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Camp

Why was the camp page taken down and is now being redirected to Glover's page? Its his debut album and is significant enough to have its own page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.101.11 (talk) 05:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Camp (album) appears to be up and running at this time. -Travis Thurston+ 01:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Layout

The layout is super scattered and confusing right now. Shouldn't it be broken up by acting, music, etc? Right now it is a jumbled mess. 02:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceeper (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2014

Please append the following sentence to the paragraph discussing the #donald4spiderman campaign:

Glover would later voice this incarnation of Spider-Man on the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series.[1]

You can use the same reference to source the character's inclusion in Glover's television filmography. 136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 03:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Truitt, Brian (August 26, 2014). "Spider-Man 'can be anybody' — and now he's Donald Glover". USA Today. Retrieved August 26, 2014.

different name in infobox

I've never seen an infobox name be different than the article name. He has two names but shouldn't they be common in the article? Considering his twitter is @DonaldGlover and his website address is iamdonald.com, it seems like he prefers that as his name. Has this been discussed before? —МандичкаYO 😜 18:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

tone of the article

I'm not sure if the `where is he now' section is up to wikipedia's standards of impartial tone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vmanis (talk • contribs) 03:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 29 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 15:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Donald Glover → Childish Gambino – I'm debating to myself whether his musical stage name or his actual name has more prominence. I can't decide, but in case there are people out there who think his stage name is more relevant, I'm setting up a move request. My personal reason to move it is because I think his stage name is more popular and that he focuses more on music than acting. 2601:8C:4001:DCF4:0:0:0:6561 (talk) 14:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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Birthplace

His Birthplace in the Article is listed as California, yet on the sidebar it says Stone Mountain, Georgia. We need to fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C43F:EA60:E887:2036:D878:B63C (talk) 12:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunatley, I think the Stone Mountain edit was a troll. 66.44.25.132 (talk) 20:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)


Indented line

I think this is now fixed (partially). He was born in California on Edwards Air Force Base, can someone add this to the "Early life and education" section.. page is locked from editing. [1]

actually it says he was born "in" Edwards AFB -- what does that mean? makes it sound like there is a civilian township surrounding the base and he was born THERE, in the base's shadow. if he was actually born ON the base (i do not know), pls change to "on".
neither of his parents are listed as military, btw. was his father a postal worker ON BASE or what? if not, it sounds even more likely he was born NEXT to the base. i don't think random civilians stroll onto bases to use their hospital facilities. 209.172.25.16 (talk) 07:55, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2255973/

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Centipede

It is a song. He said nothing about an album nor a tour, because his website is nothing but an email signup at the moment.

I don't know where you guys get this information, but it is wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.152.2.214 (talk) 22:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

"Glover released the song and video for "This Is America", which became a cultural phenomenon, "

That is a bit of a hyperbole, could we delete the part of being a cultural phenomenon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.195.208.76 (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Partner’s name

This is the closest thing I’ve found to a source about her name being Michelle White without participating in original research. There is a lot of original research out there on her ethnicity/ancestry, parents’ names, etc. But I won’t link it, of course.Trillfendi (talk) 13:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit requests, 12 March 2019

Category

Please remove the category Category:American tenors. It is unsupported by the article and must be removed per WP:CATV. 70.162.235.236 (talk) 23:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Category:American tenors is no longer in the article. NiciVampireHeart 10:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Everton

Please remove the sentence He supports Everton F.C.. It is unsourced, and added by a disruptive editor. 70.162.235.236 (talk) 23:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) 23:33, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Age incorrect by one year

At the time of writing this, his birth date is 19830925 and the current date is 20190928, which makes his age 36, but his age is showing as 35. I thought it may be a caching issue but I've now tried in several browsers (IE, Vivaldi, FF, FF Dev Ed, Waterfox), so I'm fairly certain it's an issue with the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.4.190.184 (talk) 22:36, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done It’s supposed to update automatically but sometimes it just doesn’t work so one just has to redo it. Trillfendi (talk) 22:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Hiya111 (talk · contribs) 18:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


