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Im deleting the bit about beach soccer "sex orgies" in southern asia...

Anon user 158.37.75.54 has edited the entry claiming that his full name is Eric Danielle Phillipe Cantona. I can find no reference anywhere on the web to corroborate this, and am suspicious as "Danielle" would appear to be a female name (Daniel, OK). Therefore reverting the article. -- Arwel 16:31, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Play Beautiful Commercial

Does someone want to add information on his new "Play Beautiful" or Joga Bonita commercial from Nikesoccer?

Just a suggestion. User:208.36.237.204

You can do it, if you feel it's important.
Slumgum 12:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

It should be "joga bonito".

Romany?

It is claimed on the Wiki list of Roma people that Cantona is Romany. Does anyone have a source for this?

Cantona is a Corsican name. There is a strong Corsican community in Marseilles. As far as being a "roma", I have no clue. Possible... Many settled down and abandoned nomadism because of their bad image (most consider "les gens du voyage" (travelers) thieves, not to be trusted). --WhiteEcho 18:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

"...Eric Cantona was of the Manouche group of Gypsies. No; the former French football star was from a Marseilles family who were Calo Gypsies." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.247.127 (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
"Muñoz debunked the racism and discrimination and stereotyping in Europe’s media toward the Romany. He talked about Gypsy integration into so many facets of life: artistic, athletic, academic...he wrote, “that most soccer fans do not know that many of their admired idols are Gypsies.” He listed them, too many to count, but including fantastic players like Eric Cantona, Hristo Stoichkov, Gheorghe Hagi, and back in the 1950s, the legendary Telmo Zarraonandia, or Zarra, who scored 20 goals in 20 games for Spain.[1]

What does this part mean?

"Cantona has continued his interest in Beach soccer games in southern asia. "

Can anyone clarify it? THanks. --Awiseman 03:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it means his new interest is in beach soccer and that he trains and coaches teams in that sport now, coaching the French squad to victory in the first beach soccer world cup. --WhiteEcho 18:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Coach insult

I added the content of Cantona's insult to his coach. He called him a "sac à merde", with roughly means "shitbag", or a "bag full of shit". Hope it's not too offensive for Wikipedia, though.Koubiak 21:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Auxerre

What did Cantona mean when he said England deserves Auxerre? I know he was an Auxerre player at one time but what was his relationship with the club when he said this, and in what context did he say it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JamesTheNumberless (talk • contribs) 14:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

censorship

I was just wondering if it is necessary to censor the quote by Roy Keane. If he actually said "he owned the fucking place" then we should put that, because I seriously doubt he said "the f-asterix-asterix-asterix-asterix-asterix-g place" I wanted some user input before I change this. jstupple7 03:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not up for censorship of Wikipedia as (I believe) most people aren't. Cheers, Crassic (talk • contribs) 07:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

world cup absence

Cantona alongside Best, Gigsy and Di Stefano were some of the most decorated footballers to not feature in a world cup. This is quite the notable fact and should not be removed. It was removed by ThuranX who never edits football articles and probably knows fuckall about Cantona or the world cup. Alfredo Di Stéfano's article even has a paragraph dedicated to this fact. Not notable? Are you having a laugh! Rule1girlfriend 08:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Career in France

Is there any reason to omit Cantona carreer in France? It's visible in list of clubs he played in, but not in main part of the article. It was deleted about 1,5 month ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.152.6.32 (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I just came here to ask about this, too. A major ommission from the article, surely? Angmering 12:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I've now restored this to the main article. It seems this was deleted in an act of vandalism and not reverted correctly. Simon KHFC 12:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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Unsourced quotes

I can't seem to find corroboration for many of the quotes attributed to Eric Cantona on the page, especially the ones added in the edits by 90.192.223.247.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_Cantona&diff=next&oldid=225218845

  • "A song I associate with this uncontrollable desire is play that funky music white boy or, alternatively Bad Boys"

et cetera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.114.142.214 (talk) 23:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

main photo

It was taken off a couple days ago, someone should add another picture or add the template (No free images available, do you own one? CLICK HERE) that sort of thing.


I have a few. I'll see what I can do. Cantona Kungfu (talk) 05:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

POV

"and managed a paltry three goals". POV, methinks?

