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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Dusty Springfield/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: SilkTork *YES! 23:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:


I'll take a look and start to give some initial impressions over the next couple of days. My views on GA and the review process are here, if interested. My aim when taking on a review is to have the article listed as a Good Article, and I'm happy to work with the nominator and other editors to ensure the article meets the GA criteria. I've had a quick glance at the article and it looks very promising. A reasonably well structured layout, a list of sources, a decent length for the lead and the article (not too short, not too long), and it seems neat and tidy with no obvious errors. Points that stuck out were:

  • a number of sections are rather short, and perhaps these could be merged more, to allow for a better flow when reading;
  • that, given their importance, both Dusty in Memphis and Son of a Preacher Man might be allowed more space in the article - Preacher Man in particular is accorded little comment at the moment;
  • there is a reliance on internet sources to the neglect of some solid print sources - [1]
  • that some of the internet sources have questionable reliability, while others, such as Allmusic, tend to be long on praise and short on accuracy.

These points may turn out not to matter, and even if they do, they can be quickly addressed. I have a feeling that this review should be pleasant and easy. SilkTork *YES! 23:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


  • Images. Green tickY The article meets the image criteria. The cover of Memphis can be used in the section dealing with that album - see WP:NFCI. SilkTork *YES! 00:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Stable. Green tickY There have been some minor IP vandalism, but nothing significant, and no need to protect the article. SilkTork *YES! 00:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Broad coverage.? I'm started to do some reading of sources to support what is said in the first section, and I come upon information about her dysfunctional family and her early tendency to self-harm which appears to have followed her through her life. I see there is a mention of it in the Personal life section - though some mention of it in the Early life section would be helpful, especially as it shows how the self-harm started, and perhaps where the roots of her alcholism came from as her family were heavy drinkers. I think the Early life section could be developed a bit more as it is useful and interesting material. SilkTork *YES! 09:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Prose quality.? The prose is clear and the article is easy to read and follow, often presenting a lot of information in a short space. There are, however, some occasional errors (north London instead of North London), and occasionally an awkwardness in expression, or use of casual language ("bogged down"). Some reviewers list the errors as they find them and get the nominator to make the changes. I tend to make the corrections as I go through, though would welcome someone to go through with an eye to copy-editing - especially toward the end of the review. The errors are slight, and if there are no other problems with the article, would not prevent this becoming a Good Article; however, they are worth attending to as part of the general improvement of the article, and - in conjunction with a number of other problems - would contribute to a fail. SilkTork *YES! 09:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • MoS.☒N Few articles meet all the MoS criteria when first nominated. Thankfully, it is usually not difficult to put things right. See Wikipedia:LAYOUT#Body_sections regarding the short sections used in this article. Other aspects of MoS are met (well done!), though, while the WP:Lead does pass, it could benefit from tightening up on organisation and presentation as part of the ongoing development of the article. SilkTork *YES! 09:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Sources.? There are sources, and these are suitably organised in a reference section. There are a very few statements that are not sourced, and the quality of the sources needs checking, so this is not a pass yet. Some of the online sources appear to be amateur or fan articles that would have gained their information from other sources - it would be useful to cite the original reliable sources than the fan articles. For example, this source is used when this or this are more reliable and both give her age as 12 rather than the 11 of the article.
I don't think the article has any original research issues, though I tend to leave a decision on that until later when more background reading has been done and sources have been checked. SilkTork *YES! 10:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
The quotes in the Illness and death section each need sourcing. SilkTork *YES! 10:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Neutral.? The article is mainly neutral and unbiased - a difficult thing to achieve when the main writers are fans. Though there may be a slight tendency to praise, or see the good side of Springfield - such as the statement: "Her male colleagues who were unused to women taking control in the studio labelled her difficult to work with", which is putting a quite possibility inappropriate rationale to "excuse" Springfield's behaviour, and the source is a lesbian social network site rather than something more academically reliable. There appears to be a number of reasons given for her being difficult - her own insecurity and low self esteem stemming from her upbringing are those cited by reliable sources, that she was a woman in an oppressive man's world is cited by fan sites. There may be an element of truth in both views, though when selecting a source we go for the most reliable, not the one we personally agree with, otherwise a certain amount of bias enters the article. SilkTork *YES! 10:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

On hold

This is a very decent, informative and well presented article on a significant and important topic which attracts over 1.5K readers a day. Full thanks and appreciation are given to the significant contributors to this article, in particular User:Erikupoeg, the main contributor who has worked on the article for 2 1/2 years, User:Kinkyturnip, who made a series of edits in 2007 and 2008, User:Bounti76, who made on and off contributions from 2006 to 2009, and User:Dunks58 who has worked on the article since the start of 2006.

There is some copy-editing and simple tightening and tidying to be done, along with checking and improving sources. Mostly minor, niggly things: the article could be expanded and fleshed out in places, particularly the early years; and a close edit to ensure that there is a more appropriate balance - it leans a little toward eulogy, nothing significant, but a bit of stiffening in that regard, especially as this is such a highly visible article, would be appropriate regardless of GA status.

I appreciate that I am being a little vague in what needs to be done, and giving advice on how to move forward, so here are the priorities as I see them at the moment:

  1. Improve layout per Wikipedia:LAYOUT#Body_sections by merging sections and subsections together-- Done--Diannaa (Talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
  2. Upgrade sources
  3. Expand early years
  4. Copyedit to ensure flow and appropriate tone-- Done--Diannaa (Talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
  5. Read through with an objective eye and rewrite carefully to ensure article is neutral and balanced. See Wikipedia:Describing points of view and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view-- Done--I think there may still be a few loose ends but this is mostly done. --Diannaa (Talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
  6. Tighten WP:Lead-- Done--Diannaa (Talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I will inform the major active contributors named above, as well as the WikiProjects who have been tagged on the talkpage. All assistance in improving the article, including comments and opinion are most welcome. The review is on hold for an initial seven days to see what progress is made. SilkTork *YES! 20:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for these highly constructive comments. I will start to work on the article in a couple of days. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 12:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
The recent citing of Annie Janeiro Randall's book is very good. It would be helpful to go a bit further and mention the page or pages on which the information can be found. I have given an example for the first use of the cite. I am assuming that the information came from page 3 - as that was the nearest I could find for the sentence - though please adjust and point to the actual page (or pages) if I was incorrect. There doesn't need to be a link to the actual page (googlebooks doesn't have every page), but a note of the page number is very useful - see WP:Page numbers. SilkTork *YES! 11:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Could you specify which statements suffer from the lack of neutrality. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 15:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
There's an example above under "Neutral". More examples:
  • "Of all the female British pop artists of the 1960s, she made one of the biggest impressions on the American market." - this is a fluff (WP:PEACOCK) statement - there's a lot of qualification needed (female, British, 1960s, one of, American) to make what amounts to a statement without substance. What impression did she actually make? Give the facts, and steer away from opinions, unless appropriately and reliably supported by several sources, and if the opinion is important to an understanding of the subject. The body of the article details more success in Britain than America, and quite modest success in America.
  • "dashing image"--minus Removed--Diannaa (Talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
  • "luscious evening gowns"--minus Removed--Diannaa (Talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Those are examples from the first paragraph. It is difficult to write in an objective and neutral style, and I do appreciate it can be tricky to make improvements when the advice is in the general rather than the specific. I will get around to looking more closely at this article and either directly making the adjustments needed, or giving more detailed advice shortly. At the moment my attention has been taken with the Covent Garden article as in Real Life I am doing an article on Covent Garden, and it makes sense to use the same research on the Wikipedia article. I should be able to give this some attention within the next few days. SilkTork *YES! 18:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Moving forward