I'm not really familiar with Glover, so I'm diving in cold with this article! Some of these points might be my nitpicking and personal style, so feel free to oppose certain points if you have a strong opinion. I hope you find them constructive. Thanks :)

Lead section

  • "Glover won various accolades, including.." - Could this be shortened to not mention each category of award? For instance, this might be enough, "His accolades include two Primetime Emmy Awards and two Golden Globe Awards". The categories he won could be mentioned later.
  • "The Lazarus Effect, Magic Mike XXL" - They're missing their year of release. What about mentioning film genres here? He's done a comedy, sci-fi, horror, superhero film. That might be useful to readers.
  • First and second paragraphs both begin with "After". For his Grammy Awards, could they be mentioned in the same sentence? eg. "Grammy Award winning song and video, "This Is America".
 Done Trillfendi (talk) 17:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Career 2006-10

  • "Glover was contacted" - How about "Glover caught the attention of David Miner, after he had sent writing samples to him.."?
  • "Invited him" - hired him?
  • What was the film Mystery Team about and how well did it perform? eg. He starred as a clueless detective.. The film did not perform well in the box office."
  • "became known to a wider audience" - Did he? I think we could jump straight into "Glover played Troy Barnes, a former high school star quarterback in the NBC sitcom Community" [...] He left the show after five seasons.."
  • "pursue his rap career as Childish Gambino" - Should you mention that's his stage name he adopted/generated? I know it's mentioned in the next paragraph, so perhaps omit the stage name from here.
  • "Glover's musical stage name" - Could we also mention that this was the start of his musical career?
  • "in 2010 and followed that July by his fifth mixtape" - This might need rewording.
  • "then-upcoming" - I don't think we need to mention it was then-upcoming.
  • "The campaign to see how far" - Could this be reworded to be more formal? eg. "The campaign sparked a viral response on Twitter.."
 Done Trillfendi (talk) 17:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Career 2011-14

  • "While doing musical side projects while working on.." - Do we need to mention that? We could just write: "Glover approached Ludwig Göransson, a composer he previously worked with on the series Community".
  • "In 2013, Glover signed on to create a music-themed show" - What does it mean by "signed on"? He was the creator of the series. Some background info in to how he came up with Atlanta might be interesting. It's about two cousins in the rap scene, right? (I know it's mentioned later, but might need to bring it up).
For chronological reasons (a lot of details of the show didn’t come out until years later) I believe the background aspect should be in the 2015-2017 section while the general parts are in that section. Trillfendi (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • "executive produce" - Personally, I don't like that term used as a verb. It sounds better as "serve as an executive producer".
  • "To promote the album, the short film Clapping for the Wrong Reasons, written by and starring Glover" - This might sound better if rephrased: "To promote the album, Glover wrote a short film Clapping for the Wrong Reasons which stars himself and.."
  • "Heartbeat" was certified Gold first in July 2014, then two years later in February 2016, Because the Internet was certified Gold. Might want to put this in order.
  • Do you think a little more info on the films is useful? Was he in a supporting role, who's the director, commercial performance?
As far as I know, Clapping was a short film released on YouTube. The director was Hiro Murai. The To-Do List doesn’t make much mention of his role so it probably was just a cameo. Trillfendi (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • "FX ordered the pilot" - Ok, so now we're going back to Atlanta. I assume between 2013-15, FX were developing the show. Perhaps we could signal this by writing: "After two years in the works, FX eventually premiered the first episode of Atlanta.."
According to Glover, it took about 3 years to develop the show which he says is typical. But because of his music career people thought it was delayed or something. So I will expound on that. Trillfendi (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • "Glover writes, occasionally directs, executive produces, and stars.." - This might sound better as: "Glover stars as Earnest "Earn" Marks [...] He also serves as director, executive producer and writer." I think it's a bit of a mouthful to have it all in one sentence.
  • What is the Pharos Experience?
 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Career 2018-

