Talk:EAA AirVenture Oshkosh

Oshkosh Tower

I updated some of the information on the oshkosh air traffic control towers. The new tower was in operation for the 08 event. Some of the equipment in the new tower wasn't certified for operations yet. Because of this, an umbilical line was run between the new and old buildings. For example, when the controllers in the new tower would key up a radio in the new tower, they were actually transmitting across the umbilical cable through the radios in the old tower. Also, the old tower is not being removed due to "FAA regulations." Both towers are owned by Winnebago County and the removal of the old tower was a county decision (with heavy input from the EAA I'm sure.) The new tower was in operation before the 08 event. The tower is manned by non-FAA controllers normally and switches to FAA controllers only for the AirVenture show.

Sperril (talk) 05:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Picture of firefighting Canadair Plane

In the picture used the caption refers to a CL415 but the air frame in the picture is a 215 as evidence by the radial engines vs. the turboprops of the 415's. I have no idea how to change/correct this but anyone who can please do. See also: https://www.jetphotos.com/registration/C-GBPD Ssoulakiotis (talk) 18:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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I removed most of the History section; the reader doesn't need to know everything that appeared at the event.

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2008 The Boeing 747 "Dreamlifter", designed to airlift Boeing main assemblies, made its first visit to the event. It was open for tours and performed flight demonstrations during the airshow. Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey, Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and the Goodyear Blimp made appearances. Glenn Martin demonstrated a personal jetpack during a test flight called the Martin Jetpack. Rocket Racing League debuted a racing league that plans to use rocket-powered aircraft to race a closed-circuit air racetrack. 2008 marked the unveiling of the Icon Aircraft's Icon A5, which is a high-wing amphibious light sport aircraft. Cessna brought its newest model the Cessna 162 Skycatcher. Cirrus' newest prototype, Cirrus Vision SF50, a single-engine, low-wing, seven-seat, very light jet made its public debut. The Electric Aircraft Corporation ElectraFlyer-C, an American experimental electric [[aircraft that is designed by Randall Fishman and produced by his company Electric Aircraft Corporation, made its first flight. The aircraft features a cantilever low-wing, single-seat enclosed cockpit with a bubble canopy, fixed conventional landing gear and a converted Monnett Moni motor glider. Remos unveiled its latest model, Remos GX, a high wing, two seat, single engine light sport aircraft built in Germany. Austro Engine an Austrian company debuted a new engine, the Austro Engine 300, a liquid-cooled, inline four-cylinder, four-stroke, diesel piston aircraft engine that is primarily used for Diamond Aircraft. Lycoming Engines announced the launch of the Lycoming IO-233-LSA, which is a certified four-cylinder, direct drive, aircraft piston engine that produces between 100–116 hp. Rolls-Royce North America announced the launch of the RR500TP, turboprop variant intended for use in small aircraft with 450 shp. 2009 F-86 Sabre (top), A-10 Thunderbolt II (mid), and P-51D Mustang (bottom) performing at Oshkosh 2009 In 2009, the Airbus A380 visited the event and made its inaugural showing at a North American airshow. It was open for tours, and performed flight demonstrations during the airshow. Upon arrival, it made a hard landing, causing the wings to flex significantly. It is the largest aircraft to ever visit the event. WhiteKnightTwo Virgin Mothership Eve made its first public appearance by flying four times at the event. Predator B MQ-9 Reaper U.S. Customs and Border Protection unmanned aerial vehicle made its first trip. Capt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger and Jeff Skiles talked about their experiences of US Airways Flight 1549, who successfully completed an emergency landing in the Hudson River. German World War II fighter ace Gunther Rall who shot down 275 planes talked about his incredible life. Flightstar e-Spyder and Erickson Air-Crane S-64F "Elvis" made its first appearance. 