I'm pleased to see there have been some edits which have moved the article forward, though the pace is slow and involvement of editors very low. I am keeping the article on hold for another seven days, and will pitch in where I can to help with the progress. SilkTork *YES! 11:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow progress on this article. Many editors have been busy with the Copy Edit Drive, which ended last night. --Diannaa (Talk) 22:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


There's been some impressive progress on the article - well done! I've just had a quick read through, making a few edits on the way, and the tone is much more neutral. I'll take a closer look in the morning, and see how much nearer we are to GA. It's not far off, though there are a few areas that need tweaking - a bit of rewording, and a couple more cites. I'll either adjust myself, or give more details tomorrow. SilkTork *YES! 00:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Checking

  • MoS issues have been dealt with. Well done. SilkTork *YES! 09:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • I was just reading through, checking the prose for formal, neutral language, and I came upon the phrase "Springfield's first flirtation with Motown-style music" in regard to I Only Want to be With You, which I was uncomfortable with regarding both the word "flirtation", and the association of it with Motown. I see that the original wording in the source is "Springfield's first flirtation with Motown-style soul", which is perhaps too close to the original. And in looking to see what other sources say, I get comments about Phil Spector and early RnB girl bands, and orchestrated-pop, etc, all of which appears appropriate when listening to the music, but no other mention of that song being like Motown soul. Rolling Stone is a decent source, though if they are the only ones to call it Motown-style, while several mention orchestrated pop or wall of sound (which is fully in keeping with the later careers of the singer and producer who both went on to work with The Walker Brothers - who used an orchestrated-pop "wall of sound" style) then perhaps a slight refocus is in order. This source wraps up both R n B girl bands, particularly The Shirelles and Phil Spector's production technique, so might be more appropriate. SilkTork *YES! 10:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • I've made a couple of attempts at adjusting the statement. It could do with a bit more work. SilkTork *YES! 14:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • There are a series of sentences about the chart or other success of I Only Want to be With You. It would be useful to summarise all these points about the record's commercial success into one clear statement supported by a reliable source, rather than have the bitty "It was #4. It was a "sure shot". It was #48." etc. The specific detail about the song's chart appearances properly belongs in the article on the song. SilkTork *YES! 14:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • As I'm reading through I notice that the majority of the references are tertiary. WP:Tertiary sources are useful for giving a broad overview, though for details, secondary sources supported if needed by primary sources are preferred. SilkTork *YES! 14:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Why is there so much detail on "The Look of Love" - is this song important in some way? The final sentence in that paragraph is not clear - "Springfield was not very popular in the United States in 1967,[38] so this song earned her highest place in the year's music charts at #22." SilkTork *YES! 15:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • "Springfield was becoming disillusioned with the show-business carousel" - source: "she was becoming disillusioned with the show business carousel..." I picked that up initially because I felt the wording was a little too flowery - then I checked the source, which is a tertiary source - of which we have rather too many already, and our article copies the wording too closely. Colin Larkin would have got the information that Springfield was tired of performing from a reliable source. What this article should be doing is referencing the same source as Larkin read. I have just ordered three Springfield biographies from my local library, and I will put the review on hold until the books arrive and I am able to both confirm this article follows her life story reasonably accurately and conveys the appropriate information, and I am able to upgrade the sources from tertiary to secondary. I am still confident this article will be listed as a GA (because the ground work has been done), though it may take a little longer than initially thought to check and upgrade the sources. SilkTork *YES! 15:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Prose is readable and clear and neutral and sober in tone. There are places where it doesn't flow easily due to a series of short choppy sentences packing in a lot of data, but this is part of the ongoing development of the article, and will not hold up the GA at the stage. SilkTork *YES! 16:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
  • There is enough supporting sources, and the presentation of the material is such that I don't see evidence of Original Research. I feel that on the whole this is largely neutral in both tone and selection of material, though will hold back a little longer on passing that while doing a bit more background reading.SilkTork *YES! 16:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

On hold 2 weeks

  • My two remaining quibbles are the quality of the sources - as there are decent secondary sources I feel it appropriate to use those in place of the tertiary sources. Tertiary sources are good for general overviews, and for when starting an article. By the time an article is at the stage of a GA, it should be using the better quality secondary sources if available. The other quibble is coverage. I'd just like to check that the article does give a fair representation of her life and career. Essentially we are almost there, and it shouldn't take long now. I'll put this on hold for two weeks to get the books and do the background reading. In the meantime people can work on replacing tertiary sources with secondary sources as appropriate, and doing some copyediting to make the article flow better. The second paragraph of the Years without commercial success section might be a good place to start. SilkTork *YES! 16:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I have collected the first Springfield book, and will be reading it over the next few days. It's Dusty, Queen of the Postmods - which appears to be a collection of essays by a musicology academic rather than the usual biography. Looks interesting! SilkTork *YES! 18:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Two more books have arrived. I'll attend to reading them over the next few days. Extending hold for at least another week to give me to chance to look over these sources. SilkTork *YES! 21:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Updating. The three books are supplying some interesting information, and I will be updating the article shortly. I will be briefly building on the family background, as it does seem to have impacted on Springfield's character/personality which then feeds into her image which all the books regard as important - almost as important as her music. This article does make mention of her image, though largely through lesser quality sources so it would be good to switch those for more reliable ones. Sorry for continued delay - the amount of editing to be done on the article is not much - what is taking the time is reading the sources and then deciding what information to use. This shouldn't be too long now. SilkTork *YES! 11:18, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'm plodding through it - hopefully shouldn't take more than a week now. SilkTork *YES! 13:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully the review's nearing its end soon. Found an extra thing that needs addressing on a skim: there's several bare URLs in the references that need to have titles/dates/etc. added in. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 23:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I hope the same thing! Sometimes I come here, look at the work and then walk away! I am going to bear down on this in the next couple of days, get it done, and return the books to the library. SilkTork *YES! 11:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Final comments

I'm working through and trying to find sources for the remaining unsourced (or poorly sourced) statements that may be challenged. There is little readily available information on the Faithful sessions. The main source appears to be the Paul Howes book which I've not been able to obtain from my library, and which is not on Google Books. If someone is able to check the Howes book - The Complete Dusty Springfield, Reynolds & Hearn Ltd. 2001, ISBN 1903111242 - and put in the relevant page numbers that would be useful. SilkTork *YES! 19:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

