussion, and he did nothing of the sort. It's not uncommon for Lemon and Cuomo to bounce two sides of an argument back and forth during the transtion between their news blocks. At times, they take a stance, but they also throw arguments out and bounce them around to see how they stand up to scrutiny. Absent any context for Lemon's comments (and neither article cited provided it) you can't make an assumption about what Lemon's intent was. Unless he explicitly said he's in favor of getting rid of the Electoral College, which he did not do, you can't know what his personal views are. It's not uncommon that a discussion of the merits and demerits of the Electoral College comes up around a presidential election, particularly given the likelihood of one candidate winning the popular vote (as Hillary Clinton did) and the other winning the EC, which flies in the face of the one person/one vote principle we cherish. There's no basis for making the statement that Lemon advocated for doing away with the EC. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 09:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

RFC About Adding Lemon's Conspiracy Theory on Flight MH370

--Please see discussion and sources above--

Should we reinsert that Lemon engaged in a conspiracy theory on his show? [16], we should add additional citations, but we could remove that he was mocked for said statements.

In all transparency, I was involved in a recent arbitration enforcement, and one or two editors believed that adding that Lemon engaged in a conspiracy theory on his show qualified as OR or SYTH. I disagree and I don't believe they actually read the talk page discussion. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 01:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• No. My reasoning why the proposed material violates WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, and WP:UNDUE can be found in the section directly above this one. KidAd talk 01:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
• Yes My first impulse was to vote no, but after an examination, it is clear that there are pretty heavy and reliable sources to support this inclusion. It passes WP:RS. ~ HAL333([17]) 02:44, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I should clarify that I do not support it as written. I would like to see alternatives. ~ HAL333([18]) 21:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• No for the version ...engaged in a conspiracy theory that a black hole may have caused... thats not how the sources state what happened. But I agree to the reinsertation of the ...posited that a black hole may have caused... version. Gehenna1510 (talk) 00:16, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gehenna1510: How about something along the lines of "...posited a conspiracy theory that a black hole may have caused..."? Virtually all sources characterize his statements as a "conspiracy theory" in one form or another. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, they don't speak about a conspiracy. It would be more of a pseudoscientific or fringe theory, if it needs to be categorized at all. The theory already debunks itself. Gehenna1510 (talk) 13:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• No. For one thing, a conspiracy theory is not an action, so Lemon could not engage in one. For another, the discussion as removed lacks any context. Was this his own idea, or was he discussing the rumor mill? Lemon frequently mocks such suppositions, particularly during the transition between his news block and that of his predecessor, Chris Cuomo. I also agree with concerns regarding synthesis, original research, etc. This us just too silly for words. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 14:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
• No. It's pretty clear from coverage that he was not endorsing anything, but was discussing the rumor mill and nonsense that gets spread on sites like Twitter. IHateAccounts (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
• No. He is facilitating the conversation and was only presenting an issue for experts to comment on. It was probably cited so that it can be debunked. As the previous post stated, it was not his position. Darwin Naz (talk) 22:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
• No per Dr Margi's reasons. Idealigic (talk) 11:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• No. (Summoned by bot) I'd be open to mentioning it if it were properly sourced, but it isn't. Neither citation mentions Lemon by name. "Engage" is a problematic word as it says more than apparently he did. Coretheapple (talk) 16:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
• No, I do not see any reliable sources that state that he "engaged in a conspiracy theory". In a different direction, they say that speculated a cause for the disappearance for the flight. That can be included without the "conspiracy theory" part. < Atom (Anomalies) 11:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Don Lemon comparing Trump supporters to drug addicts

Added. and then immediately removed...Reaper7 (talk) 19:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

And with good reason. The edit grabbed the comment from a headline and presents it with no context. The source is unreliable as hell where Lemon is concerned and makes its own bias toward him clear with one sentence. It's a minimally important, non-notable quip made during the handoff from Cuomo that adds nothing to the article. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 16:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Don Lemon 'white men' comment