2009 also marked the unveiling of a new jet manufactured by Sonex called the SubSonex JSX-1. Mark Erickson, designer and builder of the Dakota Cub Super 18 received type certificate from the FAA. Garmin received supplemental type certificate for the G500 PFD/MFD models. RotorWay International unveiled the new Eagle 300T turbine helicopter. Yuneec International debuted its newest aircraft the Yuneec International E430, a two-seat electric light sport aircraft. Tecnam introduced its newest aircraft the Tecnam P2006T to the U.S. market. It is a high-wing, all-metal four-seat light twin aircraft. Electric Aircraft Corporation ElectraFlyer-X made its first appearance. It is an American kit and light-sport electric aircraft, designed by Randall Fishman and produced by his company Electric Aircraft Corporation. The aircraft features a cantilever low-wing, two-seats, enclosed cockpit under a bubble canopy, fixed tricycle landing gear and a single electric engine in tractor configuration. The Brown Arch, which is the traditional entryway to the flighline received a makeover with a tribute area that includes paving bricks available for purchase. The new main gate features two Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress engine-and-propeller sculptures. AirVenture's Aviation Learning Center debuted which you can learn about affordable flying, fuel education and electric power for aircraft. Young Eagles unveiled a new program called "International Young Eagles Day," a day set aside to encourage all EAA members and Chapters to participate which is held on the second Saturday of June annually. 2010 2010 was known as "Sploshkosh." Rain from the weeks leading up to the airshow proved too much for the camping grounds to handle. Throughout the campsites and parking areas, massive puddles and muddy grounds caused vehicles of all sizes to get stuck. Large motor homes were not allowed into the camping area because they would simply get stuck; instead, they were sent to parking lots around the Oshkosh area. During the airshow, no airplanes were parked on North 40 because of these wet conditions. EAA celebrated the 75th Anniversaries of the Douglas DC-3 and Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress. Erickson Air-Crane returned and brought its S-64F "Goliath." The Goodyear Blimp and the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey also returned. Jack Roush crashed his Hawker BeechcraftPremier IA while maneuvering to land on runway 18R. Roush suffered severe facial injuries that resulted in the loss of an eye. His passenger was only slightly hurt. Art Nalls, who flies the only privately owned British Aerospace Sea Harrier, registered N94422 came to the event. Jonathan R. Trappe flew his cluster balloon at the event. Sonex unveiled the Onex, a single-seat, low-wing aircraft with foldable wings. Indigenous People’s Technology and Education Center brought the I-Fly Maverick for the first time. Kestrel debuted its newest aircraft the Kestrel JP10, a high-performance single turboprop-engined all-composite six-seater. OMA SUD debuted its newest line to the market, the OMA SUD Skycar, a five-seat twin piston-engine pusher configuration monoplane. Cobalt unveiled the Cobalt Co50, a five-place, all-composite aircraft that incorporates a canard and split vertical stabilizers in the design, and a pusher engine configuration with retractable landing gear. Sikorsky Aircraft brought its newest model the Sikorsky Firefly, an all-electric helicopter. The Firefly is a modified Sikorsky S-300C helicopter with its engine replaced by an electric motor and two lithium-ion battery packs. The helicopter can hold only the pilot, operate for 12–15 minutes and has a top speed of 80 knots. Plane Driven PD-1 made its public debut. Plane Driven PD-1 is a modification to the Glasair Sportsman GS-2 to convert it into a practical roadable aircraft. It is designed by Trey Johnson and manufactured by Plane Driven and Stoddard-Hamilton Aircraft. GippsAero received FAA type certificate for the Airvan GA8 TC-320. Scotts Miracle-Gro improved the Warbirds area which now includes a new pad expansion, landscaping, and a Veterans Memorial. EAA AirVenture Oshkosh held their first ever night airshow. 2011 All week long during the 2011 convention, they celebrated the 100th year of Naval Aviation and Airmail. They also gave tributes to retired test pilot and airshow great, Bob Hoover and recently retired aerospace engineer, Burt Rutan during the week. It marked the largest and most diverse gathering of Burt Rutan-designed aircraft. It included Rutan's popular Boomerang, Catbird, V-Jet II and Starship. The Boeing 787 Dreamliner visited the event and made its inaugural showing at a North American airshow and it was open for tours. The last flyable Boeing B-29 Superfortress named "Fifi" owned by the Commemorative Air Force made its return to the event since 1995. The world's largest flying Farmers Airship, a Zeppelin NT owned and operated by Airship Ventures made its first