Talk:Edward C. Holmes

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Autobiographical edits[edit]

Hello @Echolmes:, thanks for your edits to this page. The recommended method for changing autobiographies on wikipedia is adding comments to the talk page, see WP:AUTOBIO. See also the Wikipedia:Notable person survival kit Duncan.Hull (talk) 06:19, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Holmes Wikibiography[edit]

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Duncan.Hull (talk) 21:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

removed content which might belong on another page[edit]

I removed this chunk, someone else's pre prints are not relevant. Please justify the relevance here before readding it, and rephrase to more clearly summarise the sources.

(The theory was further promulgated by Chinese expatriate virologist Li-Meng Yan, now living in the US, who published two preprint papers in September and October 2020,[1] and was given further exposure in Australia by a mail-dropped pamphlet by an anti-Beijing group called the New Federal State of China.[2])
  1. ^ Brouillette, Monique; Renner, Rebecca (18 September 2020). "Why misinformation about COVID-19's origins keeps going viral: Another piece of coronavirus misinformation is making the rounds. Here's how to sift through the muck". National Geographic. Retrieved 1 November 2020.
  2. ^ Bogle, Ariel; Zhao, Iris (9 October 2020). "Anti-Beijing group with links to Steve Bannon spreading COVID-19 misinformation in Australia". ABC News. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Retrieved 1 November 2020.

Irtapil (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]


@Laterthanyouthink: this content might be more appropriate in an article about that conspiracy theory. But i don't know if such an article exists. Irtapil (talk) 04:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


@Thucydides411: is there a page on this theory? it seems like an important story to tell, but not here. There are pages on other health conspiracy theories like the pages on operation Infektion and AIDS denialism. Irtapil (talk) 05:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


There was another bit of material removed by @Thucydides411:, which is probably valid but not framed well and probably belongs in another article. Framing it as a dispute isn't really how science works. It's just an update. The market theory was the best fit to the available evidence at the time, but later evidence shows it probably has a different origin.

"On May 28, Web MD reported that Gao Fu (George Gao), director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control, had declared "the virus did not originate in a Wuhan seafood market".[1] According to the article,  "research shows no connections between food sold in Wuhan’s market and the coronavirus."   This also contradicted the premise of Holmes's paper, which proposed that SARS-nCoV-2 jumped to humans from pangolins sold at the market. [2]"
  1. ^ Ellis, Ralph. "China Says Wuhan Market not Origin of COVID-19". WebMD. Retrieved 2020-06-03.
  2. ^ Andersen, Kristian G.; Rambaut, Andrew; Lipkin, W. Ian; Holmes, Edward C.; Garry, Robert F. (April 2020). "The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2". Nature Medicine. 26 (4): 450–452. doi:10.1038/s41591-020-0820-9. ISSN 1546-170X. Retrieved 1 December 2020.

Irtapil (talk) 06:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Irtapil: There is the article Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic. -Thucydides411 (talk) 10:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Irtapil and Thucydides411. I think I added it because there was quite a bit in the press about that theory, after my curiosity was initially sparked by some junk delivered to me at home. There's also the New Federal State of China article related to this. I just added the bit here as he was instrumental in debunking the theory at that point, and I think it generally useful to link Wikipedia articles to each other where a relationship exists. Unfortunately I am just too many other things on my plate to go digging back into this one, so I'll just let you two (and anyone else) do as they think fit with the info. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:39, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

funding sources[edit]

I can't find these two funding sources in the source provided, and if it's there i suspect it might refer to the other authors.

"...the Special National Project on investigation of basic resources of China [1] and the National Natural Science Foundation of China.[1]"

it's also displayed by this source[2] which says his work is funded by the Australian government.

  1. ^ a b Wu, Fan; Zhao, Su; Yu, Bin; Chen, Yan-Mei; Wang, Wen; Song, Zhi-Gang; Hu, Yi; Tao, Zhao-Wu; Tian, Jun-Hua; Pei, Yuan-Yuan; Yuan, Ming-Li; Zhang, Yu-Ling; Dai, Fa-Hui; Liu, Yi; Wang, Qi-Min; Zheng, Jiao-Jiao; Xu, Lin; Holmes, Edward C.; Zhang, Yong-Zhen (2020). "A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China". Nature. 579 (7798): 265–269. Bibcode:2020Natur.579..265W. doi:10.1038/s41586-020-2008-3. ISSN 0028-0836. PMC 7094943. PMID 32015508.
  2. ^ "Professor Holmes driven by the pursuit of scientific truth". The University of Sydney. Retrieved 2020-09-15.

Irtapil (talk) 05:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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