Don Lemon has stated that the biggest threat to the United States are white men. That is in no doubt racist and I think that there should be more about this than that "he received attention for stating that homegrown white supremacists were a bigger threat to the country than immigrants." He said white men, not specifically white supremacists, in the video, and this should be recognized. NorfolkIsland123 (talk) 19:44, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source discussing it, it might be usable. I have changed the section header per WP:BLP, which covers talk pages as well as mainspace. Coretheapple (talk) 14:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@Coretheapple: This happened in 2018: Washington Post, USA Today, Global News, Snopes, Deadline. Lemon's Wikipedia states: "In November 2018, he received attention for stating that homegrown white supremacists were a bigger threat to the country than immigrants." This a blatant whitewashing of his comments. He did not use the term white supremacists. He just said white men, with "most (so what about the remaining) of them radicalized to the right". "So we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them. There is no travel ban on them. There is no ban on, you know they had the Muslim ban, there is no white guy ban." Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

If if can be properly sourced then it should be in the article. Is there anyone disputing that point? Coretheapple (talk) 20:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I'd propose rewording it to something like "In October 2018, during an on-air discussion about the migrant caravan, Lemon received attention for stating "we have to stop demonizing people and realize that the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them. There is no travel ban on them."" The quote goes a little longer, but that is probably enough. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:59, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm pretty neutral about including this, but I'd like to suggest some tweaks to Vaselineeeeeeee's phrasing of the material. It would be more accurate to specify which migrant caravan was the topic of discussion because I don't believe it was about migrant caravans in general. In addition, the description "attention" seems ambiguous (and unsupported by the sources); "criticism from conservatives" might be more suitable per Deadline Hollywood, Snopes, and The Washington Post (as cited above), as well as the Associated Press, The Hill, HuffPost, and The Independent. KyleJoan^talk 02:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I think that's fair. We can link to migrant caravan#Late 2018 caravans. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Excuse me, isn't this user sanctioned for anything relating to the politics of the United States? - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 14:27, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2021

Change white supremacist's to conservatives. Not agreeing with Don Lemon does not make one a white supremacist. 2603:3021:374C:4000:C9C1:8EA1:9805:4D2B (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done I removed white supremacists due to it not being found in the source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:40, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2021

Middle name is Renaldo not Carlton 71.167.202.249 (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The middle name of Carlton is backed up with a solid source. —C.Fred (talk) 19:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2021

Change his full name from Donald Carlton Lemon to Don Renaldo Lemon Onemrwiky (talk) 15:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

According to Don Lemon his name is Don Renaldo Lemon

He make this statement in the podcast The handoff with Chris Cuomo October 21. 2021 7.“what’s in a name?” Minute 2:58..

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Podcasts are rather poor sources, but if you must, then please bother at least to give a full source, including a link to what is clearly an online resource. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not the person who wrote these original comments about the name, but I heard the same comment on the same podcast. Don Lemon said that Donald Carlton is not correct and that his name is Don Renaldo Lemon. The podcast is here, [19]. Chris Cuomo re-states the fact at 2:38 like the previous poster stated. Don Lemon states it at 2:33.– Kekki1978 talk 07:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Those two joke around a lot. Until there's a reliable source for Ronaldo, we have to stick with Carlton. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 07:38, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

wrong name

Donald Carlton is not his name. It is Don Ronaldo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.136.178 (talk) 14:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

On 2021-12-01, I heard Don Lemon claim live on CNN that "the internet" has his middle name wrong and that it is not Carlton. LibreLearner (talk) 03:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2021

The following sentence appears incomplete and does some significant editorializing compared with the source material: "He said that conservatives, like Sean Hannity, were among the first to call, which illustrated how they actually respect each other and have good relations, even though they disagree on the issues." Change it to this: "He said that competitors such as Sean Hannity, Joy Reid, Megyn Kelly, and others reached out to him with their condolences and he thanked all of them." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.123.66 (talk) 05:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done: The unsourced content was removed. There is no reason to include any of CNN's competitors' personnel by name in the paragraph about Lemon's sister's death here in the encyclopedia; certainly the minor mention at Mediaite does not justify it. General Ization ^Talk 05:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2019 and 17 December 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): PlantLover51. Peer reviewers: Fififofum96, Theinbetween909.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Is there a better way to write about this?

