Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2018/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2017

First request

I am requesting permission to edit. דביר520 (talk) 17:09, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

•  Declined it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Wes Wolf ^Talk 17:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Second request

Please remove the participation of the USA and Adam Lambert, as well as Joe McElderry for the UK, as neither of these things has been verified by any broadcaster or official source. Azaad Sadiq (talk) 23:01, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done Looks like your request has been acted upon. Sadly, the odd bit of vandalism will slip through the net, nothing we can do to prevent that I'm afraid. Wes Wolf ^Talk 18:27, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

San Marino

Should information regarding this be added to the other countries section? 87.208.34.89 (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Not sure here lately they have said similar in past but for the time being I went ahead and added it in because if they decide not to participate then this would be good to include. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 15:46, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Location map many

Just wanting to get feedback on the addition of the three maps in one under the 'Location' header. -- AxG / ✉  19:34, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Host city

According to this, RTP has apparently changed its mind and will indeed have a bidding phase for the host city. So, for now, Lisbon is not host city. Yoyo360 (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm interesting. I had a gut feeling that Lisbon was chosen too soon and that the press may have been getting ahead of themselves too quickly. I'm more than happy to see the host city put back to TBA. Although we would need to reflect all of this in the bidding section, noting that early reports were that Lisbon had been chosen, but RTP later changed that decision and are considering other cities to submit bids. Wes Wolf ^Talk 00:01, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Italy

The source (and Italian source Eurofestival News) isn't explicit confirming that Italy will participate in 2018 edition, Rai 1 director spoke only about the transformation of San Remo using the ESC method, so I think that Italy have to be moved to Other countries and removed from confirmed countries. --Gce (talk) 16:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Gce, that this piece of information should be moved to 'other countries' for the time being. Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:19, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done --Gce (talk) 12:55, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Gce: you've forgotten to update the participation figures in both the lead and infobox section, following your edit on Italy . Wes Wolf ^Talk 12:56, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Ops XD --Gce (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

LOL I did have a bit of a giggle. I fixed for you anyway. Wouldn't be the first time I've forgotten to update the figures. Wes Wolf ^Talk 15:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Portugal as host - unconfirmed?

Although traditionally the host country is the winner of the previous edition, to my knowledge it hasn't been actually confirmed that Portugal will be hosting the contest. Correct me if I'm wrong, but perhaps it would be best to remove that information until it can be properly sourced? --ThatJosh (talk) 10:40, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Nope, winning country automatically receives the right to host the next year contest. Unless it refuses to do so. But from the moment of winning it's assumed that Portugal is going to host. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 10:53, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@ThatJosh:, Jon Ola Sand even stated at the press conference that he looks forward to working with RTP and issued their delegation the traditional welcome pack for hosting. And I do recall a few months ago that RTP did even publicly announce that they are ready to host if they were to win the contest. So balance of probability is that Portugal will host, especially with multiple reliable and primary sources all stating "See you in Portugal next May". Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:52, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@ThatJosh: RTP just confirmed hosting city will be Lisbon, so it's confirmed Portugal will host Eurovision 2018. Venue not yet confirmed but likely to be MEO Arena. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdoliveira (talk) 13:43, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Hdoliveira: unfortunately a source is required to verify this information. We cannot accept the word of one person, as that is original research. Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

• Finally we have a source . Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:50, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: It was on RTP's news this afternoon: . If this isn't good, I'm sure RTP will confirm it in a statement later these following weeks. Being this true, no bidding will happen from other cities — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdoliveira (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Hdoliveira: Firstly, please remember to sign your comments before posting them on any talk page, you can do this by adding four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment; or w With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button ( or ) located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.

Secondly, I respect that it was probably announced on RTP's news channel, but you need to take into account that not everyone is able to watch the broadcaster, as this article is accessed by people from around the world, and RTP only broadcasters to people in Portugal. A citation is a published report online that can be accessed by anyone, anywhere. As I had noted above, a reliable source has now been published and the article updated accordingly. Wes Wolf ^Talk 14:08, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

• Thirdly, bidding may still happen, just not in the case of selecting a host city. This happened in 2012 when Baku was selected as the city, but a bidding process still went ahead for the host venue. It is probable that MSO Arena will be selected, but we cannot assume that will be the case. Wes Wolf ^Talk 14:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: Understood. Will take it into account if I have any other info worth publishing Helder Oliveira 14:15, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: All cities mentioned so far are only rumoured to be interested in hosting. None of them has come forward stating "We are interested. We are going to bid.", not even Lisbon. Porto is the only one that has clearly excluded itself. Should we then remove them from the 'Bidding phase' section? Even if they were mentioned in official TV and online news media as potential bidding cities? Parutakupiu (talk) 19:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

To editor Parutakupiu: you are misinterpreting WP:RUMOUR. In your edit summary you wrote "Two more potential host cities (all rumoured not confirmed)". Now unless I am seeing a mirage, I'm pretty certain you wrote "rumoured". The Wikipedia policy on handling rumoured content is as follows "speculation and rumour, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content". The cities in the bidding section thus far have expressed their interest, which is verified by their respective sources. You stated in your summary that two more potential but all rumoured. That is a different context from expressing an interest. If both have expressed an interest, then it would be a different story all together. But has you noted they are merely "potential" and "rumours", then they are not exactly an "expression of interest". Wes Wolf ^Talk 19:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

• To put into Layman's terms: I could say "Donald Trump is interested in making a cup of coffee". That is a verified interest. Someone else could say "Donald Trump is rumoured to be interested in making a cup of coffee". That would be a WP:RUMOUR. Same would apply with these cities. The ones listed have openly expressed an interest, albeit not placed their bid yet. The two you added are only "rumoured" to be interested, but nothing substantial to confirm they are actually interested. Wes Wolf ^Talk 19:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Alright. I found another reliable online news source (in Portuguese) mentioning and quoting "interest" from the mayors of Guimarães, Faro and Santa Maria da Feira, so maybe I can add it? Parutakupiu (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

To editor Parutakupiu: those three cities are already listed and cited in the article, as far as I can see anyway. It was the two which you added that are allegedly "rumours". Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Slovenia dispute