Pronunciation

Surely there should be an IPA since a lot of people stress the 2nd syllable when it should be the first much like David Ginola, Mathieu Flamini and Michel Platini Spiderone (talk) 18:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I've never heard anyone stress the second syllable (i.e. Can-TO-na), but you're right that there should be an IPA pronunciation guide for the newbies. – PeeJay 00:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

"general" and "specific" references

  • The refs section is divided into "general" and "specific" refs. Two very large problems with this:
  1. The things we are calling "specific references" simply are not references. they do not provide full bibliographic detail. They should be called Notes.. because in fact they are Notes.
  2. Use of an idiosyncratic style that is unique to Wikipedia makes us look terribly unprofessional. We are not geocities. Choose any accepted style you like, but if you want respect, choose a style that is accepted.
  • Based largely on reason #1 above (the logic is unassailable), I am correcting the format of the refs.
  • Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 11:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
  • well OK I took a serious stab at fixing things. A couple sites seem to be mirrors and/or blogs and so are probably not acceptable. At least one ("French Star's 'Stain' on English Soccer - International Herald Tribune") is no longer accessible. So the work is far from done, but I added a lot of info. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Manchester United

The first date mentioned is clearly incorrect: "Cantona signed for United on 26 November 2002". I don't know the correct date, so I shan't change it. As I recall, it was around '96, but not certain. Cheers Seesourshoot (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've checked the table at the bottom, which states his first season at United as having been 1992-'93, so I shall change the year of his signing to 1992. Please can someone who knows verify the day and month? Cheers Seesourshoot (talk) 14:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Mark Simmons

"Simmons was later tried for threatening language and behaviour. He received a seven-day prison sentence, but only served 24 hours of his sentence.[10] It was also revealed that Simmons had previous criminal convictions, including an attempted violent robbery in 1992 where he had attacked a Sri Lankan petrol station worker with a spanner in Croydon, and that he had attended a National Front rally a short time before the Selhurst Park incident.[10] His conviction and sentence also resulted in a £500 fine as well as a one-year ban from all football grounds in England and Wales.[11]"

Why is this relevant in an article about Eric Cantona? Cantona kicked a fan and received a ban; do we need to hear the fan's life story? 192.93.164.23 (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not quiet sure how wiki works. I don't mean this to be on the main page, rather a discussion topic, but I trust that being a semi protected page the moderators will deal with it before it goes live.

Just who the hell wrote paragraph 5 of the "French national team" section? I know you have moderators on here and they work really hard, but surely it's within the interests of the community as a whole if the moderators aren't complete spastics?

Sort it out wiki, Eric is a legend of the game and especially to the team I've supported since birth, Manchester United. So it would be nice if you could get even the very basics of grammar correct in your so called encyclopedic depiction of him.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manutdtalk (talk • contribs) 02:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Right spelling

Eric Cantona is not the right spelling in French: his name is written Éric Cantona. So the protection is a bad solution to protect a bad title smiley... Hégésippe | ±Θ± 21:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

In (good) french, there is no accent on capital letters.
Étienne, États-Unis, École de management de Lyon, Égypte, Émirats arabes unis, Équateur, Érythrée, Éthiopie, Éric Abidal...--Caio Brandão Costa (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Spot on; this is the English language Wikipedia, and we use English language spelling, particularly per how Cantona's name is usually rendered in English. The French Wikipedia is free to take a different position. Rodhullandemu 00:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I only wanted to show that "in (good) french, there is no accent on capital letters" is wrong. And well, I think Pelé is most usually rendered in English as "Pele". Does anybody think that his article should be moved? :) The same applies to Luís Figo, Slobodan Milošević...--Caio Brandão Costa (talk) 06:29, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Refimprove tag

The article has better sources than some, but it still inadequate, particularly in relation to his football, and post-football career. I'll just say that per WP:BLP we are required to provide these sources, or lose the content, and it is perhaps only that lack that is preventing this article from become at least a Good Article. Rodhullandemu 00:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Political Engagement

see for example http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8155653/Eric-Cantonas-bank-protest-becomes-internet-hit.html --Severino (talk) 12:44, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

This was added under beach football: "Eric Cantona has called for a social revolution against the banks and encouraged customers of the major retail banks to withdraw their money in protest of the Global Financial Crisis. [1]"--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 15:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
ok but why did you delete it? you didn't move it but delete.--Severino (talk) 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.france24.com/en/20101202-lagarde-tackles-cantona-over-banks-protest-YouTube