  • "released a single while performing dual hosting and musical duty on Saturday Night Live" - Do you mean he performed his new single, while serving as host and musical guest on SNL? Might need rephrasing.
  • "Glover's performance was widely praised" - Says who? It was only prasied by Stephanie Zacharek in that source.
For this part I added two other examples of reviews where they opine he was the best part of the film. Personally I haven't seen it so I wouldn't know for myself. Trillfendi (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
  • "Glover had been filming a secret project.." - Well, it's not a secret anymore and the details aren't unknown. Maybe this should be updated/removed, since one of the next paragraphs states that Guava Island was released on Amazon. What sort of film is it?
  • "in partnership with app PHAROS AR" - I'm pretty sure Google partnered with Glover, to make the app. What does the app do?
  • "expecting a second son" - They're not expecting anymore. We should update to the current situation, eg. "He and his partner.. have two sons".
 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Summary

Some of the language could be tightened to be more encyclopaedic and formal (which I can help with), for instance:

  • "shutting down media speculation" - ending media speculation
  • "talks about what is wrong with the music industry and why he wants to quit music." - the lyrics include [...], a reflection of his negative feelings toward the music industry"
  • "Time named Glover to its annual "100 Most Influential People in the World." - Glover was listed as one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World" by Time magazine

Also, the transition between paragraphs might need to be clearer. Glover is obviously doing a film, then releasing music, then a film again etc. I think some paragraphs should explicitly state what he worked on next, eg. "Glover'next project was a film..", "He returns to music in 2016 with live performances..", "After this album, he worked on a film.."

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

References

These references are broken or don't link to the right place: 12, 22, 36, 43, 71, 72, 79, 83 and 116 is missing title

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:39, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Article looks mostly neutral, stable and illustrated with images. That's all for a first pass! Hiya111 (talk · contribs) 12:36, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Trillfendi: Thanks for addressing my comments. I've just had a read and make some minor edits myself as it would be quicker. Let me know if you're okay with these as it's nothing major. I will have another read soon. This article is nearly, nearly there! Lizzy (talk 20:08, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey @Trillfendi: Once again, I've made some minor tweaks to the article. Before I pass this as a GA, please fix/clarify these points:

  • When did Glover become a member of Derrick Comedy? The lead section states he was in it while at NYU. But in the 2006 career section, it states "Glover also became a member of the sketch comedy group Derrick Comedy". I got a little confused.
I’m not exactly sure so I will look that up. I believe he joined the group toward the end of his NYU attendance. Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • "certified platinum accumulating 1,000,000 in album-equivalent units" - Does that mean the album sold one million units?
A few years ago RIAA changed the definition of platinum to include streaming (for better or worse), so that does need clarification. Basically 1,500 streams now equal one album sale. The source itself of the RIAA website doesn’t detail how it got there it just says 1 million certified units, therefore I will put that. Seems he sold both vinyls and digitals. Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • "the second to last show that we'll be doing before retiring the Childish Gambino pseudonym" - Is he retiring from music completely - do you know?
He hasn’t been very unambiguous about it, but a few months ago in a Jimmy Kimmel interview he said he still sees himself making music in the future because he enjoys it. So I think the pseudonym is the thing he is retiring... one of these days. Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Note: For consistency, I have changed all instances of numerical values to words (eg. Number 10 = Number ten). Tour names should be non-italics. I've changed them all.