@Jjj1238, So Hood, and Yoyo360: the edit history for the articles shows the three of you adding and removing the same content regarding Slovenia. As it is imperative to avoid WP:WAR and WP:3RR, I strongly urge the three of you to discuss this dispute and reach a WP:CONSENSUS decision, in order to avoid blocking sanctions, which I'm sure neither of you would ever want to encounter. Other's are also welcome to share their views on this topic. Wes Wolf ^Talk 12:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Some more information I found

I found various sources that could change the wikipedia. Last time I found out that some wikipedia's included more information. Now I have a few sources to add them. First, I found out that RTK is hoping for a participation in 2018. Because they hope Portugal would help them entering. Because Portugal recognized Kosovo. Here is the source. Also I found that famous singer Alain Clark is available for The Netherlands at the Eurovision Song Contest in 2018. Here is also the source to add this. Last but not least I found a source to verify the stadium choices in Matosinhos, Santa Maria da Feira, Guimarães and Portimão. It's here. I hope this information will be checked and I hope I signed my comment on the good way. ~~Sadiemydog~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.84.40.142 (talk) 10:12, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sadiemydog1: I looked over your requests but didn't see that anyone replied back about the information you listed here about so here is what was and wasn't added:

 Done - Another editor(s) already have the information about Kosovo and Alain Clark for the Netherlands included in the article.

 Declined - I didn't add the stadium choices to the article because the source didn't clearly identify if those stadiums were part of the cities bid to host the contest. I used a translator to read the article and from what I can tell the article was suggesting venues that are located in the cities mentioned in the article that are already listed in the English Wikipedia page for Eurovision.

What Wes meant by signing comments is if you just type ~~~~ after your comment the system will automatically sign your comments on talk pages for you when you save your edit. Also there is a button you can click above the "Edit summary" field that will add ~~~~ beside your comment for you. When your logged into Wikipedia they system will put your username beside your comment, if you are logged out it will put your IP address beside your comment. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 08:06, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

What about Kosovo, Lebanon and the Bidding Phase

According to the French, Portuguese and Russian wikipedia Guimarães, Faro and Santa Maria de Feira are also inside the Bidding Phase. Also according to the Russian and German wikipedia, Lebanon and Kosovo are also looking for debutation into the Eurovision Song Contest. Are these things all true, is the wikipedia a bit outdated or are other wikipedia's not relaying on the facts? Will this be updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadiemydog1 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't think other wikipedia is a valid source unless those articles have valid sources within them. Rhysy54 (talk) 19:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately we cannot do this per WP:CITEWIKI. Any content to be added to English Wikipedia requires a physical reliable citation from an independent source - per WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:PSTS, and WP:V. Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

• Also Sadiemydog1 please remember to sign your comments before saving them, by using four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I checked the all of the other Wikipedia's with the Eurovision Song Contest 2018 article and only the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias mention Lebanon. The sources provided in the Russian Wikipedia just reference their failed attempt back in 2005 while the Ukrainian Wikipedia doesn't have any sources. It looks like to me in those two versions of Wikipedia the info on Lebanon is original research. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 08:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Either Israel or Norway

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Norway`s LO organisation have decided on a complete boycott of Israel, including culture. that prevents Norway from broadcasting the song from Israel next year. i have found a source but since you keep refusing to check my sources i suggest that you find one yourself.84.212.111.156 (talk) 13:08, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Please keep your comments WP:CIVIL, if you wish for other's to take you seriously. Provide a source for it to be reviewed for reliability and verification of truth. If it is proven to be true then the chances of its inclusion will be higher. if proven false, then it will be seen as one of your rumours yet again. You need to bear in mind that every year without fail, you come along and post this extortionate claims about Norway, only for them to be proven wrong. It is turning into the old Peter and the Wolf syndrome, and people are starting to find it very difficult to believe your claims, especially when they are proven to be mere rumours and falsehood. Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC) i provided a source last time but you closed my topic without even checking it. this is harassment.84.212.111.156 (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

To throw my hat into the ring, I've never heard of these rumours. Ever. And every country knows the penalties in place for such an action. Pointless even adding it in ever unless it actually happens Rhysy54 (talk) 10:44, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Rhysy54: that is the point that I and other Wikipedian's have tried to put across to this IP year-after-year. Hence what I said above about Peter and the Wolf - which if you are familiar with the story, it is about a boy who cries wolf time and time again as a prank to his fellow villagers, and they never believe him. And eventually on day he cries wolf and is telling the truth, but the villagers do not believe him due to the previous lies he told. I can put a bet on this IP returning around January 2018 saying the same story, and again in May 2018 stating Norway's withdrawal in 2019. Wes Wolf ^Talk 11:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

the thing here is that you hate me and therefore does not respect me. it is not really known if israel participated and then norway have no reason to stay away. LO is a powerful organisation however.84.212.111.156 (talk) 01:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Hate is a strong word that I would never use, so you clearly do not know me very well, otherwise you would have known that fact. The truth of the matter is that you post these ridiculous claims year-after-year-after-year, and without even providing any evidence to back-up your claims. So I'm sorry to be harsh in saying this, but your view is nothing more than just your personal view and probably personal hatred towards Norway and now Israel. It has already been proven that your "account" on Israel is fake, as they have applied for EBU membership ready to participate. If you wish for people to take you seriously, then start to act seriously. Wes Wolf ^Talk 01:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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Spain and Israel

Resolved

 – Both countries were move to the 'Other Countries' section. No further action required. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion, the presence of Spain is not correct as it has been denied that Operacion Triumfo (or whatever the exact name is, I forgot it, sorry) has been chosen as a selection. Meaning Spain doesn't have a selection yet. And in fact they haven't even confirmed they'll be in yet.

As for Israel, Keshet may have begun preparations for HaKoKhav HaBa but... IBA closed and the new broadcaster doesn't meet the requirements to be an EBU member (yet, once angain). They'll have to apply and wait to become active members. So... as of today, Israel has not confirmed participation.