appearance by giving rides. A General Dynamics F-16C Block 30H Fighting Falcon, 87-296, c/n 5C-557, of the 187th Fighter Wing, Alabama Air National Guard, flying out of Montgomery Air National Guard Base, overruns the runway. The nose gear collapsed, the nose radome broke and the air-frame skidded to a stop. The pilot was uninjured. An amateur-built Gottschalk John 1 “Dominator” gyroplane sustained substantial damage when it landed hard after losing lift during takeoff from runway 33 at the grass Ultralight Airstrip. The pilot was uninjured. Sikorsky X2, the fastest helicopter manufactured by Sikorsky Aircraft made its visit to the event. Tecnam's Tecnam P2010 a four seat, high wing, single engine light aircraft of mixed metal and carbon-fiber-reinforced polymer construction made its U.S. debut. Pipistrel brought the Pipistrel Taurus G4. Ultraflight Lazair designer Dale Kramer introduced an experimental electric-powered Lazair on an amphibious mono-float, with outrigger floats. Flight Design brought its full-sized exterior mock-up for the first time to the event the Flight Design C4, a four seat, high-wing, single engine light aircraft. Dallair Aeronautica in Italy debuted its newest line of aircraft to the American market, the Dallair Aeronautica FR-100 Snap!, a LSA aerobatic airplane. Germany's Autogyro Cavalon makes its U.S. debut. Kolb brought its newest model to show, Kolb Firestar 2 SS. The original prototype of the all-metal UltraCruiser ultralight designed, built, and flown by Morry Hummel made its first cross-country flight to the event. Evektor debuted its newest aircraft the Evektor EV-55 Outback, a high-wing, twin-engine, turboprop airplane used for transportation. Piper PA-61P Aerostar visited the event and made its public debut. A nearly completed replica of the Bugatti Model 100P was on display at the Welcome Center. Avidyne unveiled its new model the IFD540. French propeller manufacturer, Duc Helice propeller made its first visit to the event. ConocoPhillips reached a multi-year agreement to be the sponsor of AirVenture’s West Ramp, formerly known as AeroShell Square. Helicopter Association International's new Heli Center debuted. It features helicopter-related exhibitors highlighting their products and services to attendees, aiming to re-introduce many fixed-wing fans to the helicopter. The night airshow was once again a major hit after debuting in 2010. 2012 2012 marked the 60th anniversary of The World's Greatest Aviation Celebration in which they gave tributes to the Greatest Generation in the Air honoring the Tuskegee Airmen and the Doolittle Raiders. In attendance were Col. Richard "Dick" Cole, Staff Sgt. David Thatcher, Col. Charles McGee, Maj. George Boyd, Lt. Col. Robert "Bob" Ashby, Lt. Col. Harry Stewart, Lt. Col. Alexander Jefferson, Lt. Col. Washington Ross, Lt. Col. Harold Brown, Lt. Col. William Thompson and Thomas J. Hudner, Jr., the only Naval aviator to be awarded the Medal of Honor in the Korean War. They also celebrated the 75th anniversary of the Piper J-3 Cub & Wittman Buttercup, 50th anniversary of the Bowers Fly Baby & Dyke JD-2 Delta, 40th anniversary of Van's Aircraft, 30th anniversary of Part 103, 20th anniversary of the recovery of the Lockheed P-38 Lightning named "Glacier Girl". Richard VanGrunsven donated the original Van's RV-1 to the EAA AirVenture Museum. Van's Aircraft debuted its newest aircraft, Van's RV-14, an American aerobatic kit aircraft similar to the Van's RV-10. The last flyable Boeing B-29 Superfortress named "Fifi" owned by the Commemorative Air Force returned. It was open for tours and for the first time ever at AirVenture gave rides. McDonnell Douglas DC-10 "ORBIS Flying Eye Hospital" owned by ORBIS International made its return to the event since 2003. Junkers Ju 52, a German trimotor transport aircraft made its first visit to the event and the Goodyear Blimp returned. Warbird Warriors Foundation brought the Lockheed PV-2 Harpoon named "Attu Warrior" and Collings Foundation brought a rare flyable North American A-36A Apache to the event for the first time. EAA unveiled a new program called "Eagle Flights," which will offer free rides for adults. The Aircraft Kit Industry Association (AKIA) is an American aviation advocacy association that was formed in July 2012 and formally constituted at the event. The AKIA's first officers include: President Dick VanGrunsven, Vice President John Monnett and Secretary Dave Gustafson. Chip Yates, designer and builder of the all-electric, record-breaking 202.6 mph Long-ESA, a modified Burt Rutan Long-EZ to the event for the first time. German company E-volo made its world debut of its E-volo VC2, a single place experimental electric multirotor helicopter. Just