  • The sources I have read say that the Jeff Barry sessions were for an intended third Atlantic album, and that some of the songs end up on See All Her Faces and one of the extended releases of ...in Memphis, so the view that the sessions resulted in an unreleased album is inappropriate, and comes from only one source. There was no cover, no album name, and the sessions were not complete enough for an album's worth of material. No discography lists the recording sessions as an album. And even if it were an unreleased album, such as the Beach Boys' Smile, then it doesn't get listed as a dated album on a discography. I have made the appropriate adjustments. SilkTork *YES! 13:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
  • The article appears reasonably neutral - always a difficult thing to get right when writing about a topic one likes. I don't think there are any aspects or sections which go into too much detail - I think the article mentions fashion, music, her major album, personal life, and icon status without dwelling on any of these for too long. SilkTork *YES! 13:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Reliable sources. I have been working through this and have cited where needed and/or upgraded the source from an unreliable website to a published biography. There are however still some statements which are poorly or not at all sourced - ashes scattered in Ireland, "in apparent good health, Springfield set about promoting the album", "During this period of psychological and professional instability, Springfield's involvement in some intimate relationships influenced by addiction resulted in episodes of personal injury", "the chart-peaking Bacharach-David partnership was foundering", etc. SilkTork *YES! 13:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Major aspects. This is the main area that needs development. There is much of her personal life, and her relationships which are not dealt with here, but appear in the biographies. Her behaviour during recording sessions is a significant aspect of her life, and something that I think people who know little about Springfield would be aware of, and there is not quite enough information about that in the article, though it is there in the biographies. Her live performances and tours need more coverage. Her relationship with the people around her - her managers, and her collaborators - need more information. A better overview of the different aspects of her career would be helpful. Much of the article tends to be - album released and sold well or was well received, then album released, then album released, etc. There are summaries available in the biographies which would be useful. The bulk of the seventies she was not recording well so compilation albums were released instead, and she withdrew from the hotel tour circuit that she didn't enjoy so she faded from view a bit. Putting everything in context, and summing up what was happening. I have tried to help with this, but it is taking too long, and while I really wanted to take this all the way to GA status, I feel I have to now draw this review to a close as a fail. When I have time I will pop back here and help out in building the article so that the reader gets a helpful overview of Springfield's life and career. SilkTork *YES! 13:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Conclusion. Article does not meet GA criteria 2(b) and 3(a). SilkTork *YES! 13:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Clarification Question re WMCA Sure Shot-Book refs

Not quite sure what you're needing clarified here--is it the term WMCA used for their records new to their playlist that seemed to be future hits? If so, every music station had their own special terms for them; "Sure Shot" was the WMCA one.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey6b.htm

Here you see a survey from WLS, Chicago from 1971, who was using the term "Hit Parade Bound" for records classified like that.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey3b.htm

In 1967, their rival, WCFL, was using the phrase "Chicago Premiers" and "Action Ten"-

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey3c.htm

By 1970, WCFL changed their terminology to "Hit Bound", so just because a station had a slogan or phrase for this type of record doesn't mean they stayed with it.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey4.htm

KHJ, Los Angeles, 1963-their term was "Pick Hit" for the then-new Ray Charles record.

http://www.radiotimeline.com/survey10b.htm

Leaving you some book refs to take a look at:

http://books.google.com/books?id=u2FYqExFagsC&pg=PA157&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=s8p3TInDDIumnQeFiqWdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Becoming almost famous: my back pages in music, writing, and life By Ben Fong-Torres

http://books.google.com/books?id=eD-Vs4efgbcC&pg=PA111&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All of Me By Anne Murray, Michael Posner

http://books.google.com/books?id=xkOx0VS6J_IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Dusty in Memphis By Warren Zanes

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bgn9SGmA4dkC&pg=PA1060&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All music guide to rock: the definitive guide to rock, pop, and soul By Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine

http://books.google.com/books?id=M_WYoRHmwJEC&pg=PA365&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=r9V3TKe2BJGOnwf3r5H4AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Rock albums of the '70s: a critical guide By Robert Christgau

http://books.google.com/books?id=o552g5xRRiwC&pg=PA640&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All music guide to soul: the definitive guide to R&B and soul By Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine

http://books.google.com/books?id=J-Pim7dBEHEC&pg=PA4&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

CMJ New Music Report Mar 22, 1999

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ogux2DAvNU0C&pg=PA151&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

SPIN Nov 1997

http://books.google.com/books?id=xR7MdpuSlAEC&pg=PT357&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=JNd3TKmuHoiengfewrCdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All music guide: the definitive guide to popular music By Vladimir Bogdanov, Chris Woodstra, Stephen Thomas Erlewine

http://books.google.com/books?id=mEIfDZtsVyAC&pg=PA172&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwADge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Billboard's hottest hot 100 hits By Fred Bronson

http://books.google.com/books?id=TKJU6CegkogC&pg=PA101&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Burt Bacharach, song by song: the ultimate Burt Bacharach reference for fans ... By Serene Dominic

http://books.google.com/books?id=VSQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT94&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBDge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Billboard Jul 15, 1978-Ad for Give Me The Night

http://books.google.com/books?id=KBo8RQLpwtUC&pg=PA60&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBjge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Randy Newman's American Dreams By Kevin Courrier

http://books.google.com/books?id=ejjQUZr2iPcC&pg=PA497&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCDge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Hit singles: top 20 charts from 1954 to the present day By Dave McAleer

http://books.google.com/books?id=78A0N_d0kXsC&pg=PA344&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=Fth3TPqCKpS4ngfGrLiVCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

All Music Book of Hit Albums: The Top 10 U.S. and U.K. Album Charts from ... By Dave McAleer

http://books.google.com/books?id=KW9lj9mL4d0C&pg=PA66&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=W9l3TN6HNMfAnAfkv7WXCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBDgo#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

A whore just like the rest: the music writings of Richard Meltzer By Richard Meltzer

This has an interesting fact in it---"Did you know that Dusty Springfield was a regular on the British Hopalong Cassidy series as a young teen? Well, it's true."

http://books.google.com/books?id=IcFBLtl7sq8C&pg=PA303&dq=dusty+springfield&hl=en&ei=W9l3TN6HNMfAnAfkv7WXCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAjgo#v=onepage&q=dusty%20springfield&f=false

Please please me: sixties British pop, inside out By Gordon Thompson

HTH!

We hope (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Irish grandfather

I was trying to track down something definite regarding Springfield's middle name of Isobel/Isabel - I looked up the birth records and got as far as this, which at least gave her mother's maiden name of Ryle. Looking up records of Catherine Ryle in Kerry, I came upon this interesting tit-bit. One of the books I have gives the family background as "journalists", and this source builds on that by saying that Springfield's grandfather was editor of the Irish Independent and Evening Herald. That's fairly significant material worth mentioning. The source is The Munster Express, so it is a Reliable Source, though this information comes in an opinion column, and gives incorrect information about Springfield's mother's name (says Mary O'Brien). The mother's name may be a slip or a typo, and the piece may be otherwise reliable, though I'd like a second source giving the same information. Anyone know of a source? Or anyone care to research into it? SilkTork *YES! 13:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.munster-express.ie/opinion/tales-of-the-tellurians/merger-of-tipperary-and-limerick-its/

Isabel/Isobel

Sources are fairly equally divided between the two. I cannot track down an image of the certificate, but I assume that the handwriting is not clear, and can be read as either Isabel or Isobel. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be sources talking about this discrepancy. I don't think we can decide to go for one form or another as both are used a lot, so both need to be presented in the lead with a note explaining the situation.

