Talk:East Jesus Nowhere

Please do not remove single release info!

I spent a good amount of time adding this content and it is 100% valid - sources will be provided asap. I am currently not able to add them. Jammiedodger546 (talk) 16:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You're able to edit the article but not able to add sources? I'm sorry, but without reliable sources confirming that this will in fact be released as a single, it does not pass WP:NSONGS. Your edits are not lost, they are preserved in the page history, so it can easily be restored if and when you come up with sufficient sources to verify the contents. But please don't recreate it until you are able to add such sources. If you have links to the sources but just aren't sure how to add them, then please post them here and I will be happy to help format them as references. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

If you just actually gave me a chance to update the article I could've done it myself. I currently cannot, as stated before, as my Grandmother is in hospital in a very severe condition. Jammiedodger546 (talk) 21:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Update: I've managed to get some pictures taken of the single - it's the cd case, cover, cd and the information provided by Reprise Records. Surely that's enough...? Will upload the pictures ASAP. Jammiedodger546 (talk) 21:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Again, you still have the ability to update the article. Simply click "history" at the top of the page and select a previous revision, then edit it. Relax, don't worry about it while you're having a family crisis. Wikipedia has no deadline and can wait. The only picture that will likely be permissible is an image of the cover (per WP:NFCC), and that's not sufficient to show notability. What we need to do is wait until either A) an official announcement is made that this will be the next single and it will consist of this content, or B) secondary sources report on the single and give this information. Anything else is really original research and conjecture. Again, we have no deadline and can wait for these sources to appear rather than trying to be first with the news. Wikipedia isn't the news, it's an encyclopedia, so there's no need for us to be "first on the scene" or "up to the minute" with this information. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Honestly the only place that I've heard Green Day announcing that East Jesus Nowhere will be the next single is from Green Day Authority, and I know that's not allowed on Wikipedia even though they have been right in the past and Wikipedia articles have accurately and relied on the website enough to prove its, not necessarily trustworthiness, but let's just say it's been right a lot before, and I would think that if they say that Green Day announced it, it sounds like there's a pretty good chance that it will be the next single. I don't know where they got the information, but wherever they've been getting the information from the past is a good, trustworthy source. --Zzguitar14 (talk) 02:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It's now official: "East Jesus Nowhere" is the third single from the album, to be released on Oct. 19. Here's the official band announcement (I don't like the way their website works for news, as that'll just get pushed to another page as new news items are added, so this link may not be very helpful in a few days), and here's the same thing as reported by a secondary source. Here's a source for the music video as well. The problem I think we have now is that "21st Century Breakdown" was apparently previously reported to be the next single, but I can't actually find any reliable sources to back that up. Greendayauthority.com apparently claims that there will be 2 different singles for 2 different markets, but I have no idea what they're basing that claim on and of course as a fan site they aren't considered reliable by Wikipedia standards. IMO we ought to redirect 21st Century Breakdown (song) back to 21st Century Breakdown, unless and until it's released as a single. --IllaZilla (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

If you remove the public existance of the 21st Century Breakdown (song) article, we would need to take the song off the discography list and the singles chronology list, too. --Zzguitar14 (talk) 05:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Of course it should be removed from the infobox chronology, as it isn't a single and of course there wouldn't be an article to navigate to if we redirect it. But it's still technically a charting song, so I think it's OK to leave it where it is in Green Day discography#Singles as long as we can cite that Japanese chart position. --IllaZilla (talk) 08:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you suggesting adding the Japanese charting positions for the songs in the discography page? Only 21 Guns, Know Your Enemy, and 21st Century Breakdown have ever charted on that chart. --Zzguitar14 (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

So? Why should it be excluded just because only the more recent singles have charted there? Not every single charts in every country. So long as it's verifiable then there's no reason to exclude the Japanese singles chart. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm just saying, kiac might have a problem with that, feeling as if it goes against the charts as it is "insignificant" to add a country's chart with only three charting singles on it. You could list it under a new section entitled "Other charted songs" but 21st Century Breakdown, to our current knowledge, is not a single yet so we either put it under that section or just take it off until it is confirmed to be a single. --Zzguitar14 (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

←Hello, Howie from norway her! I'm working on articles related to Green Day at the Norwegian wp, and I see your likely confused in this case as I. But as I understand, East Jesus Nowhere will only be available in US and UK, and 21st Century Breakdown will be released in the rest of the world. I'm not sure, but it's a theory, and I know I've read it somewhere that East Jesus Nowhere only would be available in US and UK, but I can't remember where... --95.34.17.87 (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Theories are irrelevant. Without a source we've got no basis to state this as fact on Wikipedia. This official announcement, which is copied on the band's official website, clearly says "Green Day are set to release their new single 'East Jesus Nowhere' on October 19th". It does not say anything about there being 2 different singles for 2 different markets. Nor does the band's website, nor does any other source that has been presented. Every source says "East Jesus Nowhere" is the single, and not a single source says "21st Century Breakdown" will be the single. Obviously if sources turn up, then that changes things, but "I know I've read it somewhere" isn't going to cut it. If you can find a source to that effect, great, then we've got something to go on. But people keep changing the information in these articles based on "I think this is what's going to happen" or "I saw somewhere on the internet...". This has caused a lot of instability in these articles when we can really only go with the information that is verified by the sources we have. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