Manchester United Player Of the Century

I can find no website that gives details of this vote or the other candidates - I suspect that this has been added by a fan, and then the Wikipedia entry has been subsequently referenced by other websites. If anyone can provide a definitive link to this then I'm happy to re-instate the title. Coopuk (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I have checked the Manchester United official website, and the entry for Cantona has no reference to him being voted "player of the century" - I would have thought they would have mentioned it?: http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/Legends/Eric-Cantona.aspx?pageNo=1 Coopuk (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
He was certainly voted Manchester United's greatest ever player a few years ago. Not sure if it was a "player of the century" award, but he definitely won. – PeeJay 16:06, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for that! Can we provide links from an official source such as the ManU website, and not just a fan website? I have suspicions that although Cantona is widely admired by the fans, that the "Manchester United Player Of the Century" poll may be an over enthusiastic fan. Willing to be proved wrong though! Coopuk (talk) 19:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
It was in the Manchester United magazine about 10 years ago, so I doubt there are any weblinks, but I can definitely provide a page reference in the particular issue. – PeeJay 20:06, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Great! If we can get that info then we should definitely put it back in as a referenced source. Coopuk (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, the reference (pre-formatted) is as follows:
  • Ganguly, Aubrey (2001). Ganguly, Aubrey (ed.). "Eric and us". United (100). Manchester: Future Publishing: 42–48. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
Hope that's useful. – PeeJay 21:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Cheers! I have edited the header to include the reference. Coopuk (talk) 10:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Premiership championships

a fact I believe to be true is that the team Eric played for won the Premiership title every year he was in England other than when he was banned for half a season. This may be worth mentioning as is an incredible and unparalleled achievement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.25.172 (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm deleting this. Just because he was banned for half a season doesn't mean he didn't compete in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.228.82.143 (talk) 13:27, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:OPENPARA

Openpara requires we give the full correct name of living persons in lede. This includes French accents, as in the example used there, François Maurice Adrien Marie Mitterrand. In this case that includes the É majuscule for Éric, as found on Cantona's own collection of photos for the homelessness charity he supports:

The majority of French websites, tabloid newsmedia cannot represent the É majuscule, Édouard, Émile, most Érics (Eric also exists without the accent particularly in Belgium, under influence of Dutch Erick), Élisabeth, Étienne, etc. but this is a typographic problem. As Cantona's own book shows, when stylized as éric cantona the é is present, as also in the La Vie interview about Éric Cantona's social activism. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I just saw Switch and don't think É was used on the credits at the end, there isn't much of Cantona in the film unfortunately. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:50, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Stats

  • He only played Charity Shield matches, not the other ones mentioned.
  • Regarding the French cup matches; they are actually international matches for France – so there have been done a mistake here.
  • He scored two goals in CL 1992–93; one against Stuttgart and one against Rangers.
  • According to his Premier League profile he played 21 games for United in 1992–93, not 22.

62.50.175.31 (talk) 04:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea about the French stats, I'm just going on what was reported in "The Complete Eric Cantona" by Darren Phillips (although I need to get a look at my copy of "The Rebel Who Would Be King" by Philippe Auclair for corroboration). The Champions League stats for Leeds are also from the Phillips book, so I may need to start treating that source with a pinch of salt (even though it claims to include "Every Game - Every Goal"). His Manchester United stats, however, are definitely wrong; he started 21 games and came on as a sub once in 1992-93 (see [2]). – PeeJay 16:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Also, if Cantona scored against Stuttgart, it must have been in the game in which the result was forfeited in Leeds' favour because Leeds didn't score in the first leg and Cantona was substituted without scoring in the play-off match. Also, Phillips claims that Gary Speed, Gary McAllister, Gordon Strachan and Lee Chapman scored in the original second leg. – PeeJay 17:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
UEFA says it was Cantona that scored, and not Strachan: [3]. Also I found this YouTube video: [4]; definitely Cantona who scored (pass by Strachan). And you are correct that it was the match that was forfeited, but UEFA includes it anyway: [5]. Anyhow; it is either 4 apps, one goal or 5 apps, two goals. 5 apps, one goal will be half right, half wrong. – 62.50.175.31 (talk) 23:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough. By the way, the sub appearance Cantona made for United in 1992-93 was his debut, so I'm very surprised the Premier League didn't notice it! – PeeJay 23:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

seagull philosophy

i've changed the seagull English version according to the French version, i.e. "trawler" instead of "trawlers". the guy is from Marseille a fishing harbour hence the fishy reference. i undersrtand is phrase as the "Seagulls" are the journalists (asking him for a justification), and the "trwaler" as himself. with "sardines" as the awaited justifications. i graduated in French philosophy at high school once so you can believe me... Shame On You 08:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