This matter, and the above are not GA matters, so I have placed them on the general talkpage. SilkTork *YES! 13:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you show in which form you suggest to present both of the name forms? --Jaan Pärn (talk) 14:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I've done it as Isabel/Isobel - I suppose it could be done as Isa/obel or Is[a/o]bel, though that's not as clear. SilkTork *YES! 18:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

NME Readers' Poll

Springfield got most votes in the Female Singer category from 1965 to 1967 and again in 1969. She got most votes in the British/UK Female Singer category (a more limited category) from 1964 to 1966. I wonder what's the best way of wording that? And if the precise detail of the categories and dates are appropriate for the lead, and might be better placed in the main body - especially as the NME poll placings are evidence of popularity, and we already have a very strong statement about that in the first paragraph: "at her peak was one of the most successful British female performers". The NME lists are not used in many articles as they are not critical awards - Cliff Richard does use them - though in the Awards section rather than the lead. And there is some uncertainty over what the names of the categories are. I'm not sure the categories were "Top British Female Singer" - I recall they sometimes used the word Best, and later got into Sexiest, Most Wonderful, God Given and other daft titles, though often it was just Guitar, Vocalist, Band, etc. Be good to have a source other than pop poll. SilkTork *YES! 18:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

This is interesting as it points out that Springfield was the first British female singer to get most votes in the international section (previously it had been Doris Day, Connie Francis or Brenda Lee). I wonder if we can get a print source for that? SilkTork *YES! 21:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I've looked at the three books I have, and taken their summary approach for the lead, though have gone into a little more detail in a new Awards sub-section. SilkTork *YES! 21:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Elton John's comment

"I think she is the greatest white singer that there ever has been."

I think this implies blacks are superior at singing, I take offense to racist tone should be removed imo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.16.53 (talk) 23:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

While I think your comment does make a relevant point, you need to look at the statement in the context it is presented in the article. This a direct quote from Elton John's statement on her acceptance to the Rock'n'roll Hall of Fame and therefore notable enough to include. This is not a position the article advances itself. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 08:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

How many other (non-racist) statements about her were made at the Hall of Fame? Why not publish them instead? Why elevate a racist statement? If you continue to elevate a racist statement any rational person will conclude that you Jaan Pärn are a racist.68.49.99.141 (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

If you can quote a more notable statement on her induction to the Hall of Fame, you are welcome to add it. Until that, this sentence stays. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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I will be going through each of the criteria in order. I reserve the right to return to earlier comments/sections and revise/add to them until the review is finished. Unless otherwise indicated, maintain existing wikilinks and formatting. The review process should take about a week. I will allow an additional week for any requested changes to be made before making my decision.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Check toolbox, fix dead or red external links.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