Aircraft debuted its newest aircraft, the Escapde, which has an STOL Wing, Oleo Strut landing gear equipped with Tundra Tires. LISA Airplanes debuted the LISA Akoya to the American market. It is a French single engine light aircraft, seating side-by-side configuration amphibian capable of alighting on land, water or snow without adaptation. SAM Aircraft unveiled the Haim Sam LS, classic-looking tandem, low-wing standard or tricycle gear monoplane. ArrowCopter USA announced the ArrowCopter AC10 autogyro kit to the American market. American Champion unveiled the American Champion Xtreme, powered by a 210 hp Lycoming AEIO-390-A1B6 engine. Magnaghi Aeronautica in Italy introduced the Sky Arrow LSA and Sky Arrow AWP-ONE to the market. Pipistrel introduced the Pipistrel Alpha Trainer, a Slovenia light-sport aircraft intended specifically for flight training. OMA SUD debuted its newest line to the market, the OMA SUD Redbird, two seat, composite, low-wing LSA. DAHER-SOCATA announced that SOCATA TBM 850 Elite earned certification. Cessna unveiled the diesel-powered Turbo Skylane JT-A, which replaces the avgas-powered Turbo 182 for the Cessna 182 Skylane. Cessna also unveiled the Cessna Grand Caravan EX which is powered by the new Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-140. Wipaire rolled out its newest product, Wipline 1450 LSA amphibious floats. Eclipse Aerospace donated a custom-painted Eclipse 500 to the Veteran’s Airlift Command. Flabob Airport Preparatory Academy donated Aeronca Super Chief 65CA to the EAA AirVenture Museum. Garmin introduced a series of new products GDL 88, GDL 39 and GWX70. Appareo Systems brought the Stratus, a portable in-flight weather receiver for ForeFlight. Avidyne introduced the AXP340 Mode S Transponder with Extended Squitter, IFD540 & IFD440 Touch Screen FMS/GPS/NAV/COMs. Dynon introduced the D1 Pocket Panel Portable EFIS. Aspen Avionics Connected Panel received TSO approval. PAT Avionics debuted its G-HULP HUD technology. Bendix/King reveled myWingMan application and KMA 30 aircraft audio control system. Sennheiser introduced the S1 Passive headset. Rotax brought its newest engine the Rotax 912 iS. It received ASTM certification . GE Aviation launched two derivative engines H75 and H85 turboprop engines. Raikhlin Aircraft Engine Developments made its AirVenture debut, with its 12-cylinder, 500-hp, diesel-engine, A03. Chinese aviation officials opened the Chinese AirVenture Pavilion. ConocoPhillips shortened their name as the sponsor of AirVenture’s West Ramp to Phillips 66 Plaza. 2013 2013 convention was known as "Frostkosh," featured cool weather in the 70s and beautiful skies everyday that AirVenture have never seen before. Budget cuts from sequestration kept active-duty military aircraft away from this year's event. The convention celebrated the 75th anniversary of the North American T-6 Texan, 60th anniversaries of the Wittman Tailwind, Mooney M20 & Piper Archer, 50th anniversaries of the Thorp T-18 & Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6, 30th anniversaries of the Quad City Challenger & Piper Malibu, 15th anniversary of Sonex Aircraft and a tribute to round-engine aircraft. Aerospace and aviation legends gave talks such as Chris Hadfield, Charles Duke, Kent Rominger Joseph Kittinger, Charlie Precourt, Z. Nagin Cox, Dick Rutan, Medal of Honor recipient Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady, Maj. Gen. John Borling, Bob Hoover, Col. Bud Anderson, Maj. Caroline Jensen, Sherry Carbary and Ron Alexander. The last flyable Boeing B-29 Superfortress named "Fifi" owned by the Commemorative Air Force returned. Art Nalls, who flies the only privately owned British Aerospace Sea Harrier returned. Justin Lewis, owner and pilot of the world's first BD-5FLS debuted which is the upgraded version of the world's smallest jet, the BD-5 Micro. The Microjet hasn't been seen at AirVenture since the late 1990s. Yves "Jetman" Rossy made his first public U.S. flights by flying four times. Terrafugia Transition roadable aircraft under development by Terrafugia flew for the first time in front of the public. Honda Aircraft Company brought two FAA-conforming HondaJets to the event. They made their public debut by showcasing a flight demonstration which included formation flybys. One of only three flying examples of the Waco EQC-6 came to the event. The two remaining airworthy Howard 500s came and so did the world's only flying Waco 9. An FM-2 Wildcat recovered from Lake Michigan was on display all week. EAA AirVenture Oshkosh held for the first time ever two nighttime airshows. Disney's Planes premiered on August 2, 2013, at a special screening at The Fly-In Theater. Along with the special screening of