No offence, but it was not a hard concept to understand. Understanding French philosophy is not needed. It does not even have anything to do with it.80.195.94.103 17:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe that Cantona later confessed that he planned to give away an obscure and meaningless sentence to journalists just to see what they would do of it. Sadly I can't find a citation for this. Any takers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.225.66 (talk) 13:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The main article seems to suggest the "Seagull" qoute was from a press conference after the match. It was not. The seagull quote was delivered after his appeal against a prison sentance for the incident was reduced to community service and it wasn't delivered until the 31/03/1995 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veadar100 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Born in Marseille, not Paris

Eric Cantona was born in Marseille, not Paris. His whole family is from Marseille and never lived in Paris.

Prove it. I have several sources that state that he was born in Paris. He moved to Marseille at an early age, I'll grant you, but he was certainly born in Paris. Anyway, who's to say that the family wasn't on holiday in Paris when he was born, or that they were in Paris for some other reason. Nevertheless, Cantona was definitely born in Paris. – PeeJay 15:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Page 10 of the Éric Cantona biography "Cantona: The man who would be king" by Phillipe Auclair (paperback 2010 edition): "To find the house in which Éric Cantona was BORN, you board a gleaming, air-conditioned tram that takes you uphill from the heart of MARSEILLES' Old Town." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.180.64 (talk) 23:12, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Mark Robins

United's goalscoring problems in early 1992-93 were not really caused by Mark Robins' sale at all (2 goals in 8 appearances in the previous season) - there were more significant reasons. I have edited this.

This footballer never played any FIFA World Cup

He never played at any FIFA World Cup because his national team failed to qualify for Italy 1990 and USA 1994, and that also he retired in 1997. 190.31.140.93 (talk) 00:35, 26 April 2014 (CET)

Yes, we know. There are literally thousands of players who have never played at a World Cup, so you don't need to make a big song and dance about any particular individual. – PeeJay 10:09, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

This is only a comment, and this footballer is notable.186.125.73.107 (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2014 (CET)

There are thousands of "notable" footballers who never played at a World Cup, so what makes Eric Cantona so special? – PeeJay 23:00, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

But, seriously and obviously, also there are literally thousands of players who have never played at any FIFA World Cup, not only this. 186.125.73.107 (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2014 (CET)

What are you talking about? The anonymous editor who started this thread seems to think that we need to make special mention of the fact that Eric Cantona never played in a World Cup; I want to know why. – PeeJay 23:47, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Éric not Eric?

Why is this article at Éric Cantona, not Eric Cantona? The common name in English, which is what we go by, according to all the references (United website, FIFA, FA website, BBC news), is Eric, not Éric. Unless I see a good reason, I will move it back in a few days.