</noinclude> A good article is—

    Criterion 1

  1. Well-written:
    2. (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
    Infobox
    1. Move 'Use dmy dates' & 'Use British English' templates above Infobox.
    2. Consider occupation= Singer, arranger, musician, TV presenter musician for non-singing roles, presenter for hosting specials & series e.g. Motown artists on Ready Steady Go!, Dusty &c.
    3. Check through the article, I'm sure there are more labels besides Philips and Atlantic.
    Lead
    1. Check overall formatting of this whole section. Specifically: reduce/combine content to no more than four paragraphs (probably only need three) which summarise most important content of the rest of the article.
    2. Check Randall ref currently at [2], [36] and [81]: all same place? If so combine.
    3. Compare Lead ¶ with MoS:Biographies. Specifically: first sentence should not include honorific nicknames, gender nor ethnicity.
    4. According to the article she was born in Ealing and in West Hampstead. Clever trick etc
    5. Combine content from 1st ¶ with 2nd and reword.
    6. 1st ¶ seems to overly stress her success in US with no mention of UK. e.g. one of the most successful British female performers, with 18 singles in the Billboard Hot 100 from 1964 to 1970. > one of the most successful British female performers, with six top 20 singles in the Billboard Hot 100 and sixteen on the UK Singles Chart from 1963 to 1989. You might have to verify the facts I've added.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
    7. She joined her first professional group, The Lana Sisters, in 1958, then formed the pop-folk vocal trio The Springfields in 1960 > In 1958 she joined her first professional group, The Lana Sisters, and two years later formed a pop-folk vocal trio, The Springfields
    8. with her brother [[Tom Springfield|Tom]] More commonly known form of his name.
    9. when she created and hosted the first British performances of the top-selling Motown artists in 1965 Reword for clarity.
    10. The marked changes in pop music in the mid-1960s left many female pop singers out of fashion. Direct relevance to Springfield is not clear.
    11. and VH1 artists, New Musical Express readers, and the Channel 4 viewers polls. > and in polls by VH1 artists, New Musical Express readers, and Channel 4 viewers. Expression.
    12. Last two paragraphs can also be combined but be careful of linking statement After this, however, Springfield experienced What does the 'this' relate to? Her Grammy Hall of Fame (in 2001)? Try After the release of Dusty in Memphis, Springfield experienced.
    13. to the Top 20 of the British and American charts in collaboration with the Pet Shop Boys on the songs "What Have I Done to Deserve This?", "Nothing Has Been Proved", and "In Private" implies all three songs were Top 20 in both UK and US markets. This will need rewording and some indication of when e.g. "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" (1987), Note: hard space inside Top 20: use similar in appropriate places in rest of article.
    14. Since this is the Lead for a dead person: where's the main summary of her death details? Some indication of her legacy beyond Halls of Fame?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
    Early life
    1. Is Lucy O'Brien related? Currently at refs [5], [8], [61], [63], [65], [69], [86].
    2. Her brother Dion, later to become Tom Springfield, had been born five years earlier on 2 July 1934. > Her older brother, Dionysius P. A. O'Brien (born 2 July 1934), was later known as Tom Springfield.
    3. Her father, Gerard O'Brien, who had been We already known her father's name, so start with Gerard, who had been
    4. was neat and precise by nature, and So? Seems a petty or trivial opinion. I'm assuming this relates to the next paragraph's comment on her father's perfectionism, I'd delete the former as unnecessary but keep the latter.
    5. Her mother Kay came from a > Catherine came from a See #3.
    6. She received her education at a traditional all-girls Catholic school (St Anne's Convent School, Little Ealing Lane, Northfields). Reword, e.g. She attended St Anne's Convent School, Northfields – a traditional all-girl Catholic school. Check to see whether there's a wikilink for that school.
    7. would sometimes spill out in food-throwing incidents Change 'spill out' part.
    8. Springfield and Dion both engaged in Tom: see Lead#6.
    9. food-throwing throughout the rest of their lives Hyperbole? Also, implies Tom is dead? In any case, reword.
    10. She was something of a tomboy in her early years, and was given the nickname "Dusty" because she played football with boys in the street. > She was given the nickname "Dusty" because she played football with boys in the street and was described as a tomboy.
    11. and encourage Dusty to guess the musical piece > and encourage her to guess the musical piece or and encourage Springfield to guess the musical piece.
    12. , among others delete: implied when starting with music including.
    13. She made a recording of herself reword to something like At the age of twelve-years-old, she made a recording of herself and adjust end of sentence.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
    Early career
    1. Some shorter ¶¶ can be combined with nearby ones and content condensed.
    2. After finishing school in 1958, Mary O'Brien responded > After finishing school in 1958, Dusty Springfield responded
    3. Name the other two in The Lana Sisters and explain that they are not actually sisters – despite the ad.
    4. With this vocal group, she > As a member of the pop vocal trio, Springfield
    5. in the UK and at U.S. Air Force bases. Two things here:
      1. If this is first appearance of UK and US in main text then spell them out: United Kingdom and United States. Thereafter use UK and US (not U.S.) as needed.
      2. Are the US bases outside UK? If not try in the United Kingdom including at United States Air Force bases.
    6. with her brother Dion O'Brien > with Tom
    7. both men are ex-The Kensington Squares: this should be included here somewhere.
    8. They chose The Springfields as the trio's name while rehearsing in a field in Somerset in the springtime > The Springfields chose their name while rehearsing in a field in Somerset in the springtime
    9. to record Folk Songs from the Hills
    10. The local pop music that Springfield heard during this visit helped turn her style from folk and country towards pop music rooted in rhythm and bluesshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 15:02, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
    11. by the ''[[NME|New Musical Express]]'' poll Change format and wikilink.
    12. During the spring of 1963 Hemisphere? Change to something like During early 1963.
    13. Dusty Springfield left the band > Springfield left the band
    14. Dusty Springfield's first single, > Springfield's first solo single,
    15. rose to No. 4 on Note: hard space needed in there, also last time I'll specify it but check throughout article for similar.
    16. in the US
    17. on the Billboard Hot delete American. If first appearance of Billboard Hot 100 in main text then wikilink it.
    18. The song was the first record played on BBC-TV's Top of the Pops programme on 1 January 1964. > On 1 January 1964 it was the first song played on Top of the Pops, BBC-TV's new music programme.
    19. 1st song on 1st show? Top of the Pops article has it as second song behind: The Rolling Stones with "I Wanna Be Your Man". However the ref there does not support the claimed order. The ref here, [27], is authored by Ed Decker, who should be acknowledged (more on this later if not fixed).
    20. reached #6 > reached No. 6 Fix any others within article.
    21. Fix — an American Top 10 hit—[24] See WP:DASH. Also replace American with US.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
    22. Springfield's tour of South Africa was interrupted in December 1964, and she was deported, after she performed before an integrated audience at a theatre near Cape Town, which was against the South African government's segregation policy. > In December 1964 Springfield's tour of South Africa was controversially terminated, and she was deported, after she performed for an integrated audience at a theatre near Cape Town, which was against the South African government's segregation [[Apartheid in South Africa|policy]]. Reordered and reworded for clarity. Added wikilink.
    23. and failed to qualify for the final with two songs. > but failed to qualify for the final.
    24. featured lyrics newly written
    25. and reached No.4 on the weekly Billboard Hot 100[24] in the United States > and reached No. 4 in the US,[24]
    26. facilitating the first British TV appearance Compare this with the Lead's claim she created and hosted the first British performances They don't match up.
    27. On 28 April 1965 it was broadcast by Rediffusion TV, with Springfield opening each half of the show accompanied
    28. The last three ¶¶ can be combined and condensed.
    Late 1960s
    1. Is 1969 actually covered in this section?
    2. The soundtrack version was recorded on 29 January and the single release version was done in April What year? Check when recorded: according to "The Look of Love" the single was released on 29 January 1967.
    3. The song was a Top 10 radio hit on KGB-AM, San Diego, California and KHJ-AM, Los Angeles radio stations in the western United States, and earned her highest place in the year's music charts at #22. > In western US, the song was a Top 10 radio hit on stations KGB-AM, San Diego and KHJ-AM, Los Angeles, and earned Springfield her highest place in the year's music charts at No. 22.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    4. The second season of Dusty,
    5. which featured her rendition of "Get Ready" and the UK No. 13 hit
    6. but the series did not keep up
    7. Add (October 1967) after Where Am I Going?
    8. it was critically appreciated
    9. Its flipside, "No Stranger am I", was written by Norma Tanega. Relevance to Springfield is not apparent: Tanega's relationship is not obvious to a casual reader at this point and so her mention here as a B-side writer seems trivial.
    10. with singer-guitarist, Jimi Hendrix. I'm assuming he sang alternate lead vocals but haven't checked.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:57, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    Dusty in Memphis
    1. Italics for album title even in SubHeading.
    2. 1st ¶ is too long, condense it by focussing on Springfield. While there check content, outside quotes, with Ms. Springfield keep as just Springfield.
    3. e.g. of focussing were recorded by the A-team of Atlantic Records: producers > were produced by