Thank you. Yoyo360 (talk) 08:50, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Israel should really be moved into the 'other countries' section due to the recent circumstances. Detailing the fact they had confirmed, but since IBA has closed, their participation will be dependant on the new broadcaster ascertaining EBU membership. Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Israel not confirmed

Resolved

 – Map was updated and no longer shows Israel as confirmed. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Please change the map colour — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.128.214.2 (talk) 05:50, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Escapenews

Resolved

 – Website is relatively new. Feel free to add them to the list of sources used by WikiProject Eurovision for further reviewing. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:10, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure if escapenews.com are reliable or not, but they are writing that Monaco won't participate next year. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 13:46, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I'd treat this website with caution for now, seeing as they have never been used before and are not on the list of websites at WP:ESC. Wes Wolf ^Talk 14:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Some kind of confirmation from Montenegro

Resolved

 – Montenegro were move to the 'Other Countries' section. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Head of Delegation for Montenegro Sabrija Vulić stated in an interview that its important to participate in Eurovision albeit having failures. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, I've fixed the citation, as talk pages can use references within threads simply by using {{Reflist-talk}}. In reply to the actual post itself, I'm inclined to say place the information in 'other countries' until more accurate confirmation can be sought. We wouldn't want to start discombobulating people. Wes Wolf ^Talk 18:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

The part where he says that Montenegro's failure to qualify for the final this year wouldn't make them withdraw, because promoting Montenegro is more important makes me a bit hesitant to add them under "Other countries". Also an English article about it has been written. We could also just wait for more information concerning participation from RTCG. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 20:38, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ahmedo Semsurî: we should wait for more information. The comments only come from the HoD, who doesn't have the final say on participation. It is up to RTCG, who are responsible for paying the fee, who make the ultimate decision on whether Montenegro take part or not. So the news report by itself, does not show indication of provisional or confirmed participation. Hence why I suggest that 'other countries' would be more appropriate, until a final decision from RTCG is published. Wes Wolf ^Talk 21:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Russia can't participate in 2018 because it's not going to broadcast the contest in 2017

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Those are the rules of the contest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.147.196.47 (talk) 19:48, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I believe this rule was changed in 2013. There have been other instances of countries participating a year after not broadcasting the contest. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That rule was abolished. So yes, they can participate in 2018. Something which even the EBU have said in an official statement. Wes Wolf ^Talk 19:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Czech Republic didn't broadcast 2014 contest, retuned in 2015. Croatia and Bosnia Herzegovina didn't broadcast the 2015 contest but returned to 2016. JeanisDEL, 17:25, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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Indirect confirmation from BBC

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 – UK were move to the 'Other Countries' section. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:14, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

So this article states that: "BBC chiefs are turning to Swedish champion Måns Zelmerlöw to help the UK win Eurovision next year." Should we add the UK as a confirmed country? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 16:05, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ahmedo Semsurî: short answer, no. That is why I added it to the other countries, and was explicit in my prose in noting that official confirmation from the BBC has yet to be published. The source is just an interview in which Zelmerlow has said the BBC have approached him. That is just one side of the story. For this to become official confirmation, we need the other side of the story - the BBC's side. Wes Wolf ^Talk 16:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, did not even see the UK under "Other countries". --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 16:54, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Israel: IPBC and KAN are the same thing

Resolved

 – Correction made. No further action. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:15, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

This article talks about two corporations, IPBC and KAN, who might replace the now discontinued IBA. But actually they are the same corporation: IPBC is the formal name, KAN is the how it is being branded. See Wikipedia article on IPBC/KAN (Israeli Broadcasting Corporation). I can't edit the article, it's semi-locked for another week or two. Tmo793 (talk) 08:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

I've made the edit, also providing information about planned and delayed split. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 10:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Morocco

Could the map be enlarged a bit to include most of Morocco? Odemirense (talk) 20:26, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

The map is the same as previous articles and has not had any problems. I don't see a problem with what is there already and we are still awaiting confirmation of entry/non entry Rhysy54 (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I hope Morocco will withdraw the next year. ZoriAlexandra08 (talk) 11:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2017

Shiny Hunter 2.0 (talk) 07:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello ! I would like to edit this page :) There are new countries who confirmed their participation so I want to add them.

Shiny Hunter 2.0 (talk) 07:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Which countries confirmed their participation? Gulumeemee (talk) 09:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Israeli participation

KAN told me on Facebook that they will participate and also auditions for "The Next Star for Eurovision 2018" started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.139.5.179 (talk) 11:32, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2017

add romania as one of the confirmed countries and as a reference use this link : http://wiwibloggs.com/2017/07/07/romania-tvr-confirms-participation-eurovision-2018/192942/ 030603im (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Done. Rhysy54 (talk) 16:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: I've updated everything but the map. As I have no idea how to update that to include Romania. Rhysy54 (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Note: Marking as answered. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2017

Hello Angels, I am a Greek citizen and I came to write to you that Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation has said that every year Greece will participate in the Eurovision contest I would like you to fix it.--94.69.201.167 (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

That isn't enough to confirm participation for 2018 unless there's a source directly confirming participation in 2018. Rhysy54 (talk) 16:10, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

ΟΚ--2.85.235.18 (talk) 06:43, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Removal from the "Semi-finalists" section

Hey! I just wanted to tell you that I decided to remove the name of Julia Samoylova from this section, as we don't know whether she'll be taking part at the Eurovision 2018 so far. What's the point of writing down "TBC" beside her name, whereas nothing hasn't been announced yet. I do hope that you'll get what I'm trying to point out there. Regards. Wikays (talk) 11:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2017

Turkey did not withdraw this year, as their last entry was in 2012. Therefore they should not be listed as having withdrawn on the 2018 page. 2001:8003:1B0E:1500:B880:B8BB:F693:32B3 (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Nothing indicates that Turkey participated in 2017 and is withdrawing this year. It only mentions that Turkey has been a participant in the past. — nihlus kryik  (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

The map is incorrect, Fix Serbia

The map is not correct. Serbian province is not included and ESC recognizes Serbia as it is not recognizing it as separate state. So please correct your errors. Thanks Ravenrain94 (talk) 15:26, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The map would need to be updated to reflect the independence of Kosovo. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 19:41, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Australia is going to Lisbon

Did you hear that? Australia will compete in the next year's Eurovision. You better believe.

Highlight Australia in purple in the ESC 2018 map. --DaysIn134 (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Update page image

Image at top of wiki page could be changed to include Eurovision's current theme* for 2018.