See also WP:UE - only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form. Proto::► 11:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I can't even find any usages of "Éric" by searching in site:.fr domains! Might be entirely spurious. Morwen - Talk 14:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The only website that has the diacriticicised "E" for Eric outside of this article is fr.wikipedia - which leads me think they have it wrong, too. Proto::► 14:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Fixed. Not a single valid reference for "Éric" (the French Wikipedia is not a valid reference). Proto::► 19:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, Encarta calls him "Éric" too[6]. _R_ 23:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Mm, but it should be pointed out that's the French Encarta. Fifa uses Eric, not Éric, and I would submit they are the final say on all things football. Neil ☎ 11:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
It is spelled Éric in french, always. Some people omit the accent because it is very uneasy to type it on a french keyboard under windows, that's the only reason why one can sometimes find it spelled "Eric". I doubt FIFA could be used as a typography reference in any case. :) Med 16:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I have just seen the page has been moved back to the erroneous title. If you want more example of the spelling of Éric you can check http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Prefixindex&from=%C3%89ric_Abidal&prefix=%C3%89 . Med 16:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
There is no valid reason to call him Eric, when his french name is Éric. In french, the accents make all the difference the way you pronounce words. His name is pronounced Ai-ri-c. without the accent it would change to Euh-ri-c. Which would be a new french name, since all Éric are apelled with an accent ( and I know what I'm talking about). Meodudlye 17:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Consensus, Wikipedia policy, and reliable sources say "Eric". I don't care how Eric Abidal is or is not spelled. And while FIFA are not typography experts, they are the resource for how to spell a footballer's name - FIFA, after all, hold international registrations.(in English, et en Francais) (Also BBC, The FA, UEFA, l'OM, Le Monde. How you think it should be spelled is neither here nor there. It is Eric. Consensus here says it is not Éric. Policy here says it is not Éric. All the sources say it is not Éric. Knock it off. Neil ☎ 19:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
As i have already stated the diacritic is often omitted for practical reasons due to the limitations of the french windows keyboard layout and to the lack of knowledge of editors. This can even impact serious publications. Otherwise Le Monde has the policy to never write diacritics on capital letters (breaking the french typography rules but it is their business), therefore it is certainly not a good source to know if there is an accent or not. Repeating a mistake does not make it correct. In addition on fr: the article title is "Éric Cantona" and it has never been debated. Med 19:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Nil ( Sorry if I mispelled your name, I write it the way I pronounce it, same as you do with my name, since I'm also named Éric). I could not care less what FIFA says. Éric Cantona is named Éric on his passport ( you may argue that I do not have a copy of his passport available, but I know how you write names as common as Éric in french so I'm pretty confident about that). So there is no obvious reason, apart from bad faith from your side, to decide to write it Eric. Meodudlye 20:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
FIFA are a better authority on the matter than you. The obvious reasons are the relevant policy here on the English Wikipedia (WP:UE, all the references above, and the prior discussions above. I have asked for further input. Je suis vraiment désolé mes amis, mais vous êtes totalement faux. Neil ☎ 21:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Do you realise you are telling a french guy how to write his own name? Don't you find this a bit arrogant from your part? Why do you keep writing erroneous informations? This is just ridiculous. Moreover names are always written with diacritics. You can find thousands and thousands of example of this on en:. Oh and it is certainly inappropriate to use your admin powers to push your own POV as you have done, forbidding to rename the page as it should. Med 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
POV-pushing and english Wikipedia policy are not the same thing. I am not telling you how to spell your name, for all I care you can spell it Ẽŕį©. I am telling you how the Eric in Eric Cantona is spelled, on the English Wikipedia - it is spelled in line with our policy, (WP:UE), and per all the references I gave above. Neil ☎ 22:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines and the source agree that it's best to use "Eric" and not "Éric", regardless of whether that's the proper way to spell it. Wikidudeman (talk) 21:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

In (good) french, there is no accent on capital letters.

I can't believe such a mess for a so obvious matter, and still after all this time NOT A SINGLE CHANGE AT ALL??...this is just ridiculous (but so evidently disrepectful) ! - unless you already saw a doctor, I suggest you to take a better look on the german, italian, etc., versions if you really need to be convinced (which i doubt a lot : you can't ignore the truth)
TO CLOSE THE THING PROPERLY ONCE AND FOR ALL, PLEASE READ WHAT FOLLOWS : I don't know what you really stand for, & i don't care but you might also take a look at the Eric Satie page, and adopt this example : keep the "title" as you like it (or make it look more english with a "K" if you really like to make your struggle more effective & clear), but as the article reads his whole names the line after, i think it would be wise to put the diacritic at least there !!--89.80.67.108 (talk) 20:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

In the biography "Cantona: The rebel who would be king" Phillipe Auclair writes "Éric" throughout the entire thing. Surely, if it's good enough for his passport and his birth certificate, it's good enough for wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.180.64 (talk) 22:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Further to above i.e. there is now a valid ENGLISH LANGUAGE reference to Éric Cantona's proper name : Éric Cantona. "Not a single valid reference for "Éric" " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.180.64 (talk) 23:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

In proper French (i.e. according to l'Académie française) one writes accents on proper names. "en français, l'accent a pleine valeur orthographique" http://french.about.com/library/writing/bl-capitalization3.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.36.160 (talk) 10:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

For some reason, English language users often don't seem to like accents. Re Talk:Celine Dion, where even the mentioning of her accented name didn't seem worth including in the article.--Paracel63 (talk) 12:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


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