the movie, Disney brought a real life Dusty to be part of the activities. The real life version of Dusty is an Air Tractor AT-400A piloted and owned by agriculture pilot Rusty Lindeman. It flew three times during the airshow. Thrush Aircraft brought the newest-generation, Thrush 510G which is powered by a GE H80 turbine engine. Redbird Flight Simulators newest concept for lowering the cost of flight training is the RedHawk 101, a highly modified Cessna 172 that made its public debut. It is powered by a Centurion 2.0 turbodiesel engine. Cirrus Aircraft brought the Cirrus SR22 G5 to the event for the first time. Pipistrel debuted the Sinus FLEX to the U.S. market which is based on the Sinus. The FLEX option features two wingtip sets to convert the Sinus from motor glider to sporty cruiser in minutes. Aquila debuted the A211 and A211GX to the U.S. market. Rud Aero debuted the side-by-side carbon fiber aerobatic trainer the RA-3 which is equipped with a Lycoming IO 360. Sky-Leader introduced to the U.S. market, the SL600, an all-metal two-seat, low-wing aircraft with a trapezoidal wing. Evektor introduced the SportStar EPOS which is powered by a 50-kW electric motor. ZLIN Aircraft debuted the Savage Bobber and the Savage Cub S. Italian LSA Manufacturer, Nando Groppo debuted at AirVenture by bringing the Trail, a single engine, tandem seat, high wing ultralight aircraft. RANS debuted its newest aircraft, S-20 Raven, a two-seat, high-wing, tricycle or conventional landing gear light-sport bush aircraft. Skycraft Airplanes debuted its ready-to-fly SD-1 Minisport. Sport Performance Aviation brought the Panther to the event. The Panther is a single-seat, low-wing aircraft, built of aluminum with a bubble canopy. The landing gear can be assembled in either tricycle or conventional gear arrangements. Wipaire received certification of Wipline 8750 on the new Cessna 208B Grand Caravan EX and Cessna 208 Caravan. ICON Aircraft, developer of the ICON A5 amphibious light-sport aircraft received an exemption request for gross weight increase to accommodate safety features. The exemption will allow the A5 to rise as high as 1,680 pounds, 250 pounds above the 1,430-pound limit for amphibious LSAs. An Aviat A-1C-200 Husky registered N15NG made history by becoming the first dual-fueled, piston-powered aircraft to operate on both compressed natural gas and avgas. Bendix/King introduced a series of new products the KLR 10 AOA indicator, KT 74 ADS-B ready Mode S transponder and KSN 765 integrated safety navigator. Lightspeed introduced its newest headset the Zulu Personal Flying Experience (PFX). Sennheiser introduced the S1 NoiseGard headset. Zodiac Aerospace displayed the on-board oxygen generation system (OBOGS). Engineered Propulsion Systems introduced the Vision 350 prototype engine. TL Elektronic debuted new versions of the Integra glass cockpit panel that features a bigger display. Jeppesen introduced the Mobile FliteDeck VFR for U.S. GA pilots to use on the iPad. The iFly 520 GPS debuted which is similar to the iFly 720. Italian engine manufacturer, MW Fly debuted its full line of Aeropower engines to the U.S. market. AvMap has introduced the Ultra EFIS which has a 3.5-inch, ultra-bright, sunlight-readable LCD display. A glass cockpit retrofit kit for DAHER-SOCATA's TBM 700 & TBM 850 aircraft was unveiled which features a Garmin G600, Garmin GTN 750 and MD302. Engine Components debuted the third in its Titan 340 Stroker series engine the O-340. Sensenich debuted a new propeller for Aerovee powered aircraft. DUC Hélices introduced a new carbon fiber propeller called the FLASH. Education & Interactive Zone and EAA College Park debuted at AirVenture which is an area designated for companies and colleges to network with young people and display what they have to offer to potential employees and students. EAA Innovations Pavilion debuted at AirVenture which showcases new ideas and technology. EAA, American Airlines, Oshkosh Corporation, and Old Glory Honor Flight gave the first Yellow Ribbon Honor Flight for Vietnam veterans aboard an American Airlines 737 at AirVenture. 2014 the 2014 EAA Airventure Convention is scheduled for July 28th - August 3rd. It marks the return of U.S Military involvement following the sequestration cuts experienced in the previous year, History will also be made as the USAF Thunderbirds are scheduled to make their first ever appearance at Oshkosh, performing a practice show on Friday, August 1st and full performances as the show finale on the weekend of August 2-3. In addition the United States Marine Corps Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey will return flying its first full tactical demonstration at Airventure. 