This image, for example:

https://eurovision.tv/apex/image/749d6b5260e60bd27b1ee8d109ac9893?w=1280

*this is apparently not planned to be the official theme next year, however it is at current. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KayeL (talk • contribs) 12:40, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Confirmation by "ESCapenews" website

It's my opinion, but I think that this site posts fake news, as none of the major websites, like Wiwibloggs and Eurovoix, have posted something about the participation of Greece, Hungary, Italy and Slovenia. Another suspicious thing is that none of the above-mentioned countries' broadcasters have said or posted something. I think we should remove these countries from the "Provisional list of participating countries" section. –Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 14:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Czechia is unconfirmed

I'd like to point out that Czechia's entry is not confirmed. Even though we have last year's participation intent declaration, the leader of the Czech delegation, Jan Bors, recently literally stated that, while likely, the participation has not yet been confirmed.

"Projekt národního výběru je připraven, nicméně zveřejněn bude až v momentě, kdy jej oficiálně schválí Česká televize. V současné době zatím není potvrzena ani účast Česka v Lisabonu."

To translate that sentence "The national selection project is ready, however it will be made public only once it's officially confirmed by Czech TV. At the current time Czech participation in Lisbon isn't even confirmed."

It may be worth changing Czechia's participation status until we get an official confirmation from CT?

Here is the source: http://escportal.cz/polske-informace-o-domacich-skladatelich-byly-smyslene/ Avenflight (talk) 18:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I see your point, but since the official list of participating countries will be revealed by Eurovision.tv in about a month (or less), there's no need of removing the country at this point. And since, they have prepared the national selection, they will probably participate. If, suddenly, they decide not to participate, we will remove the country. –Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 07:55, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Supplementary question: are we using Czech Republic or Czechia? doktorb _words^deeds 18:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

In English, the correct name is "Czech Republic". The name "Czechia" is not officialy used or recognized. But that may be different in other languages, for example in my native language, Greek, we call the country "Τσεχία" which is translated to "Czechia" and we never use "Τσεχική Δημοκρατία" which means "Czech Republic". –Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 20:12, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

As far as Czech Republic's participation is concerned, that source from eurovoix explains everything https://eurovoix.com/2017/09/05/czech-republic-eurovision-2018-selection-process-unconfirmed/ The participation is underway there are approaches but the participation is not officialy approved by CT. We should remove the country from the provisional list. Otherwise Italy should be also included by the time they are approaching changes for sanremo. -JeanisDEL ⌚→ 16:59, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Since, the participation of Czech Republic is not confirmed yet, we will remove the country. –Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 12:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

On the name issue, Czechia became the official short English name of the country as of last year (check https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Czech_Republic) however Wikipedia's decision on the name has been that, though it's official, it's not used commonly enough yet and thus shouldn't be used on Wikipedia and a moratorium was declared on the matter. As such it shouldn't be used here either, even if Czechia potentially participates under it. As to participation, as much as I want it to participate, thank you for taking my suggestion into account.Avenflight (talk) 06:26, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Russia's returning to the contest is also still underway and not officialy approved neither by russia1 nor by channel one but that's something different I can imagine. -JeanisDEL ⌚→ 20:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Channel 1 Russia and RTR, said that they will participate in 2018, earlier this year. (https://eurovoix.com/2017/03/22/russia-regardless-host-country-yulia-will-compete-eurovision-2018/) –Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 23:49, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Talk. --JeanisDEL, 14:59, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Morocco on Map

Just a thought, but shouldn't Morocco be coloured yellow on the map due to their previous participation in 1980? Please change if relevant.

KayeL (talk) 13:42, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

They haven't confirmed yet they won't participate. So no yellow yet Yoyo 360^{Wanna talk?} 15:39, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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Participation of Russia

Despite the previous confirmation of March 2017 (March 2017 Confirmation), Russia hasn't actually confirmed participation since May. There are 2 sources that refer to this subject: Source 1 Source 2. I suggest removing Russia from confirmed countries.
Please, give your opinion, writing Support or Oppose and write an argument next to that, if you want. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 15:07, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I Support the removal of Russia as we should not assume participation if there is ambiguity, and there are several other countries who have implied they will be participating yet are not listed in the Participating Countries section. furthermore, the official list of participating countries will be released in due course, so if Russia are participating then we should expect to see an announcement soon, and then we can add them back. LexPro4 (talk) 15:18, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Support —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 15:38, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Oppose: They've said they're participating, there's no need for them to say it again. Remove them if something comes up that they for some reason won't be participating, there's no reason to assume that they won't be in Lisbon. Also, the section is for provisionally confirmed countries, meaning they've expressed interest in competing, it isn't for 100% officially confirmations, as we established a few years ago. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:41, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment @Jjj1238: Actually, it is for 100% confimations. And that announcement was something like a "revenge", let's say. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 15:43, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Either way, it seems a bit original research-y to analyze the motives behind their confirmation. They said they'll be there --- that's that. If they suddenly say they won't be then they'll get removed. And as was said, an official list will be coming out shortly anyways. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, but let's wait, the majority will decide. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 15:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dimsar01: I think that was a tad bit early to decide if Russia should be removed. Based on the timestamps that was less than two hours and typically discussions or votes take a bit longer. In other areas votes that are trying to establish a consensus takes at at least seven days from what I have seen in the past. Also if @JeanisDEL: is in favor of removing Russia then allow them time to come onto this page and in this section to voice that themselves. A discussion about reaching a consensus (in this case removing Russia from participant list) needs to be open a bit longer I recommend at least 3-5 days so it gives everyone a chance to comment on the topic.