    4. another e.g. Springfield later stated that she had never before worked with just a rhythm track, and that it was the first time she had worked with outside producers, as she had produced her previous recordings herself - though she never took credit for this. > Springfield stated that she had never worked with just a rhythm track, and it was her first time with outside producers – her previous recordings were self-produced albeit uncredited.
    5. The album ''[[Dusty in Memphis]]'' received Wikilink 1st appearance in Main text.
    6. wrote: "... Add a space.
    7. The sales numbers failed to match the critical success > Commercial and chart success failed to match critical success
    8. the American Billboard Top 200 > the [[Billboard 200|''Billboard'' 200]] Format & wikilink changes.
    9. Adjust last sentence ¶2 per Lead. But de-link New Musical Express.
    10. Combine 3 & 4 ¶¶.
    11. The main song on the album, > The lead single from the album,
    12. British, American and international > UK, US and international See if similar replacements can occur elsewhere in the article.
    13. It was the 96th most popular song of 1969 in the US.
    14. De-link New Musical Express and Rolling Stone
    15. Billboard 200.
    16. Clarify helped the album sell over 2 million copies in the U.S.,[57] and it reached #6 on the charts.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    Later years
    1. Her intimate companion Norma Tanega had returned to America after their relationship had become stressful, If Springfield & Tanega had a significant relationship then it should be introduced before we find that its all over. Tanega is mentioned earlier as a songwriter but no indication there that the pair had a relationship. Tanega is not mentioned in Personal life section nor elsewhere in this article.
    2. Clarify and she was spending more and more time in America herself
    3. The album and related singles only sold moderately, in comparison with ...?
    4. by Atlantic Records. However,
    5. Reword her new manager Alan Bernard managed to get her out Too much 'manage'.
    6. and the 1999 re-release ''[[Dusty in Memphis#CD re-issues|Dusty in Memphis-Deluxe Edition]]''. Adjusted pipe.
    7. and Cameo was released in February 1973 to
    8. title Elements and then scheduled for release as Longing
    9. Clarify In 1974 she put her career on hold to live as a recluse in the US and avoid scrutiny by UK tabloids. Why avoid UK tabloids? Ref [27] says this is in 1971 not 1974.
    10. During this time she sang > In the mid-1970s she sangshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    11. Reorder work with Elton John ahead of Anne Murray and add release month & year of each.
    12. The album charted only briefly in the UK Explain 'charted only briefly' perhaps replace with 'peaked in the top 50' for more precision.
    13. The 1979 album, Living Without Your Love, did not chart.
    14. In autumn 1979, Hemisphere.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    15. Terry Wogan's live television show > Terry Wogan's TV chat show, ''[[Wogan]]'' Added show's name.
    16. Qualify None of Springfield's recordings from 1971 to 1986 charted on the British or American Top 40s. Since "Mama's Little Girl"/"Learn to Say Goodbye" (1973) and "That's the Kind of Love I've Got for You" (1978) charted on US top 40 specialist charts (AC and Dance/Club respectively).
    17. the Pet Shop Boys to duet with their lead singer, Neil Tennant, on the single Clarify Tennant's role.
    18. and both artists' greatest hits collections.
    19. for Carpenter's album, ''[[Time (Richard Carpenter album)|Time]]''. wikilink album.
    20. B.J. Thomas > B. J. Thomas
    21. which was used as the opening theme for the US sitcom Growing Pains in season 4 (1988-9). The single full-length version charted on US AC top 10: higher than the duet with Carpenter why is this is not mentioned? (More on this at Criterion 3 if not fixed by then).
    22. Released as a single in early 1989, it gave Springfield her fifteenth UK Top 20 hit. Its follow-up, the upbeat "In Private", also written and produced by the Pet Shop Boys, peaked at No. 14.
    23. another UK Top 20 success. > her third UK Top 20 studio album.
    24. Sometime before recording the Reputation album, Springfield decided to leave California for good, and by 1988 she had returned to Britain. > By 1988 Springfield had decided to leave California and, other than when recording some tracks for Reputation, she returned to the UK to live.
    25. De-link Cilla Black. (previously linked in main text)
    26.  "Someone to Watch Over Me"
    27. She died of breast cancer on 2 March 1999. > In mid-1994 Springfield was diagnosed with [[breast cancer]]; she died of the disease on 2 March 1999, aged 59. Something similar should appear in the Lead, wikilink added.
    Legacy
    1. De-link New Musical Express
    2. Change British to UK where suitable.
    3. Check her NME poll wins: some are for UK Female Singer (not artist), some are for Female Singer, and in some years she won both. More on this at Criterion 2 if not fixed.
    4. in 1964 to 1967 inclusive and again in 1969.
    5. scoring 18 singles in the Billboard Hot 100 from 1964 to 1970 including six in the top 20. De-link Billboard Hot 100, italicise Billboard. Added phrase to match content in Lead.
    6. De-link Pulp Fiction soundtrack. De-italicise soundtrack.
    7. She was known all over Europe, Avoid puffery. Try some top 20 charting of singles in European markets.
    Musical style
    1. white soul sound > [[blue-eyed soul]] More widely used form.
    2. Clarify Later, a considerable number of observers have either thought she sounded black and American or made a point of saying she did not.
    3. Springfield constantly used her Hyperbole? For 'constantly' try 'often' or similar.
    4. De-link previously linked terms.
    5. Combine next 3 ¶¶ and condense. Too much use of personal pronouns 'she' or 'her'
    6. the studio is Close My Eyes And Count To Ten - that was recorded at the end of the corridor. > the studio is "I Close My Eyes and Count to Ten" – which was recorded at the end of a corridor. Change formatting for single cf. album/EP: I'm assuming its not the 1966 compilation of same name.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:40, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
    7. E.g. of Precision: Current last ¶ > When recording, her headphones were set on high volume – a decibel level "on the threshold of pain".
    Icon
    1. Is the main focus here her camp icon status? If so, change subHead to more accurately reflect this.
    2. 2nd sentence has five refs! Reduce to the 3 best that cover all contentious claims or, if absolutely necessary, use a cite bundle.
    3. While talking "panda eye" mascara: is any current image in the article typical of this? If so, place nearby or any usable image of a notable artist who has copied her look would do.
    4. Besides the prototypical female drag queen, > Besides the prototypical female for drag queens, Currently implies that Springfield herself was a drag queen.
    5. Does the honorific 'The White Queen of Soul' relate here? Or is it more for Tributes?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
    Awards
    1. Consider combining with Tributes section. Some information from Personal life belongs here.
    2. Dusty Springfield is an inductee of the [[UK Music Hall of Fame|UK Music]] (2006) and [[List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees|Rock and Roll Halls of Fame]] (1999).
    3. De-link previously linked terms.
    4. Last sentence in ¶ is similar to information in Tributes and needs updating.
    5. Entire content in this section (if kept separate) can be condensed into one ¶.
    Tributes
    1. Whole section to be condensed into one ¶. Possibly combine with above section.
    2. yet to surface When?
    3. Clarify Other reported candidates for the role implies its for the same project as Kidman's.
    4. perhaps somewhat incongruously Make NPOV or cite source(s) for claim.
    5. What's the current status for all 3 projects?
    6. What gives with last sentence? Notability of Lockwood not clear. If sentence is kept it needs some serious rewording with focus on Springfield not Lockwood.
    Personal life
    1. Cite for 1st and 2nd sentences.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:57, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
    2. Fix expression: she succumbed to alcoholism and drug dependency (which she later battled successfully)
    3. in some intimate relationships exemplify.
    4. episodes of personal injury what sort?
    5. An incident in early 1983 exemplify.
    6. where she was admitted under her real name and received medical attention from hospital staff who were unaware of who she was précis? Likewise next sentence re: food fight.
    7. The fact that Springfield was never reported to be in a relationship recognised by the public meant that the issue Unclear: what is meant by 'relationship recognised by the public'?
    8. her being "bisexual" was raised continually throughout her life > her being bisexual or lesbian was raised frequently throughout her life Clarity, less hyperbole.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
    9. In 1970, Springfield told Ray Connolly of the Evening Standard: Add original reporter's name & wikilink.
    10. Use quote template rather than the cquote one: {{quote|text=A lot of people say I'm bent, and I've heard it so many times that I've almost learned to accept it . . . I know I'm perfectly as capable of being swayed by a girl as by a boy. More and more people feel that way and I don't see why I shouldn't.|sign=Dusty Springfield|source=quoted in: Sweeting, Adam (26 March 2006). ''The Independent''<ref name=repute/>}}shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
    11. she explained to Chris Van Ness of the Los Angeles Free Press Add original reporter's name.
    12. Use quote template. Consider adding "I go from men to women; I don't give a shit." to the quote.
    13. In 1981 she had a six-month love affair with singer-musician Use ref [15] to verify time-line.
    14. treatment and the cancer was in temporary remission
    15. she succumbed on 2 March 1999 > she died on 2 March 1999
    16. OBE and Hall of Fame should be in Awards (or Awards and tributes, if you combine those sections).
    17. De-link Vicki Wickham.
    18. John's quote is short enough to be left in the same sentence, e.g. When her friend, Elton John, helped induct her into the Hall of Fame, he stated: "I think she is the greatest white singer that there ever has been".[100] De-link Elton John.
    19. De-link other previously linked terms.
    Discography
    1. Only list actual studio albums, remove duplicate releases (e.g. UK version of a US album or vice versa even if re-titled), compilations, proposed albums or live albums.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

