Talk:Early Byzantine mosaics in the Middle East

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Roman mosaics don't belong here[edit]

I removed 2 images for this reason:

File:Shahba_Mosaics.jpg|Mosaic from Shahba depicting Aphrodite and Ares.

File:Diana discovered by Actaeon.jpg|Diana discovered at bath by Actaeon; mosaic in As-Suwayda.

The first is 3rd c., clear case. The 2nd is also pagan, unlikely from Byz. period. Both deserve to be shown, but under "Roman mosaics", not here.

The mentioned Hercules mosaic from Homs, kept at Ma'arat el-Numan museum: I thought it's probably also Roman, but Alamy has a caption dating it to the 5th c. An apparently better source dates it to the 3rd, which makes good sense.

This reopens the discussion about Diana & Actaeon, although nudity in Christian times... I tried, but couldn't find a date anywhere. Anyone? Arminden (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Definition: Middle East is too wide; major topics, areas missing even for S Levant[edit]

The topic is truly beautiful, so a great THANKS to those who have started the article. Too bad it's not linked in any of the many articles I've read or worked on; this must be done as a priority. It will help with fixing what needs to be fixed here, too. One or a few new categories must also be created on this topic, and this article can help as a starting point.

The definition needs urgent fixing. The section of the Middle East held by the Byzantine Empire also includes today's Turkey and Cyprus. Asia Minor is huge and extremely rich in Byzantine remains. Cyprus is also important. Neither is even mentioned in the article. Egypt is huge and actually left out (Sinai with St Catherine is distinct from Egypt proper; it was often visited by ancient pilgrims as an extention of their Holy Land circuit, St Catherine has an Orthodox, rather than Coptic tradition, different continent etc.). There are a few Christian sites which have been recently excavated on the Arabian Peninsula, but I don't know if any mosaics have been recovered there (there is certainty from sources about them having once been laid in Yemenite churches at least).

I guess the intended scope has always been the Southern Levant. The article has been put together from a Jordanian perspective (although omitting the hugely important Ghassanids), with a small section on Syria added by someone else, and very little from Israel and Palestine (only what the Franciscan Madaba Map centennial website offered and some other outdated bits and pieces).

For that reason, I see it as a very good start on the Jordanian area, but much less so on all others. The area needs to be trimmed down massively, i.e. "Middle East" replaced with "Southern Levant", and Israel brought in on a much, much larger scale. From Palestine the lacunas are also massive, see missing Hisham's Palace (foremost Muslim Umayyad site). There is nothing at all about synagogue mosaics from Israel-Palestine, of which there are a great number of remarkable ones. There are more in Syria. Lots of work, lots of joy ahead. Arminden (talk) 20:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For when a category is created: a list of sites[edit]

This is a beginning, must be expanded. The category, or categories, would be very useful (see above my arguments), more elegant than connecting each site via link to this page.

I am trying to use here geographical terms from Antiquity and regions rather than larger units, in order to both reflect the realities of the time (for instance Samaria was largely populated by the Samaritans, with a complex culture of their own), and also to avoid conflicts.

Syria[edit]

Roman-era precursors
today's Lebanon (mainly Phoenice Province)

Palaestina I, II, and III[edit]

Galilee
Northern valleys
Samaria
  • Shilo (Seilun), three basilicas, see Church of the Ark
Jerusalem with ancient outskirts and Mount of Olives
Umayyad period
Judaean hill country
Shephelah
Coastal Plain
Judaean desert with Jordan desert
Umayyad period
Negev
Transjordan (provinces Palaestina II and Arabia)
Umayyad period
Sinai (in Palaestina III, Salutaris)

References

  1. ^ Conservation of the Sixth-Century Mosaics at the Church of the Monastery of Saint Catherine at Mount Sinai, The Met, 7 June 2012. Accessed 2021-11-24.
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