Like for example I am opposed to remove Russia from the list because the country already confirmed back in March. The fact that Julia Samoylova hasn't been confirmed yet is irreverent to their March conformation they made. There is plenty of time for them to pick an artist or confirm Julia and Russia like @Jjj1238: said this list is a provisional list. These are just the broadcasters that have expressed provisional interest publicly. So I recommend this stay open for a while longer and if someone happens to add Russia back to the list while the discussion is on-going then don't revert the change until a discussion has closed (preferably at least 5 days from today if no further activity has been made.) ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 18:35, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

@Alucard 16: Okay, let's wait a few days and if there are more people who oppose on Russia's removal, we will add the country back. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 20:39, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm here per Dimsar01's request. I'm just being open about that so that there are no accusations of canvassing. I certainly don't see it as guaranteed, but as Jjj1238 did point out, consensus has determined that the list is not intended to reflect a 100% chance of participation. What I want to know, ultimately, is what the fine details of the conversation were. Perhaps somebody could link me to the archived discussion that took place however long ago? Apologies if I'm wishy washy, but I'm far less opinionated on the adult contest due to a relative lack of experience. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 22:10, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I Support the removal of Russia simply due to the fact that there are no viable sources stating that they will participate. Yes, Russia has said that Julia will be their participant... Months ago, when it wasn't actually relevant to who was participating in 2018. They have not submitted a provisional interest recently either. Kayel (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I Oppose the removal of Russia. Provisional does not mean official, it's not a 100% sure list. They have shown interest in participating, so we'd better let them in. Yoyo 360^{Wanna talk?} 17:36, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm obviously the cause of that discussion I would like to say as I expressed my opinion privately in the Dimsar01's talk page about russian participation. I left hints if this phrase is permiting, to the previous discussion of Czech participation. Well, I Support the removal of Russia. 1) We haven't see so far an official confirmation of Russian returning to the contest neither from Channel one or Rtr nor from the EBU. Last March articles like that (https://eurovoix.com/2017/03/22/russia-regardless-host-country-yulia-will-compete-eurovision-2018/) were a expectance from the two broadcasters to return to the contest after the ban of Julia. But the official confirmation is still underway as those two sources 1 2 confirm. Moreover, we're using a source which says that julia will compete for russia in the next eurovision song contest and her name there isn't in the list but we're still using that for the russian participation. That's the main part of my opinion. I consider that Wiki is based on reliable and 100% valid sources especially if we're discussing about a provisional list of participating coutries in a contest of the upcoming year. --JeanisDEL (talk), 11 September 2017, 21:22 (UTC)

I Oppose this decision to remove Russia from the provisional list of participating countries, as both Russian broadcaster reportedly already confirmed their participation at the upcoming ESC. What would we remove this country for? Russia 1 and Channel 1 stated that Yulia Samoylova would compete for this country next year. Thus, Yulia Samoylova is still awaiting a decision from the broadcasters, in contrast to all of your statements which are meaning that these channels didn't confirm their participation yet. Let's make up the whole thing much clearer: They officially announced that they would take part, though they didn't pick out any participants so far. Wikays^{Any questions?} 13:36, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment: Eurovoix blatantly states that Russia is competing in their article confirming Slovenia. "Returning to the contest is Russia, who withdrew from the 2017 edition of the contest after their entrant Yulia Samoylova was banned from entering host city Ukraine.". { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 12:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment: Wikays please avoid good faith. There is a reliable source which says that back in march russian broadcasters confirmed participation but finally samoylova is awaiting a decision? I don't think so. The time is counting and no news have been released so far about the russian returning to the contest. So in my opinion the better we can do in wiki, is waiting. --JeanisDEL (talk), 27 September 2017, 15:11 (UTC)

@JeanisDEL: No, @Wikays: is entirely correct. Russia confirmed their participation in March, and reliable sources such as Eurovoix have continuously reported on it (Like here: "Returning to the contest is Russia, who withdrew from the 2017 edition of the contest after their entrant Yulia Samoylova was banned from entering host city Ukraine.") Articles referencing Russian participation in ESC 2018 (Here and here) have once again confirmed their participation, but simply say that Samoylova herself is still unconfirmed. This honestly should be an end to the discussion, reliable sources have been continuously confirming their participation. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:01, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@Jjj1238: Sorry but the sources you gave me are not working at the moment. --JeanisDEL (talk), 2 October 2017, 2:24 (UTC) INFORM EDIT: In this way actually the esctoday says that Russia is yet to confirm participation 1. Which is objectively the most reliable eurovision site. In fact, we all know that the most likely russia is going to return to the contest but the thing which I'm trying weeks to explain is that the official confirmation hasn't been made neither from EBU nor from the broadcasters! --JeanisDEL (talk), 2 October 2017, 9:34 (UTC)

Comment: I would just like to say that to me it's pretty much common sense that Russia did NOT confirm participation yet. The sources from March are pretty much useless because since then a lot of things obviously have changed, not only the status of their participant (Samoylova). A source like wiwibloggs is pretty much unreliable since it's a blog but if you take it as a source, please read carefully what they write: That Russia 1 is in charge next year. This statement does NOT confirm that they would participate in the end, it's only an information about what we all know: Two Russian broadcasters participate alternately in Eurovision and next year it's time for Russia 1 again. As much as we all would love to see Russia coming back - so far there is no reliable source (like esctoday or eurovoix) confirming that Russia really would return. It's still possible that they could be absent another year (compare with Poland in 2012 & 2013 - they originally only wanted to sit out in 2012) and as long as there is no trustworthy statement coming up in these months, we should NOT share false/unreliable knowledge on the Wikipedia page about this. --So Hood (talk), 4 October 2017, 9:20 (UTC)

@So Hood: I actually linked articles by Eurovoix that confirmed Russian participation (Here, "Returning to the contest is Russia, who withdrew from the 2017 edition of the contest after their entrant Yulia Samoylova was banned from entering host city Ukraine."). { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:45, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Comment too I just agree with @So Hood:. Well, the source we used to "re add" Russia (1) is exactly the same with an english source in eurovoix. But it was released back in march too. And is that Russia: Jon Ola Sand Sure That Russia Will Compete in Eurovision 2018 . I refer my opinion again. Russia is almost returning to the contest and we all know that BUT there isn't a source like that 2 which certificates 100% the returning to the contest. We haven't see that and I think we should use valid sources. --JeanisDEL (talk), 6 October 2017, 10:13 (UTC)

Comment: I was true that Russia is yet officialy to confirm participation 1, 2. But unfortunately everyone was againtst to me. --JeanisDEL (talk), 22 October 2017, 2:19 (UTC)

Macadonia confirms

According to this article Macadonia is participating at the Eurovision Song Contest 2018. Sadiemydog1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:46, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Belgian commentator confirmed.

The VRT confirmed that Peter Van De Veire will deliver commentary for the Dutch speaking channel Eén.