I added this and someone else removed it. Is there any way to rewrite this content in a way that would be appropriate for the article?

In 2013, Lemon received heavy criticism after he said, "More than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock." Politifact rated Lemon's statement as true. At the same time, Lemon also said that black people should finish school, pull up their pants, stop littering, and stop using the n-word.

Black Fathers Matter (talk) 23:11, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Alleged assault

Why is there zero mention of his sexual assault allegations and ongoing legal proceedings involved with them? Biased much? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Climbhigh23 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

This is mentioned in the "personal life" section. Per WP:BLPCRIME, A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. KidAd • SPEAK 18:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2022

While testifying under oath, Smollett claimed Lemon sent a text that the Chicago Police Department had doubts about his account of what transpired. Glkustoms (talk) 01:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 01:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Is Don Lemon a liberal?

Should the lead mention this? I want to add a wikilink similar to the first sentence on the Rachel Maddow page. - Shiftchange (talk) 07:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2022

There appears to be a misrepresentation/inaccuracy of the individual's political status.

While the status shows as an Independent, evidence clearly shows this not to be the case. Through his broadcasting it clear that he should be reclassified as a Democrat, even though as a journalist you would expect a neutral stance. While the entry remains Independent this misrepresents his position and is misleading

Thankyou 95.144.153.132 (talk) 09:08, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done People determine their own party affiliations. If reliable sources indicate that Lemon has decided to affiliate with a particular party, just provide the citation. Larry Hockett (Talk) 09:21, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

It is apparent that some facts that may not have reflected well on subject have been scrubbed from this article.

In particular, Don Lemon's being named "Worst journalist" in 2014 by the Columbia Journalism Review is nowhere to be seen in the article.

[20]https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/cnns-don-lemon-named-worst-760393/

2601:200:C000:1A0:A17C:2443:F1B1:45B1 (talk) 02:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

The designation was the opinion of one person who happened to be a Columbia Journalism Review fellow and staff writer. It was not a designation by the CJR, but a feature written by David Uberti (which was apparently discontinued when Uberti left CJR in 2017). The writer was entitled to his opinion, but his entitlement, or even the publication of his opinion in the CJR, doesn't make it notable, and it will be even less so now with the passage of 8 years since he expressed it. General Ization ^Talk 02:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this is an opinion piece by one individual person, David Uberti. If it belongs in this article, then it also belongs in Fox and Friends and Rolling Stone and 60 Minutes and Grantland and Time (magazine) and New York (magazine) and Breitbart News. Personally, I do not think that this non-notable individual's personal opinions belong anywhere on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 04:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

random section

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/457339-cnns-don-lemon-sued-by-hamptons-bartender-over-alleged-assault/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:2D2A:E000:E8CE:BEC2:CE74:BAF8 (talk) 11:56, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Missing award

In 2014, the Columbia Journalism Review awarded Don Lemon one of its "DART" awards for the worst journalism of that year: [21]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/27/cjr-dart-award-rolling-stone/20940309/.

That was included in the Don Lemon Wikipedia article in the past, but has somehow now mysteriously disappeared from any mention whatsoever.

Now, how could that possibly have happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:200:c082:2ea0:dda9:f293:8557:65ea (talk • contribs) 16:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Kindly proofread your contributions to avoid inflicting garbage on readers

From the introductory section:

"He is most recently serced a co-host of CNN This Morning alongside Kaitlan Collins and Poppy Harlow, before his firing from CNN in 2023."

