Talk:Donda 2

Coming Out

Honestly kinda worried if it will even come out. Word started coming out at the start of the year, and now it’s coming out late next month? This soon from ‘Donda’? I think this will become another Yandhi, TurboGrafx, Good Ass Job… need I go on? 2603:6011:A400:897:C059:55BF:E9C0:B934 (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Whether it is or not will obviously be uncertain until the date or an announcement comes, but this has received significant coverage so the article can remain in existance. --K. Peake 07:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

"Sequel"

I dont know, but I am pretty sure you can regard Late Registration and Graduations sequels in a trilogy. 46.9.155.43 (talk) 12:08, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Leaked Song Names

Some of the names for the leaked songs are fanmade. For example, "Windpipe"is just what people called the song since it says the word windpipe in it 174.66.101.227 (talk) 15:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Donda II instead?

I like the way the roman numeral looks better, and plus Yeezus II also had the roman numeral, not the number, so I think it would be appropriate Nickiandyeoutsold (talk) 05:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Ye has called it Donda 2 or DONDA2 on Instagram countless times. - Nicenice23 (talk) 11:09, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Release Date

It would be better if the release date be February 23, 2022 - TBD instead of just February 23, 2022 considering that only four songs has been released, instead of the full album. Jrg (talk) 03:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jrgamer4u: I agree. TheCartoonEditor_{(he/him/they)} (talk) (contribs) 13:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

oh the rest came out ig Jrg (talk) 00:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Production credits

Are there any citations at all backing these production credits up? TreeLethargy (talk) 10:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it's just assumptions mixed in with social media posts from some people. I assume they're taken directly from Genius -Nicenice23 (talk) 10:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

"City of God" as first single

tl;dr "City of God" should not be listed as a Donda 2 single

"City of God" was released as lead single for Fivio Foreign's upcoming album B.I.B.L.E. through Rich Fish and Columbia Records. Even though the song is included on Donda 2 (at least on the currently available Stem Player release), there is little evidence that "City of God" is meant as official single for Donda 2. Ye himself has referred to the song as Fivio's single and the labels through which the single was released do not indicate any connection to Donda 2 or Ye. IMHO it should not be listed as official single for Donda 2, but with the relatively unique release strategy for Donda 2 it might be worth to discuss this issue first. Ragnarulv (talk) 12:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Reception?

What’s the point of adding reception right now? The album is currently unfinished and actively being recorded, honestly it even being fully released is quite a stretch as well! If we do keep the reception tab, we should leave the option open for reanalysis of the record once formally completed (as stated by West and his team) 2600:6C56:5800:1B03:8863:87ED:A853:A84 (talk) 02:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

HipHopDX in-text citation doesn't refer to what publication it was posted in, just the author's last name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.23.28 (talk) 19:31, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Recording date

The album's recording is listed as having started in January 2022 because that is what reliable sources confirm; please do not change this unless you can find a source detailing a different beginning date. --K. Peake 10:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Piracy

Should the piracy stats be listed under release and promotion or reception, as they are public reception so the latter can be titled without the word critical? --K. Peake 11:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Donda 2/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: FormalDude (talk · contribs) 09:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I will post comments here as I complete the review, which may take up to seven days. ––FormalDude talk 09:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments

• Per WP:CITELEAD, please source the last sentence of the lead that is potentially controversially.
• Wikilink pirated in the lede to Music piracy.
• Remove or replace citation #4 per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Asian_News_International.
• Remove record executive and.
• Track listing sub-sections 'Uncredited features' and 'Samples' both needs references for each bullet.
  •  Done for the above --K. Peake 10:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
• The first paragraph of the Music and themes section would more fitting in the Critical reception section. The last two sentences of the first paragraph at least should be moved.
  •  Comment: this info has been included here so the album's musical style is properly described and I have rephrased parts now, does it look any better-suited? --K. Peake 11:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
    • The last two sentences still seem to be critiques rather than commentary on the music or theme. I'll leave it up to you though. ––FormalDude talk 16:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
      • I removed the word "mettilicous" from the last sentence but the penultimate one does not seem like a critique, as it is a fact that the album has been called by the release team as a work in progress. --K. Peake 09:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
        • @Kyle Peake: Which source says the release team called the album a work in progress? ––FormalDude talk 12:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• The statement from the co-inventor that West intends to update the album is expressing a very similar point to this --K. Peake 13:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• Citation 1 missing authors.
  •  Done --K. Peake 09:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Citation 5 is dated Jan 4 but source appears to be dated Jan 3.
  •  Done not sure who added that --K. Peake 09:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Citation 6, 18, 19, 32, 35, 38, 42, and 48 missing wikilinks to Complex Networks.
  •  Not done per MOS:LINK2SECT, I directed Complex to the redirect to the relevant section for the online magazine, also see MOS:REFLINK to understand for this and the other instances that wikilinking more than once is not required. --K. Peake 09:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
    • @Kyle Peake: MOS:REFLINK states Citations stand alone in their usage, so there is no problem with repeating the same link in many citations within an article; e.g. |work=[[The Guardian]]. I'm fine with linking to the relevant section for the online magazine instead, but I'd prefer they all be wikilinked. ––FormalDude talk 13:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• Nowhere at the guideline does it say links need to be repeated --K. Peake 18:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• FormalDude I would also like to mention that I have been told to remove repeated wikilinks for citations in the past, so this would potentially lead to back and forth debates, also are there any more comments you have left? --K. Peake 10:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• Citation 42 missing author and date.
  •  Done --K. Peake 09:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Citation 9 missing wikilink to Pitchfork (website).
• Citation 10 missinig wikilinks to HotNewHipHop.
• Citation 11 and 23 missing wikilinks to Pitchfork (website).
• Citations 12 and 13 missing wikilinks to Rolling Stone.
• Citations 14, 16, 24, and 50 missing wikilinks to NME.
• Citation 34 missing wikilink to HipHopDX.
• Citation 36, 39, and 52 missing wikilinks to Billboard (magazine).
• Remove or paraphrase Donda 2 is the eleventh studio album by American rapper Kanye West. It was made available exclusively through West's Stem Player service, with the first four tracks being released on February 23, 2022. as copyright violation from https://noti.st/donda-2-album.
  •  Done even though the copyvio match was just over 20% anyway, which is considered an acceptable score. --K. Peake 09:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Spelling: eligiblity→eligibility.
  •  Done --K. Peake 11:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• In this sentence: "Due to the audio device having other functions than streaming Donda 2, the album is unable to enter any Billboard charts per the eligiblity rules." both the source you used and another source I found [1] say that it was unable to chart because albums sold with merchandise are not chart eligible.
  •  Done if this looks alright? --K. Peake 11:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Great! ––FormalDude talk 12:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Wikilink Emulators.
• American English: theatres→theaters.
• MOS: livestreamed→live-streamed and livestream→live-stream.
• Spelling: tracklist→track list.
• Spelling: fanbase→fan base.
  •  Done for the above --K. Peake 11:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Suggest making paragraph 2 of the Promotion and release section it's own subsection titled "Concert debut" or something similar, and moving it to the bottom of the Promotion and release section.
  •  Done used the title concert event --K. Peake 13:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Change "Stem Player co-inventor Alex Klein tweeted..." to "The co-inventor of the Stem Player tweeted...".
  •  Comment: why should I remove his name? --K. Peake 13:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
    • It's not necessary to name a non-notable person. ––FormalDude talk 13:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

•  Done --K. Peake 18:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Review

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

✓ Pass GA. ––FormalDude talk 18:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Track listing

It seems like the precedent for track listings on other albums on Wikipedia is to acknowledge the original track listing in all contexts, which in this case would include "Keep It Burning". One option would be to include it and "Eazy" in one track listing and put in parentheses which version of the album they are on, another would be to include both track listings in their entirety. That just seems to me the way it's done. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 21:17, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

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delete article?

ye has made no news on this album since march, we’re in the middle of may. i think it’s safe to say it’s been scrapped as this is the treatment his albums get when he decides it’s not worth his time anymore.

i think a new album will come about in the next few months and take the title of his eleventh studio album. Nickiandyeoutsold (talk) 16:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@Nickiandyeoutsold: Just because an album flopped doesn't mean it gets swept under the rug. I see significant coverage and no reason to delete. —C.Fred (talk) 11:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

d2 did not flop, it isn’t even released fully plus it sold 45k first week, and the only way to contribute to that number was to buy a $200 stem player which sold very well.. L Nickiandyeoutsold (talk) 12:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Nickiandyeoutsold: All of which is verifiable. So why delete this article? —C.Fred (talk) 16:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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Studio album?

Seems like a lot of revisions and zero talk so I took the liberty of creating a place to argue in good faith. Please everyone stop the live edit war. I'd prefer NOT to full protect this, since I suspect consensus can quickly be measured in this thread. I have no interest in a specific outcome. BusterD (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't really an edit war, just multiple experienced editors reverting changes that had been made by a single editor who misunderstood how the TYPE field in the Album Infobox works. It's also untrue that there was no "talk" about the dispute, as it can be seen clearly in the edit summary history. I think we straightened it out at that editor's personal talk page. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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"Studio" or "demo" album?

I'm asking this even though I have nothing against the current consensus for two reasons; to learn exactly where and how the decision for its classification came about, and perhaps to request if this could be considered a FAQ; I think a lot of fans would be a little confused of it called a demo, and not just by reviewers. I also found it very strange that a demo album is featured in a topic that usually consists only of studio albums when I feel it contradicts West's discography section of Donda 2 separated. Come to think of it, I'm asking as well whether Donda 2 should be removed from said topic as a result. Carlinal (talk) 05:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)