What's the source, please? IntellingentMen (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Finnish representation.

According to YLE (Finnish national broadcaster), Saara Aalto represents Finland in Eurovision song contest 2018, and the song will be chosen by a renewed competition. Merimiesei (talk) 11:31, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

logo

What about a higher resolution image of the logo? https://eurovision.tv/apex/image/3b22be7636a403209684929df1ad6e71?w=1280 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.250.163.195 (talk) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Non-free content should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger. Higher resolution versions can be found outside Wikipedia. -- AxG / ✉  19:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2017

Someone wrote that Poland will sing in English without any source. Can someone add one or remove the information please? Genuflexion (talk) 09:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Done Added citation needed template. Terra ^(talk) 10:21, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Kazakhstan debut in 2019

According to this URL, Channel 31 have reached an agreement on a debut on both Junior as Adult contests in 2019. ~~Sadiemydog1~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadiemydog1 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Dates

Now I am slow, but how come we've gone from:
TBD {{dts|13 February 2016}}
to:
style="background:#DDF" align=left data-sort-value=2018-02-28|TBD February 2018
Why exactly has the code grown to such a length and colour? What is/was wrong with {{dts}}? -- AxG / ✉  14:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the coding changes I looked at some older revisions of the page and it used
{{TBA|TBD 13 February 2016}}
instead of
style="background:#DDF" align=left data-sort-value=2018-02-28|TBD February 2018
which does the same thing in the table. I think we should move it back to the simplified version in my opinion. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:42, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm the one who made the code longer, to allow date sorting and also keep the blue background. I wasn't aware of the {{dts}} template, but now I see that it can be combined with the {{TBA}} template to achieve both goals with a simpler code:

{{TBA|TBD {{dts|29 January 2018}}|align=left}}

Is that better? Anyway, this code is temporary as it will be replaced by the actual entries when they are determined. Heitordp (talk) 06:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

That’s fine, since some users wish for the background colours to be kept. -- AxG / ✉  12:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Romania

Wiwibloggs and Eurovoix report that the national semi-finals will take place in January and February, but don't mention the final. However, both ESC-plus and the original press release by TVR (in Romanian) say that the semi-finals and the final will take place throughout January and February 2018. Also, ESC Today uses a more general term — "live shows". Therefore, I think it's safe to add "TBD February 2018" next to Romania in the table, but I'm not sure which sources to use. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  22:22, 30 Oct 2017 (UTC) 

I ended up using ESC Today + TVR. Original sources and those who alter the original the least are the most trustworthy after all. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  21:44, 8 Nov 2017 (UTC) 

The rules of Selecția Națională now mention an exact date, and it's in February. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  04:46, 16 Nov 2017 (UTC) 

I'm adding a dummy comment because my signature is confusing the thread archiving algorithm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreyyshore (talk • contribs) 08:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Citation needed for Israeli dates

I can't find the dates online for the Israeli entry selection, perhaps a person proficient in Hebrew might have better luck? -ThatJosh (talk) 17:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Is Eleni Foureira *actually* confirmed?

All the sources given refer to speculative content and they keep being re-added. Can we please get a definitive source for this? -ThatJosh (talk) 11:06, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Nope, she is not confirmed. Some Eurovision sites are reporting it, but the EBU, Cypriot broadcaster, Foureira herself, and major ESC sites such as ESCToday and Eurovoix have either said nothing or that it is simply speculative. Apparently there will be an official confirmation soon (I think I read Monday?), but until then it is all speculative. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 16:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Romanisation of "Yuliya Samoylova"

There have been several edits on this article regarding the romanisation of "Yuliya Samoylova". The article currently uses that spelling, as does her Wikipedia article, but eurovision.tv spells her name "Yulia Samoylova". Should we go with how her name is spelt by the official website or her Wikipedia article? LexPro4 (talk) 14:26, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

I would 100% prefer "Yulia Samoylova" especially considering that eurovision.tv reports it that way. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

British commentator

Whilst I personally believe it will be Graham Norton, the source provided ([1]) does not even mention the word "Graham" nor the word "Norton". Norton's Twitter feed does have this congratulatory message to SuRie which includes "See you in Lisbon!", but this doesn't really mean anything. Thoughts? Is Norton's Twitter reliable? Spa-Franks (talk) 16:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Turkey have a new director

According to this article. The Turkish television station TRT have a new general director. Which could make a return for Turkey at the Eurovision Song Contest. Sadiemydog1 (talk) 22:50, 12 July 2017 (UTC+1)

Not sure it's relevant or why it's been posted on wikipedia. Is wikipedia now a Eurovision chat room? Regardless, TRT will not return while the Big 5 rule is in place.222.165.216.242 (talk) 11:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Greece

The Greek entry is titled 'Oneiro Mou' and is performed by Gianna Terzi. 222.165.216.242 (talk) 11:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

It has not been confirmed by any major Eurovision news outlet. If I am wrong, please cite your source. The last official news from ERT was that there will be a national final, although that could change. LexPro4 (talk) 11:18, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Suit yourself. Who cares if the article is wrong? Perhaps if we mere mortals were allowed to edit it and not have to beg wiki elites to do it for us, I would provide a source. But frankly, I don't give a damn. 222.165.216.242 (talk) 11:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but that’s on you. Wikipedia can’t have false information for obvious reasons and sources are required as Wikipedia is not a primary source of information. That’s how the website works. LexPro4 (talk) 11:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't give a damn. Who cares if the page is right or wrong? Clearly not you! Have fun with your sad protection of your inaccurate site. I'm off to carry on with a real life! Cheers!222.165.216.242 (talk) 11:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I wish you the best with your real life. Thank you for discussing this issue with me and have a nice day :) LexPro4 (talk) 11:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations to me for accurately attempting to update wikipedia with the information about the Greek entry. It's nice to see that editors like me try to provide accurate, timely edits to the pages of wikipedia, but are bullied and patronized by those who have set themselves up as guardians for false and inaccurate data by locking pages, limiting them to elites who haven't got a clue about accuracy.222.165.216.242 (talk) 01:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Good evening. My apologies for our disagreement earlier; you were right – Gianna Terzi is indeed the Greek representative and that information has now been sourced and cited in the article. I was simply following the rules of Wikipedia which are clearly stated in the yellow box at the top of this talk page: the site must have verifiability, which means information must be cited from a source other than Wikipedia. I do not hold administrative powers on Wikipedia, I am just an editor like you and I have no authority to lock and unlock pages. This page was locked after there were many attempts to vandalise it, and this has prevented further vandalism. I am aware your edit was done in good faith and not vandalism: thank you for seeking to improve and expand the information on Wikipedia. :) LexPro4 (talk) 01:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2018

