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A fact from Echte Wagner appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that an album of collectible cards from the German margarine brand Echte Wagner in 1930 presented a vision of the future that incorporated concepts such as wireless personal phones with screens?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Echte Wagner Margarine.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that an album of collectible cards from 1930 presented a futuristic vision, incorporating concepts such as the wireless personal phone with monitor?~~ Source: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/futuristic-visions-cards-germany/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ice King

Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) and TSventon (talk). Self-nominated at 16:53, 11 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Echte Wagner Margarine; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

ALT0a ... that an album of collectible cards from Echte Wagner Margarine in 1930 presented a futuristic vision, incorporating concepts such as the wireless personal phone with monitor? Source: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/futuristic-visions-cards-germany/ TSventon (talk) 16:40, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting article o good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Hook: I thought I was in the wrong article, - the pipe is too much od an Easter egg for my taste. Can you perhaps link to the company, and say it's advertising cards? I'd accept Echte Wagner for a pipe. How about a pic? - In the article, please check for German words italic, and missing spaces. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Another wish for the article: tell in the lead what they produce and sell. The name suggests margarine, but then, in the card, come cocoa ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt:, I was tempted to ask if you were interested in the history of margarine. The article went through several titles, I think the hook must have been based on an earlier version, so I have updated it for the current title. I believe that the image is unsuitable for the main page as 1930 is too recent for public domain, if you know more about German copyright, please say. It is on Commons at File:Zukunftsfantasien12 4.jpg, but due to be deleted. I have added some more italics, I couldn't see any missing spaces, but that is probably my eyesight. @RAJIVVASUDEV: may also wish to comment. TSventon (talk) 17:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't think the mention of cocoa was confusing, as that section is about the background to the cards not about Echte Wagner. Would Stollwerck cocoa be clearer? Echte Wagner cards did not start until later. Apparently, in addition to Kunstbutter (artificial butter), they also made Kunsthonig (artificial honey), but I didn't think that was necessary. TSventon (talk) 17:24, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, - understand now much better. I still think the lead should say that they produced margarine (not only cards), but up to you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt, thank you, I have clarified the lead as you suggested. I found an article for Brooke Bond, another former company known for its collectible cards. TSventon (talk) 14:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TSventon for addressing and concluding the issue. RV (talk) 02:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

RAJIVVASUDEV, the images in the article appear to have been published in 1930, which is after 1928 so they are not eligible for Commons per Commons:Commons:International copyright quick reference guide. They have also been nominated for deletion on Commons. I would suggest removing the image from the nomination. TSventon (talk) 18:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Considering its 70 years old, I put it there. But thanks for the information. Thanks RV (talk) 02:32, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, copyright is complicated, so I had to look up the guidance. I believe that it should be possible to upload an image to Wikipedia rather than commons as it is discussed in the article, see WP:FAIRUSE, which is another long and complicated policy. I have not uploaded fair use images myself. TSventon (talk) 04:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am putting them back in the article for now. Thanks RV (talk) 11:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can see that the image(s) are an important part of the article, but the nomination can't be approved for DYK until any images comply with Wikipedia copyright policies. TSventon (talk) 22:47, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, noted. Removing. Thanks RV (talk) 04:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have uploaded one image to Wikipedia and added it to the article. I believe that it will be replaced with a lower resolution version shortly. By the way, I think an infobox like the one at O-Pee-Chee would be useful, do you agree? TSventon (talk) 08:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sure! Thanks RV (talk) 08:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]