Thanks, Lizzy (talk 19:44, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok I will address those shortly. Trillfendi (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I've just done a final read-through. As it stands, this article now meets GA criteria. Thanks for your work on this! Lizzy (talk 13:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

'Cancel' comments

The following text which I added On May 11, 2021 Glover criticised cancel culture on Twitter, particularly in regards to the entertainment industry saying "We're getting boring stuff and not even experimental mistakes because people are afraid of getting cancelled".[1][2][3] was removed twice by the IP user 2603:8001:6703:9792:54DA:D2C0:5795:21ED for being "False information. Glover did not criticize “cancel culture” - he criticized the cancelling of television programming" despite the fact the RSs say he did. Any other editors thoughts? Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 19:06, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Donald Glover says cancel culture is resulting in "boring" art". NME. 2021-05-11. Retrieved 2021-05-11.
  2. ^ "Donald Glover says TV and films are 'boring' because 'people are afraid of getting cancelled'". The Independent. 2021-05-11. Retrieved 2021-05-11.
  3. ^ McCarthy, Tyler (2021-05-11). "Donald Glover sparks debate after seemingly blaming 'cancel culture' for current slate of 'boring' TV and film". Fox News. Retrieved 2021-05-11.
Ultimately, WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Trillfendi (talk) 19:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
@Trillfendi: Given the amount of coverage these comments gathered I think it is worthy for inclusion: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 21:37, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
But encyclopedically it doesn’t necessarily augment anything to the article. It’s really just one sentence. If he elaborates further in the future then we’ll see. Trillfendi (talk) 22:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I do not really get what you mean by "doesn’t necessarily augment anything to the article" it seems to be a somewhat noted part of his views surrounding the entertainment industry which he is himself a part of (actor/musician). We include the fact he endorsed a political candidate and arguable that is less related to his main profession. I do not see why we should include it given its level of noted coverage.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 00:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
With regard to the statement as written, I agree with Trillfendi. This tweet sparked coverage because it "seemingly" (per Fox News) supported the right-wing hobby horse cancel culture. But the word seemingly does a lot of work there, since what he meant by "cancelled" remains unclear. Thus, as written Glover criticised cancel culture on Twitter constitutes WP:SYNTH. It is by no means self-evident that what he meant is at all synonymous with what one will find if one clicks through the link to cancel culture. The text could be repaired with some careful copy editing, i.e. attributing the interpretation to news outlets and adding the word "seeming", or simply quoting what he said without supplying an interpretation or a potentially misleading wikilink. But that would be a fundamentally different question. As written this is not an appropriate addition.
Also: saying We include the fact he endorsed a political candidate is a form of WP:OTHERSTUFF, i.e. not a compelling argument –– and in any case he did more than just endorse Yang. Whether his collaboration with the Yang campaign is notable can be considered on its own merits.
Also also (small point): criticised is British spelling. Per MOS:VAR, for an American subject the proper spelling would be criticized. Generalrelative (talk) 03:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I am fine with rewording if that is deemed necessary but to exclude these comments entirely based on the level the coverage they have recieved does not right. But the argument I was having above was either the comments in general are worthy for inclusion. The editor who removed it dissmissed the comments entirely as "false infomation". But yes looking over some of the sources again it does seem news media jumped to conclusion that he was talking about cancel culture which is something we should note.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 03:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Cool, yeah if you were to reword your RfC question below to reflect this nuance I could support it. The number of sources which reported on this would seem to indicate that it's notable. I'm just concerned that readers might come away believing that Glover is some sort of committed culture warrior when the evidence does not seem to support that at all. Generalrelative (talk) 03:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
How would you suggest rewording it? I mean the RfC below is just based on the simple include/exclude element rather than the specific wording. Wording can be sorted out later and can be mentioned in a specific !votes for the closer.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 04:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Well it would be difficult now that someone else has !voted. But my suggestion above was attributing the interpretation to news outlets and adding the word "seeming", or simply quoting what he said without supplying an interpretation or a potentially misleading wikilink. In practice I think the former would be more encyclopedic, so something like: "In a [date] tweet, Glover said [X]. This was interpreted by some news outlets as a seeming allusion to cancel culture." Generalrelative (talk) 14:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, to be clear, I was just !voting on the inclusion of the comments at all, not necessarily the wording. Scrolling through the reliable ones among the sources below, most seemed to say his comments were non-controversially referring to "cancel culture" (e.g. The Hill, NME, KNDU/NBC Right Now, The Independent's Indy100), and some others seem to say it is mostly believed that that's what he meant (e.g. Vanity Fair, The Independent), though toss up the possibility of it meaning to be cancelled literally as in having your show canned by your network. Note that things like Insider, NewsWeek, Fox News, Salon, and Screen Rant are not reliable sources here.
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to something of the form "[glover said X]. [reference to cancel culture]", though I think interpreted by some... as a seeming allusion is way more hedged than the way reliable sources tell the story. I would prefer something more like his comments were interpreted by [many news outlets] as referring to/a criticism of cancel culture." What I wrote is clunky, especially what I put in square brackets, but broadly speaking I just don't think the sourcing is there to introduce as much MOS:DOUBT as your suggestion does. Perhaps I should append this to my !vote below. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 14:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Volteer1 and Generalrelative: The wording of his views can be decided and determined at a later date. But currently some editors believe the views should be excluded entirely as seen below. Your views on whether they should be included or exlcluded would be appreciated below.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 03:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