The Dutch song will actually be announced on friday the 2nd of March. XNathanael (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Language of the Azerbaijani entry

Needs to be verified. The cited source is classified as semi-reliable, and in the latest article it contradicted the cited one, reporting that “will not be any Azeri lyrics in the song”. Polyna V. (talk) 22:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Name of the Armenian entrant

I am totally aware that eurovision.tv and the youtube channel of Depi Evratesil, and thus all eurovision websites use the name Khanagyan but it is actually not accurate at all. There are two problems, though one is waaayyyy more important than the other, so I'll begin with the minor one. The letter Խ is not really "kh"... a better transcription would be x, because the sound it makes is [x]. But as it is usual to see Խ as kh it's not that bad. However... ղ is not a g. At all. It's a ghat, which usually makes the french r sound. So, considering keeping the "kh", a better transcription would be Khanaghyan. At least. Thanks for reading Yoyo 360^{Wanna talk?} 20:40, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Khanaghyan would indeed be the most accurate transcription according to the system employed by Wikipedia. However, Wikipedia prioritizes the most common variants found in English-language material, particularly in reliable sources, over the BCN/PCGN-like transcription system. Sources currently prefer the variant Khanagyan, obtained via Russian (Ханагян), a language that does not have a letter for the sound made by ղ. If the Armenian broadcaster/delegation ever decides to change the spelling, so that Khanaghyan becomes the most visible and common variant due to exposure on the actual TV show in Lisbon, you can rest assured that Wikipedia will follow suit. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  09:59, 2 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

Romania

The Romanian entry is grinding my gears due to the back and forth of the name, even Eurovision.tv don't know what to call them and the song, with The Humans - "Don't Say Goodbye" but then Human Touch - "Goodbye". It seems to be an easy way of violating WP:3RR. -- AxG / ✉  23:11, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd leave it the way it was presented in the national final until things clear up. This is not the first Eurovision.tv slip up in regard to Romania this year — to this day, they are showing the wrong top 3 for the national final. There is clearly some problem in communication, either between the two bodies or within TVR. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  09:04, 2 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

It seems that all Romanian parties involved in the promotion of the song reached an agreement to change the title to "Don't Say Goodbye" in order to give out a more positive vibe, so TVR sent the preview video with the new title to the EBU, which soon appeared on the contest's YouTube channel. However, Roton Music had a change of heart a few minutes later, so the agreement was canceled and, even though TVR notified the EBU of the new change, the latter don't seem to have gotten the memo, or at least the people involved with Eurovision.tv and the YouTube channel didn't. But "Human Touch"? I have absolutely no idea how that came to be. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  11:45, 2 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

The article about the national final, the artist profile, the semi 2 participant list and the YouTube video now all say "The Humans - Goodbye", and the top 3 for the national final has also been corrected. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  14:53, 2 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

Language of Fuego

I think that only one word in Spanish isn't enough to consider the song bilingual. Maybe an endnote could be added saying that a word in Spanish is repeatedAdamantiosK (talk) 13:30, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Gender of Conchita Wurst

"It will be the first time since 2013 no men have hosted the contest" - well, that opens up the Conchita debate again (re 2015), and surely there's a better way of wording this, or just removing it altogether? Spa-Franks (talk)

Remove, this is trivial and unnecessary information. 2013 was only five years ago so it's barely of note. And for the record, I believe Conchita identifies as female but Neuwirth identifies as male, so as he hosted the show as Conchita, there were no male hosts in 2015 either. A three year separation is even less noteworthy. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 07:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Conchita Wurst was not an official host but the green room host, either way. Sar2de (talk) 14:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Conchita Wurst is a drag persona, rather than being transgender/trans, so not female in gender nor sex. -ThatJosh (talk) 13:49, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Language of Russian entry

According to Euroinvision.ru (Russian fan site) Yuliya will sing her entry in English as in last year.

https://euroinvision.ru/news/intervju_julija_samojlova_vystupit_na_evrovidenii_s_anglijskoj_pesnej/2018-02-09-284

Her Instagram will further corroborate the fact:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfvE0YFhQIR/?hl=ru&taken-by=jsvok — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.53.112.28 (talk) 07:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2018

I want to make sure their aren't any redirects. 96.227.141.184 (talk) 22:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with redirects, so long as they point to the intended page. -- AxG / ✉  22:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Title of Iriao's song and language

The title of Georgian entry for Eurovision Song Contest is "For You" and the band will be sing in Georgian. (https://1tv.ge/en/news/video-clip-entry-song-group-iriao-shot-saguramo/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.253.199.237 (talk) 01:13, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

The Georgian version of that article still describes it as "შენი გულისთვის". We'll find out the official title soon anyway, since the head of delegation meeting is today. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  10:53, 12 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

It seems that the title is, indeed, "For You". —  Andreyyshore  T  C  15:00, 13 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

Language of Israel's entry

Toy includes the phrase אני לא בובה , and should therefore be considered to be partially in Hebrew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stampman11 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Language of the Danish entry

The official lyrics for the Danish entry show that it includes the line "taka stökk til hærri jörð". Still not sure whether that's Icelandic or Old Norse (I think it's the latter), but it would be worth mentioning as a note (akin to the comments on the Israeli or Serbian entires). Tzakzo (talk) 20:11, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this line. It's written the same way in Icelandic and Old Norse, but from the pronunciation I believe it is Icelandic ("hærri" is pronounced [hajr:ɪ] in Icelandic but [hɛ:r:i] in Old Norse; in the song it sounds like the former). I added a note to the article. Heitordp (talk) 05:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

This is indeed Icelandic, and broken Icelandic at that, apparently taken from Google Translate. Fönn Dögg (talk) 08:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Translations

Please will one of the wiki elites who has access to the page add English translations of the songs titled in other languages to the article, as has been the norm in all previous wikipedia articles relating to the contest. Thank you. I'd do it myself, but I'm not trustworthy enough to be allowed to edit the precious page. 5.148.42.186 (talk) 15:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately not, see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision/Archive 17. -- AxG / ✉  18:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

The wiki elite has spoken. Who cares if it diminishes the article? Just as long as they get to patronize and belittle. Unfortunately.5.148.42.186 (talk) 12:51, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

It can't be too bad to use "Nova deca" ("Нова деца"; New children), as a worst case example.