2014s event will also feature one of the largest lineups of civilian and military performers in recent years. Air Show Performers currently scheduled for EAA Airventure Oshkosh 2014 include. -United States Air Force Thunderbirds -USMC MV-22 Osprey Demonstration -Kirby Chambliss (Red Bull Zivko Edge 540) -Sean D. Tucker (Oracle Challenger III) -Michael Goulian (Whelan-Goodyear Extra 330) -Rob Holland (MX-2) -Hawker Beechcraft T-6 Texan II Demonstration -Red Bull Skydive Team -David Martin (CAP 232) -Patty Wagstaff (Extra 330) -Skip Stewart (Pitts S-2 "Prometheus") -Aeroshell Aerobatic Team -GEICO Skytypers -Melissa Pemberton (Zivko Edge 540) -Jim Peitz (Beechcraft Bonanza) -Steve Oliver (De Havilland Chipmunk) -Suzanne Oliver (Extra 330) -Kyle Franklin ("Demon-1" Waco Bi-plane) -Matt Younkin (Beech 18) -Greg Koontz (Super Decathlon) -Kent Pietsch (Interstate Cadet) -Jerry "Jive" Kirby (Van' Aircraft RV-8) -Roger Buis ("Otto the Helicopter") -Chuck Aaron (Red Bull BO-105 aerobatic helicopter) -Fairey Gannet XT752 -Jim Tobul (F4U Corsair) -Scott "Scooter" Yoak (P-51D Mustang "Quicksilver") -Doug Rosendaal (P-51C Mustang "Red Tail") -Bob Carlton (Jet Powered Salto-Sailplane -Nicholas Ivanoff (Zivko Edge 540) -Matt Chapman (Eagle 580) -Mike Wiskus (Lucas Oil Pitts S-2) -Bill Stein (Edge 540) -The Trojan Horsemen (T-28 Trojans) -The Tinstix of Dynamite (feat. Skip Stewart and Melissa Pemberton) -The 4ce (feat. Rob Holland, Matt Chapman, Bill Stein, and Jack Knutson) -Gene Soucy ("Showcat" Bi-plane) -Teresa Stokes (Wingwalking) -Justin Lewis (FLS Microjet) -EAA Warbirds of America References |} Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Hales Corner In 2008 an IP anon changed the first fly in from Milwaukee to Hales Corners[3]. It has been unchanged until now, 2014. I changed it to Timmerman Field, which is 30 miles from Hales Corners and I cited the EAA history page. I'm not sure if there is some other reason why Hales Corners was put in there in the first place, an earlier event or something? Perhaps because EAA was apparently run from the basement of the founder's house in Hales Corners.[4] If someone finds something re:Hales Corners, please cite it this time. --Dual Freq (talk) 02:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC) Attendance Undue Weight Here is your chance to explain why you think its not worth a couple sentences to explain how attendance is estimated for the AirVenture. This article says it's the largest show of it's kind, why is it not relevant to explain how the attendance is estimated by EAA? Are you saying that this article should simply take whatever number they list in their press release and delete the explanation from a newspaper? Which part of that paragraph is undue weight? The EAA press release or the Oshkosh newspaper article? There has been an attendance section in the article since about 2005 and this article has claimed attendance to be 800,000 - 1,000,000 as recently as 2014, so it bears mentioning how that number is estimated. --Dual Freq (talk) 23:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC) Just my two cents... I agree. I sometimes shake my head at what looks like the "over-bannerization" of Wikipedia. I would venture the guess that this is, at least, an item of some moment among those who take interest in such things. It would seem to me that any section on attendance should include mention of the controversy as well as an explanation of why one method of tallying attendance is more or less objectionable than another. The last thing Wikipedia needs to do is add to the general bafflement of the readership by not explaining things. -- NorthCoastReader (talk) 01:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC) The tag spam occurred in the context of couple IP anons correcting the record regarding which airshow was the "largest" Paris Air Show[5] or Oshkosh since both seem to make that claim about various aspects. They don't seem to think it is worth making their case except to blindly hit the undue button. --Dual Freq (talk) 23:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC) External links modified Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified 2 external links on EAA AirVenture Oshkosh. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. 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And how is it possible for a company to "...build more homebuilts than anyone else in the world..." given that the very definition of "homebuilt" is that the end-user constructs it themselves? If what was intended to be conveyed is that the company sold more kits or more components than competitors, that should be stated. As written, it is simply confusing. Bricology (talk) 21:09, 9 December 2020 (UTC)