Talk:Elite overproduction

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I reverted that most recent commit due to it being from a Telegraph opinion piece, but I made the mistake of not looking at the rest of the history before doing so, and did not realize this seems to be turning into a fight over that one line with various editors removing it/adding it back. Can we come to an agreement on if we're going to keep that line there?

The line in question is "As the educated class continues to the left, woke culture grows in popularity." in the United Kingdom section, with the reference for it going to [1]https://archive.is/PY0QB#selection-1425.431-1425.435 AlexChillOut (talk) 17:31, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, the word 'woke' stirs up some people. Changed the wording and found another source. Nerd271 (talk) 15:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still a bit skeptical of the sources put there, sure two sources are better than one, but they're also still opinion pieces. How is "woke culture" or "left-wing ideals" being measured here? AlexChillOut (talk) 21:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is not a secret that academia is perceived by many as being more left-wing than it was in the past. This is just another aspect of the cultural war. Nerd271 (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Nerd271, you're right that your addition is logically related to the previous sentence, however the difference is that the previous sentence discusses the numbers of graduates in the context of elite overproduction, whereas your article is about a single college and doesn't mention elite overproduction at all. Alaexis_¿question? 22:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the article in full, you will find more than one school being mentioned. An article does not have to specifically mention the topic to be relevant now, does it? Nerd271 (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier reference - Brookings study of Egypt in 2016.[edit]

See also "Educated but Unemployed: The Challenge Facing Egypt’s Youth", which describes this problem in Egypt as of 2016. Egypt hit this problem long before the US did. In the 1960s, "university education and subsequent employment in the public sector was the main vehicle for social mobility, as students were guaranteed a government job upon graduation." By the mid 1980s, "The government was increasingly unable to absorb the new graduates into the public sector, so they simply extended the waiting period between graduation and appointment, from three years for the class of 1979 to nine to ten years for the class of 1985."

The article needs to reflect more non-US information. John Nagle (talk) 18:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The earliest reference to the work of Peter Turchin in this article is dated 2010. But including more information about different societies or civilizations is a sound suggestion. Nerd271 (talk) 23:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]