Making such an important decision during the off-season was not a good idea, IMO. Some of us shift our attention elsewhere in that period. Relegating the translations to just the individual song articles makes changes hard to track and discourages discussion on the chosen translations. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  15:57, 13 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

I originally disliked the removal of the translations column too, but after reading through the discussion, I can totally see why it was taken away. The majority of the songs have an English title and even so, Wikipedia isn't a translation service. I think having the translation on the individual page, the current 'policy', is a good compromise tbh. -ThatJosh (talk) 20:03, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't need to be a separate column; as I showed above, the information can be shown in a compact fashion and, besides, as you said, it would only be used for a few entries from now on. The system we are using for the national finals works great.

As for the necessity of providing a translation at all, for accessibility, I believe that, since the songs are the centerpiece of the contest and since they are unique and different every year (unlike other aspects of the contest, such as artists, songwriters, languages used, staff), it's totally warranted to specify a translation of the title, as opposed to shows like The Voice or even Eurovision Choir of the Year, where any music used is already known and the performances are the thing that is actually showcased.

Yes, I did just argue that specifying translations is at least as important as, if not more than, specifying languages. Sometimes you forget the actual title, but remember the meaning and it's so hard to find entries when you don't have the translations at a glance.

Unfortunately, the discussion that decided the current layout was derailed by people who wanted the songwriters listed instead and ended in a mess. Not even older contests' articles have the translations anymore. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  15:48, 18 Mar 2018 (UTC) 

Andreyyshore that discussion stemmed from one strong view for translation's unnecessity anyway, which also met with opposes to begin with, alongside the editor's valid view about songwriters (with mixed opinions), everything actually shifted quickly to talks about other ways to keep trans alongside also presenting the songwriters. I also already opened a separate songwriters-thread to completely untangle the two (and translations-ideas kept under the original thread) - when a guild-copy editor commented his view of "not translation service", and then others got convinced and removed; naturally, for consistency, inclusive of old contests. I still said back then there are divided views and alternative-ways discussion, but others didn't reply further and I personally just went along as it appeared therefore most were convinced; as ThatJosh now says he eventually supported removing. That said, I therefore agree with your kind of suggestion, we even had very similar presentation ideas. And while its good Wikipedia is open for any volunteer to discuss all year round, I understand the "on-season" situation and be happy to see your suggestions at the project page (as it relates to all articles) and discuss this time as a complete 1-subject thread for hopefully more thorough participation and views per the upcoming event.

ThatJosh, I feel that if anything, "not translation service" should either apply to everything, not only articles with foreign-titles lists. In any case, that discussion never clarified a specific compromise to keep trans for song's individual articles. And, as Andreyyshore said, the country's preselection articles show translations, so either way there is still a consistency problem here. אומנות (talk) 13:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2018

The Belgian spokesperson for Eurovision 2018 has been revealed: https://eurovisionbelgium.be/2018/04/danira-boukhriss-terkessidis-leest-belgische-punten-voor/ 2A02:1810:4D0F:8700:51DA:6BBE:ACF3:889B (talk) 21:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I added the spokesperson for Belgium. I'm not to sure if eurovisionbelgium.be is a reliable source or not so I also posted a link from the broadcaster. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 08:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Did anybody add a radio commentator or commentators for Finland Encyclopediafanatic (talk) 18:34, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Director of eurovision song contest 2018

Who directs this year's eurovision song contest Encyclopediafanatic (talk) 13:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2018

I need to correct a few links. 97.68.128.162 (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC) 97.68.128.162 (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

San Marino commentatori

Lia Fiorio e Gigi Restivo saranno di nuovo i commentatori quest'anno. https://www.eurofestivalnews.com/2018/04/28/eurovision-2018-san-marino-commento-a-lia-fiorio-gigi-restivo-per-i-voti-john-kennedy-oconnor/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.16.102.242 (talk) 19:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Moldovan representative capitalization

Eurovision.tv has recently changed the name of the Moldovan band to "DoReDoS", with a capital final S, which makes sense to me, since they were displayed as "DoReDoS" at O melodie pentru Europa 2017 and 2018, and also on their Facebook page. Are there any objections against Wikipedia making this change as well where applicable? —  Andreyyshore  T  C  12:42, 2 May 2018 (UTC) 

I made the changes everywhere, except in references. —  Andreyyshore  T  C  13:15, 5 May 2018 (UTC) 

US Radio commentators announced by esc.tv

Ewan Spence, Lisa-Jayne Lewis, Ana Filipa Rosa https://eurovision.tv/story/wjdf-broadcasting-eurovision-2018-radio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.241.210 (talk) 21:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:51, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Iraio's name?

Every official Eurovision source refers to Iraio as 'Ethno-Jazz Band Iraio'. I was wondering whether we should adopt this name on the page. What is the general consensus here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OscarTipper (talk • contribs) 10:54, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Returning artists & Julia Samoylova

Should Julia Samoylova be mentioned as a returning artist, since she was selected to represent Russia last year, even if banned from actually competing? The song did get included on the Eurovision CD. --Melarish (talk) 21:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Pot1... pot6

What does mean "pot" ? Have you a synonyme for this word ?

Thanks.

--AXRL (talk) 10:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Maybe "bowl"? You can see the pots in the top picture on this page: Results of the Semi-Final Allocation Draw ⛐Boivie (talk) 12:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Mic-snatch

He shouted an anti-nazi peace slogan.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/news/eurovision-stage-invader-who-snatched-microphone-during-uks-performance-was-nolan-live-protester-36900918.html

92.0.218.30 (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, a serial stage-invader called Dr ACactivism, from London e.g. The Guardian or possibly "Dr Activism" as per Daily Telegraph