    Criterion 2

  2. Verifiable with no original research:
    3. (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
    (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose); and
    (c) it contains no original research.
    References
    I will be checking all the references and each numbered comment below is related to the ref's number as it existed at this time. The order in the article may change from this numbering as refs get moved, added or deleted.
    • Preliminary comments: all refs including newspapers should have a publisher. Newspapers and other works are generally italicised but publishers are not. Use dmy dates for date, archive date and retrieved date. Use correct cite template for each. Consider changing {{reflist|2}} to {{Reflist|25em}} (or similar). Check for duplicate refs. If citing a work which is in the Bibliography section then use abbreviated form of ref per specific citation.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:56, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
    Bibliography
    • List these works alphabetically by first author's last name. Fix formatting of each one: I'll give you an example for the current first one:
    *{{Cite book |last1=Valentine |first1=Penny |authorlink1=Penny Valentine |last2=Wickham |first2=Vicki |authorlink2=Vicki Wickham |title=Dancing with Demons: The Authorised Biography of Dusty Springfield |publisher=[[Hodder & Stoughton]] |location=London |date=August 2000 |isbn=0-340-76673-5}}
    • Consider adding other often used refs with different pages cited separately in the Refs section into the Bibliography subsection e.g. Bob Gulla's Icons of R&B and Soul: An Encyclopedia of the Artists Who Revolutionized Rhythm.
    Numbered references
    1. Use cite news not cite document. Wikilink publisher at first appearance in Refs. Fix retrieved date format (& any others in rest of refs).
    2. Appears to be same ref as two others by Randall: [36] and [81]. Combine all, but fix the formatting: <ref name='RandallF05">{{Cite journal|quote=Springfield acquired the title 'White Queen of Soul' as a result of her many hit cover versions of songs by African American artists such as [[the Shirelles]], [[Inez and Charlie Foxx]], and [[Baby Washington]]. |journal=Institute for Studies in American Music Newsletter |publisher=Conservatory of Music, [[Brooklyn College]], [[City University of New York]] |date=Fall 2005 |last=Randall |first=Annie J. |title=Dusty Springfield and the Motown Invasion |volume=35 |url=http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/isam/NewsletF05/RandallF05.htm }}</ref>
    3. Add more details: author(s) &/or editor(s), full date of release, publisher's location, isbn. Note: Sixth Edition is not part of title & shouldn't be italicised: use |edition=6th . Google books has a 7th edition but I don't know if it covers same information.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:31, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
    4. Reformat as a shortened ref. Check page numbers match, e.g. 'Astrud Gilberto' is on pages 6 and 148 but not 51, while 'Swinging' is on pp. 3 and 55. By the way p. 121 has Norma Tanega described as Dusty's "then-partner": this relates to both 'Late 1960s' and 'Personal life' sections. See whether their relationship has ever been acknowledged by Tanega.
    5. Reformat as a shortened ref.
    6. Use an NME ref or other reliable source for these awards. In any case, I can't access the video.
    7. How is this a reliable source? Accessdate. Can't see it supporting listings in the various polls.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
    8. See [5]. Just change page no.
    9. This uses the Bibliography ref that I reformatted above, so I'll write a summary ref: <ref name="Valentine20">Valentine and Wickham, p. 20.</ref>
    10. Format correctly with added details (as necessary): similar comments at [3].
    11. Fill out format unless using a shortened ref to a new Bibliography entry.
    12. As per [9], change p.
    13. As per [9], change p.
    14. Format correctly, only one isbn is needed.
    15. Additional details: date of publication, accessdate, wikilink journal, publisher. Fix author's name format.
    16. Additional details: isbn. Use at 'a' does not support list of named artists.
    17. See [11]
    18. See [9] but give p. or pp.
    19. Fix publisher (site's maintainer), title, author (compiler), date.
    20. See [14]. Content not fully supported, has Raymonde as an arranger but does not specify for which work nor that he's its (co-)writer.
    21. Use artist not bandname.
    22. As per [11]shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
    23. Use Official Charts Company for UK charting (up to No. 75), e.g. here for singles, click on tab for albums. Correctly format ref.
    24. Author name, fix & wikilink |publisher=[[Allmusic]]. [[Rovi Corporation]], accessdate.
    25. Publisher (same as next ref?).
    26. Fix publisher, date, accessdate.
    27. Add author, accessdate. Fix publisher.
    28. Google books has snippet view. Wikilink publisher.
    29. Add author, isbn, edition no, page(s)
    30. Fix ref format including url, publisher, title, accessdate.
    31. See [11].
    32. Her two songs are named – did she sing in Italian? Jody Miller and Pino Donaggio each as separate performers of the original tune. Fix publisher, add language
    33. See [11].shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
    34. url diverts to generic Rolling Stone site not the particular article. Try this at web.archive.org, which should work for this ref, but add details.
    35. Doesn't seem to be a reliable source. You need a better source for this data.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
    36. See [2]
    37. Fix format, add more details. url doesn't load, can't find it at archive.org
    38. IMDB is generally not reliable. Get a better source.
    39. Fix format, add more details. url content doesn't support either claim.
    40. Deserted url. Archived here. Shows soundtrack version was released on 29 January 1967 (not recorded that date) and the single version was released in April. Fix article content. More information needed for this ref: can't decide if its reliable.
    41. Add more details. Checks content.
    42. Similar problems to [34]. See if there's an archive copy.
    43. Add more details. Checks content.
    44. See [11]shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
    45. See [34], is it different from [42]?
    46. Fix format. Wikilink author.
    47. More details.
    48. See [11]
    49. Can't be found. Similar to [34], [42] or [46]
    50. Add details.
    51. Not reliable for sales or charting.
    52. Format ref, add details.
    53. See [35]
    54. Is this reliable for Grammy Awards? Try here Fix format, add details.
    55. Generic Rolling Stone content not verified.
    56. Add a google books link? Also add details.
    57. Format, add details. Try google books for a link.
    58. Is this reliable for US charting?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
    59. See [9]
    60. See [11] but keep url. The same source, p. 365, has her relationship with Tanega established by mid-1966 at about the time of her Dusty TV series. This relates to Criterion 3a.
    61. See [9]
    62. See [8]
    63. Fix format, add details.
    64. See [14], consider placing the work in Bibliography and having shortened ref here.
    65. See [8]
    66. Add details. I had trouble loading this page & will try again later. Tried again and got a 404 message: Page can not be found. Try to find an archive copy.
    67. Location.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
    68. Add details.
    69. See[5]
    70. Dead link? Try an archive copy. Doesn't specify that its her last TV appearance.
    71. Fix format, add details to ref. Exact death date not given, has "who died of breast cancer last week." Place of death not given, funeral service held in "Henley-on-Thames". Specific ref for death date and place is needed here and/or elsewhere.
    72. See [4]
    73. Add details.
    74. Fix, add. Neither ref is useful for "sold over three million copies": used RIAA source.
    75. Add.
    76. Fix, add.
    77. Fix, add. Good for death date and place. At second use, time-qualify the statement e.g. By the 1990s Dusty Springfield was a camp icon.
    78. Add. I like this ref: more use can be made for Personal life section.
    79. See [11]
    80. See [71]
    81. See [2]shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
    82. Add. Google books has snippet view.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
    83. Add, fix. Is this the same article? Or a portion of it?
    84. Fix, add. Can't check content.
    85. This appears to be citing a wikipedia mirror? You need a better ref for the content.
    86. Add, fix. Is this the same or part thereof? According to this site more of the paragraph in the article is a direct quote or close paraphrasing.
    87. Fix, add. Some content supported but other descriptions are not.
    88. See [4]
    89. See [11]
    90. Same as [87]?
    91. Same author as [87], can't check content.
    92. Fix, add
    93. Fix, add
    94. Can't see content here. Need better url to direct source.
    95. Fix, add
    96. Similar to [19], just lower on same page?
    97. Fix, add. Can't find content on Grammy Award.
    98. Fix, add. Claim of "perhaps somewhat incongruously" regarding Madonna not substantiated at this ref.
    99. Fix, add.
    100. Fix, add. I'd like a better source for this quote, is there more of John's induction speech available to get the context for the statement?
    101. Fix, add. Content supported.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
    Unverified
    Additionally, there are some statements that lack in-line citations and appear to be unverified. They may constitute original research.
    • "was voted among the All Time Top 100 Songs by the listeners of BBC Radio 2 in 1999"
    • "The song was a Top 10 radio hit on KGB-AM, San Diego, California and KHJ-AM, Los Angeles radio stations in the western United States, and earned her highest place in the year's music charts at #22"
    • "Her ITV series It Must Be Dusty was broadcast in May and June 1968, featuring a duet performance of "Mockingbird" with the guitarist Jimi Hendrix"
    • "Dusty hosted her third and final BBC musical variety series (her fourth variety series overall) Decidedly Dusty (co-hosted by Valentine Dyall) which [...] the only surviving footage consists of domestic audio recordings"
    • "She tried to revive her career in 1985 by returning to the United Kingdom and signing to Peter Stringfellow's Hippodrome Records label. This resulted in the single "Sometimes Like Butterflies" and an appearance on Terry Wogan's live television show. None of Springfield's recordings from 1971 to 1986 charted on the British or American Top 40s"
    • "The song appeared on the Pet Shop Boys album [...] Springfield decided to leave California for good, and by 1988 she had returned to Britain" This is a big slab that covers two ¶¶.
    • "She was known all over Europe, and performed at the Sanremo Music Festival. She released a number of singles in French, German, and Italian" Also examples of single titles in each of these languages.
    • "American singer/songwriter Shelby Lynne's [...] st benadicts in west Cumbria (2012)" Note this sample covers four separate one-sentence paragraphs, the last one is especially dubious and appears original research about Lockwood : it shows insufficient notability in its link to Springfield.
    • "Some of Springfield's ashes were buried at Henley, while the rest were scattered by her brother, Tom Springfield, at the Cliffs of Moher, County Clare, Ireland."
    More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