If you mind noticing the news and the picture pages you can see green day were filming the video for 21st century breakdown, it is the real 3rd single. East Jesus Nowhere must be the forth one and its cover art went out on [1] just recently so stop the confusion with that fake art cover and that saying that its the third single. --fmj492 15:33, 08 October 2009 (UTC)

They announced that they planned to film a video for 21stCB, and they put a picture up that might be cover art for a single. But they have filmed a video for "East Jesus Nowhere", which is in rotation right now, and they have announced a release date of Oct. 19 for the single. And these announcements post-date the mention of a possible 21stCB video. What are you going to say on the 19th when the "East Jesus Nowhere" single comes out and there's still no single or video for 21stCB? Are you still going to insist that 21CB is the 3rd single? I think not. We're 12 days away from the single's release date. I think if there was a video for 21CB, it would be playing somewhere. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

In the official site green day announced that Monday it will be the video premiere of 21st Century Brekadown on MTV. So this is the third single, I suppose. --82.49.12.69 (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Of course "East Jesus Nowhere" is the third single. It has been announced officially that a single for it will be released on the 19th, and it currently has a music video in rotation. Yes, the official site does mention an upcoming music video premiere for "21st Century Breakdown", also on the 19th, but this does not mean that a single is being released on the same day (the "East Jesus Nowhere" video was released a month ahead of the single's release date). Everyone who keeps insisting that "21st Century Breakdown" will be the third single and "East Jesus Nowhere" will be the fourth, or who insists that they are going to be released on the same day in different markets, is basing their assumptions on the postulations of a fan site unconnected to the band or its label. It is possible that "21st Century Breakdown" may be released as a single in the near future, but until this actual details (release date, tracklist, etc) are announced & reliable sources exist to support it then we can't claim that it will be the fourth single. We have no deadline, so we don't need to peer into crystal balls and try to predict the future. A music video does not a single make. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

And what if today nothing tells us something about East Jesus Nowhere? --82.50.117.134 (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

"What if nothing tells us something"? Not sure what that means. I think you mean "What if it turns out that no single for 'East Jesus Nowhere' is actually released today?" Well, then we'll have to re-evaluate the situation. But since it was announced in detail on the band's own website, there's little reason to doubt it. It would be pretty difficult to show that it wasn't released, as negative proof is a logical fallacy. We've got reliable sources stating that the "East Jesus Nowhere" single is to be released today; we've got no sources at all for any future release date for a prospective "21st Century Breakdown" single. We have to go with the sources we've got. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

You all are stupid [2] Second on the list: TODAY: MTV: 21ST CENTURY BREAKDOWN VIDEO. You all fail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.8.243 (talk) 19:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, as you obviously don't know the difference between "single" and "video" I think you are the one who fails. Mucus™ (talk) 20:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Please educate yourself on the difference between a music video and a single, and check the attitute at the door. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

←Bands release music videos for singles. 21st Century Breakdown is their next single. It has the single art on their website, and Facebook. Nowhere on any official Green Day sites does it say that East Jesus Nowhere is the next single. You are all made of fail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.8.243 (talk) 01:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

greenday.com is not an official Green Day site? Oh wait, it's the official Green Day site, and it published the announcement of the "East Jesus Nowhere" single a month ago. It even published the music video and the cover art. Are you saying that these are all fake, and that the band's official website is deliberately misleading us? FYI, bands often release music videos for songs that are not released as singles. Yes, it has also published artwork that appears to be cover art for a "21st Century Breakdown" single, but it has not published an actual announcement that it will be a single, nor a prospective release date for such a single. There is indeed fail here, and it's all coming from you. Again, please learn what a single is and actually check the the band's website before you go declaring what it does & doesn't say, lest you choke on feathers. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Not what I said. Your stupidity makes you automaticaly incorrect no matter what you say at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.101.233 (talk) 05:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

If you can't be civil, then take a hike. Wikipedia will continue to do just fine without you. --IllaZilla (talk) 08:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Release date

The single has not been released. I think you could cancel this information.--82.50.116.50 (talk) 14:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

How do you prove that something hasn't happened? Multiple reliable sources including the band's own website gave a release date of Oct. 19 for the single. There is no reason to doubt these sources. Just because it isn't available in your area doesn't mean it wasn't released. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Can anybody explain me where East Jesus Nowhere (The single) is available as a digital download? I had a look at iTunes store, both US and UK, and there are no singles called East Jesus Nowhere. There is only the music video. --Pasqual 8 (talk) 13:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Singles and music downloads are not the same thing. iTunes often does not carry singles. --IllaZilla (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Edit semi-protected}} I would like to add the track listing for the promotional single as it contains an edit of the song and I think some people might like to know these details. I will use a proper track list template for the edit.

Promo

No.	Title	Length
1.	"East Jesus Nowhere" (edit)	3:56

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Scantlebus (talk • contribs) 09:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

What's your source for this? We generally don't cover promotional singles, just actual singles released commercially to the public. --IllaZilla (talk) 14:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)