RfC

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There's consensus against including these remarks in the article. Opposers doubt that they are WP:DUE or would pass the WP:10YT. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 09:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


Should this article include Glover's comments in regards to cancelling in the entertainment industry? 02:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

  • Yes his comments and statements surrounding cancelling in the entertainment industry (as Glover is actor/musician himself) have been picked and been covered by many reliable sources making it worthy and due for inclusion within this article. [14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29]. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 03:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
  • No. I feel like this is one of those times when extensive media coverage doesn't warrant the addition of the information to the article. At the end of the day, we're talking about some vague, off-the-cuff Twitter posts that were reported in the media as some sort of definitive choosing of the sides in the culture wars. But they remain in essence just a bunch of vague, off-the-cuff tweets. WP:NOTEVERYTHING applies. PraiseVivec (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
    I agree personally that they were kind of off-the-cuff tweets people shouldn't think is important, but that should not really be for us to decide. It's not so much our job to decide what aspects of a person are noteworthy to include in their biography, that's a job for reliable sources. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
  • No - per WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS. All the sources are dated May 11, with the exception of two. We are not a newspaper, we write BLP articles per the long-term, historical view, at this point, we have no idea whether his commentary will have any significant effect on his career or life. Just because content can be sourced (doesn't matter how many you find) and is verifiable, doesn't always mean it is suitable for inclusion, especially when the sources are all the same date. It's not a significant life event, leave it out. Isaidnoway (talk) 18:31, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
    What do you mean "doesn't matter how many you find". I am sure if there was just one or two passing mentions of this comment in one article of RS obviously it would not be worthy or due inclusion. But the fact that many RSs have dedicated articles surrounding his comments here demonstrate the noteworthyness of his comments, and that is is worthy and due for inclusion.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 07:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
  • No per Isaidnoway. It also appears that some of these articles used Glover's tweets to qualify their own or others' conclusions about cancel culture, which have nothing to do with his notability. KyleJoantalk 01:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
  • No WP:NOTEVERYTHING NOTNEWS how is this not celebrity gossip and diary? Tepkunset (talk) 22:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
    Because many RSs have dedicated articles surrounding his comments here demonstrate the noteworthyness of his comments, and that is is worthy and due for inclusion.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 07:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
  • No Unworthy of inclusion as it holds no relevance. Sea Ane (talk) 23:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
    How does it hold no relevance? It is his biographical article and it is views he has expressed which have been noted by many RSs in dedicated articles.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 03:02, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes Considering that reliable sources covered it (In this case The Independent - I would stay away from most of the rest), a single sentence on it would be reasonable. ~ HAL333 20:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
  • No – I am persuaded by the above "No" !votes. In particular, it seems clear to me that WP:RECENTISM applies here, especially the section WP:10YEARTEST. Generalrelative (talk) 22:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2023

Change "...and Culdesac, his third mixtape, was released in July of that year." to "...and Culdesac, his fifth mixtape, was released in July of that year." Brycenmusik (talk) 17:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cocobb8 (💬 talk to me! • ✏️ my contributions) 21:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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