    Criterion 3

  3. Broad in its coverage:
    4. (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
    What's missing?
    1. Although not widely known, Springfield was an occasional songwriter. There's no mention in this article. e.g. Allmusic's Richie Unterberger writes "[a]lso includes a first-rate Springfield original, 'Somethin' Special'" from her 1964 US release, Stay Awhile/I Only Want to Be with You. see here.
    2. She plays guitar, piano, percussion according to infobox. On what works?
    3. While at the infobox was she a producer too?
    4. Filmography for her own TV shows – including The Sound of Motown special.
    5. For Personal life, name significant partners (aside from Pope) and length of relationship. If there is a tie-in to her performance career add that too.
    6. What happened to her...
      1. parents?
      2. brother, after she went solo?
    7. Why did Pet Shop Boys pick Dusty?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
      1. A brief update of their post-Springfield activities showing the impact on their career of the collaborations.
    8. If the Icon subsection is to stand-alone then more information is needed on her being a pop/1960s icon not just a 'gay icon'. Which artists have acknowledged Springfield as an inspiration?
    9. Move awards content from Personal life to Awards (or Awards and tributes) subsection. Does the OBE have a citation?
    10. At Tributes (or Awards and tributes). In additon to Dusty – The Original Pop Diva (2006), back in the 1990s, there was a musical theatre piece called, I Only Want to Be With You – The Dusty Springfield Story. Other musicals on her life include Dusty: the Musical (2000) and A Girl Called Dusty (2005). An update of the status of any biopic(s) is also needed.
    More to follow.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

    Criterion 4

  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
    1. The tone in some parts is not neutral. I've indicated these at appropriate places in above discussions.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

    Criterion 5

  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
    1. Some edits in-line with above comments is expected, otherwise the article appears to be relatively stable.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

    Criterion 6

  6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
    7. (a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
    (b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
    Images
    1. Infobox: Is it possible to crop this image to focus on main subject? Is any more known of the venue or occasion than the year?
    2. "The Look of Love" For the caption, is this the soundtrack version or the single version? Its Academy Award nom can be put in there too.
    3. Dusty in Memphis Since an article exists for the album, what additional information is needed at its specific Fair use rationale within this article? Caption should have release month and year. Give some significance of the album e.g. Grammy Hall of Fame.
    4. "Song of a Preacher Man" For the caption: what is the significance of the song? Perhaps a mention of scene used in Pulp Fiction?
    5. "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" Has this image been described in this article? For the caption: is this from the promo video?

    Final decision

    A final decision is pending completion of the above suggestions per criterion. I will allow one week from this date stamp for all of these to be finished.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

    It is now over a week since I completed my review however very little progress has occurred on my recommendations. Currently the article is not GA. After further improvements are made another attempt at GA may be made.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012 reversion

On 26–27 June 2012, User:Ernio48 (talk) added considerable material on Springfield. Much of it is improperly formatted, contains poorly defined refs and information which is either redundant or overly detailed with trivial facts. The article is a recent GA candidate. I have reverted all of the added material pending better expression, formatting and relevance.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

After GAN2

I manually moved earlier comments to the Archive 2. I've had a go at improving the article in accordance with most of my comments in the GA2 review above. I request other editors to carefully sift through and copyedit its content. Some refs require further checking. I recuse myself from any future reviewing here.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Dusty Springfield

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First recording - notable?

I'm surprised there is no mention here of the fact on the Peter Miles page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Miles_(English_actor) Peter Miles was also an accomplished jazz and soul singer. He was a childhood friend of the singer Dusty Springfield, and the first recording Springfield ever made was with Miles on guitar.[1] There also exists a published interview with Miles talking about his other singing and music-playing with Dusty and her brother in the "early days". 2.28.151.225 (talk) 10:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Enfield

Aside from this Wikipedia article, what evidence, if any, is there that she was born in Enfield? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.85.71 (talk) 21:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

The change was made in this anonymous and unexplained edit back in May, which was presumably just vandalism - so, it should have been corrected six months ago. I'll change it back. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:19, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Isabel or Isobel?

Isobel (first paragraph) or Isabel (fact box)? Make your minds up …

Zythophile (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Different photograph

Can someone please put up a different photograph of her, please? I would if I could but don't know how and do not think I'm allowed. Please? Thank-you. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:554E:7801:353A:7253:D30C:2F6A (talk) 07:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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