I can't even guess what "serced" is supposed to mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:200:c082:2ea0:dda9:f293:8557:65ea (talk • contribs) 16:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

The typographical error has been corrected. Cullen328 (talk) 17:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! (There were at least two errors in the first five words of that sentence.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:200:C082:2EA0:DD10:A876:183B:7AF (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

image

Hey, @Rexxx7777, I'm not sure that image is actually better. It's only a few years more recent, and the previous one is a featured image, one of the highest quality we have. Valereee (talk) 21:05, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I've readded the old image as it is superior to the newer one both in resolution and in quality. I am asking everyone to please not replace that image without discussion on this talk page first. Thank you. — Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:23, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Nikki Haley comments

@The One I Left: you reverted[22][23] my condensing of the Haley comments section without explanation. This is a matter of WP:WEIGHT, and the WP:ONUS is on you, not me, to gain consensus for this content. I believe that it's fine to mention the Haley comments but it has not been established that there is a need for them to have their own section in this biography. Also, see WP:CSECTION. Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 15:41, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

You were right to condense. Nikki Haley, regardless of gender, in her 50s wouldn't be young and sprightly enough to be in the category of Olympic athletes. Even a man in his 50s isn't physically young. Lemon's comments were distorted.--2601:C4:C300:A210:1C30:C5A4:8D:5508 (talk) 15:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2023

Allegations of sexism and misogyny part need to be neutral, unbiased and not spread misinformation

He was asked why men sport make more money, and he did answer that people are more interested in men sport (in other words more people watch men sport that why it produce more money and it is a fact) Thepath12 (talk) 18:25, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Seems neutral to me - the line you reference appears to be already there, as well: In December 2022, Lemon was involved in an onscreen argument with co-anchors Collins and Harlow over the pay inequity in womens' sports. Lemon argued that "people are more interested in the men". Is there something in particular you see an issue with in that section? Tollens (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

The sexism section currently takes up 15% of the article. Lemon is an established television personality, and I strongly doubt that his alleged sexism accounts for more than low-single-digit percentages of secondary coverage of him.

I support trimming by just focusing on the notable incident (the February one) and moving it to the firing section, since there's a direct causal link (per the NYT). Right now, it's a poor WP:PROSELINE recitation of each controversy, regardless of lasting impact, and that's excessive. DFlhb (talk) 05:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

The allegations of sexism have received quite a bit of coverage in reliable sources, and the connection to the firing seems slightly speculative or not totally clear. Maybe the structure could be improved, or it could be trimmed, but I'll note those two things Tristario (talk) 05:41, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Fair points. Though I'll note the NYT article on his firing says the booking difficulties and audience decrease came "in recent weeks", and also says Lemon lost the support of network executives after the February remarks. The WaPo article on his firing also covers misogyny at length (link). I think the sourcing would allow us to get away with making the link implicit rather than explicit. And given the WaPo story that mentions many incidents rather than just the February one, I now think we should too (summarized to keep the length reasonable) DFlhb (talk) 06:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

On the contrary, I think the sexism and misogyny allegations are quite relevant and deserving of extensive coverage, particularly in light of his recent firing. Keep in mind that when it comes to liberal mainstream political commentary on TV, the viewership skews female, and also (like broadcast and cable tv news more broadly) skews heavily towards older people, so when he's making statements like saying that CNN's core viewer demographic is "past their prime," that's not gonna go over well with a lot of people, nor will him openly denigrating female colleagues on camera.....When it comes to specific statements, like saying that female athletes are paid less because they attract fewer viewers, it's not up to Wikipedia to decide whether or not that's "sexist," per se. We just cite reliable sources about what others have said about it. -2003:CA:8701:150:17F6:D8CE:9A0C:E340 (talk) 11:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

His full name should be mentioned

it's Donald Carlton Lemon 184.160.56.115 (talk) 22:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know, his given name was actually Don.

What evidence indicates that it is Donald? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:200:C082:2EA0:5DC1:F6A0:AB1A:E705 (talk) 22:07, 30 April 2023 (UTC)