Talk:Eastern Michigan Eagles men's cross country

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I need to discuss the footnote edits that were made in the first paragraph. I used the "Prove It" application to directly link the data/proof that there has been changes in the Mid American Conference cross country competition, where the conference has gone from one where all schools in the league fully participate in cross country to one where well over half do not. With the proof reference I provided, it directly showed several graphs that concisely, clearly and without any doubt, that at the start of the decade of 2000, participation in MAC cross country has dropped excessively as the most schools opted to drop cross country, indoor track and outdoor track. Proof to support this statement also confirms a fact that if a university drops indoor track and outdoor track and field and only fields a cross country team, such a choice renders that school's cross country team as non-competitive. Why? Because elite high school cross country recruits will not opt to attend a university that does not field year around running programs of cross country, indoor track and outdoor track. The graphs I referenced show clearly how the MAC has several schools missing running only cross country but missing the other two year-around programs of indoor and outdoor track running programs. The edit that was made after my posted my footnote reference was deleted and its replacement footnote was just the interior page of an EMU track and field media guide with a win loss record, but no proof that the participation of the MAC was equal to or on par to what it was prior 2000. The edit and footnote I created is important because it is historically significant to note that is recent years, the conference has been operating without the full contingent of what has been typical from early 1940-2000. It needs to be noted that when an edit chooses to list one coaches win loss records of ten wins as being superior to his predecessor, accurate historical context needs to list an historical caveat to the historical nature of those wins. This same caveat must note used to note the previous coach with only 9 wins competed when the league was larger and operating as all college athletic programs used to, with all schools in the league participating. From 2000-2015 few of of the 13 MAC schools, only 4 or so have year around cross country, indoor track and outdoor track program. The edit I provided shows proof of this historically significant fact. From 2000-2015 the 13 schools, 5-6 of the schools completely dropped cross country all together. It needs to be noted when two coaches are listed with similar win loss records, one's record was attained when all schools in the league participated and the other coaches occurred when over half of the schools in the league no longer cross country teams (nor the other two year-around sports of indoor or outdoor track). The decline of a conference is a newsworthy an historical fact which should be included in an encyclopedia because its accurate record keeping of the history of the conference and accurately explains the caliber of each coaches wins.

In original post of the story, the editor chose to post and state coach A. with ten conference wins surpassed coach B. with 9 conference wins as a new EMU win loss record. This original post was not neutral. It is fair and balanced to point out that winning 9 championships by coach B. was accomplished when the conference was accomplished when participation by every school in the league made a championship win much more unlikely because the conference was more robust and competitive. With less than half of the members of the 13 MAC schools participating under coach A. in year around cross country, indoor and outdoor running programs, there is no no valid comparison in the win loss record of Coach A versus coach b. Providing the footnotes that showed participation attrition, it proves the historical demise in participation in the conference and puts both coaches wins in their proper context. Showing footnotes to prove this historical demise, educates the reader more accurately. Telling the story of the the history of the conference participation lets the reader reach his or her own conclusion about comparisons in coaches at the schools. Without my footnotes that clearly showed what has taken place in the conference, it diminishes the accomplishments, of the head coach who won 9 championships when all MACschools participated in the league championships. Providing historical charts and graphs does so with proofs and fact about the nature of each coaches wins relative to the history of a conference with 100 percent participation vs participation below 50 percent. I would like to put the correct footnote references back in because it is historically accurate and is neutral because the charts show the historical changes in participation by schools in the league and defines win loss records relative to the historical changes the conference has experienced over from 1940-2000 vs. 2000-2015. Gernlarry (talk) 08:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC) Gernlarry (talk) 17:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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