Talk:Evelyn Gandy

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Reviewer: Edwininlondon (talk · contribs) 17:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will happily reviews this. The more women's bios as GA and FA, the better. Thank you for bringing this to GAN. This looks in very good shape at first glance. More soon. Edwininlondon (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prose[edit]

Definitely meets the requirements. Just a few minor comments, none stopping me from passing:

  • As the only woman in her 1943 law school class, she won a state oratorical contest --> this may just be me, but this construction gives an air of causality, which I assume is misplaced
    • Removed "as".
  • saying "we are now --> saying "We are now" as per MOS:INOROUT
    • Done.
  • which allow public funds deposited in private banks to earn interest, allowing --> repetition of allow
    • Replaced with "enabled".
  • she also opposed an unsuccessful attempt to amend --> this is a bit hard to follow with so many negatives .. is it something along the lines of "she helped block an attempt to amend"?
    • "Helped block" I think overstates her role, but I've trimmed this to "she also opposed an attempt to amend", since mere "attempt" implies it failed.
  • emery boards --> link?
    • Thought there wasn't one, but nail file works.
  • 30.49 percent of the vote,[38] while Winter received 25 percent --> I find the 2 decimals a bit overkill, especially given the no decimals for 25
    • Was working with what was given; replaced with "about 30 percent".
  • Gandy's reputation was harmed by her association with Finch and the fact that she was a woman. --> not sure if we can say that her reputation was harmed by the fact she was a woman
    • What exactly do you mean? Should I use a more generic word than "reputation" e.g. "standing"? Sources agree, Gandy's overall prospects were absolutely damaged by the fact that she was not a man.
      • Sorry, I wasn't clear. What I mean is that I find it odd that gender can harm a reputation. As you say it harmed her prospects, that seems a better choice of word.
  • Due to the latter factor, --> Not so elegant. Perhaps something along the lines of "To contrast her .."
    • For the sake of not repeating "contrast" again in the same few sentences, I've changed this to "To capitalize on the latter factor"
  • run-off and runoff: both spellings appear in the article; pick one
    • Done.
  • "one issue candidate." --> "one issue candidate". as per MOS:INOROUT
    • Done.
  • Apparently, lieutenant governor is the ceiling --> Apparently, Lieutenant Governor is the ceiling
    • Per MOS:JOBTITLES, I'm not sure about that one.
      • Thanks for the reference to MOS:JOBTITLES, I had not seen that. Useful. There 14 uses of Lieutenant Governor and only this one has lowercase. My interpretation of MOS:JOBTITLES is that many more should have lowercase. The one in the first sentence of the lead for instance should be lowercase I think.


Sourcing[edit]

Quality and formatting are fine. Just a few comments:

  • Infox has "26th Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi" --> the number 26 is not mentioned in the body, so needs a source. Also check the other fatcs in the infobox
    • I've removed all the (unsourced) ordinals from the infobox. The Lt. Gov situation is complicated because at one point Mississippi abolished the office before bringing it back, and it seems whoever did the ordinals across the Lt. Gov articles neglected to include the earlier generation. All Lt. Govs up to Gandy's successor are listed here (p. 30) but even if it's technically allowed under WP:CALC, I'd rather not assign numbers where sources didn't think it important to.
  • Abbie Whigham Gandy[1] --> could this reference just be moved to the end of the sentence? Same for [9] and [14]
    • I'd be hesitant to, since those citation support exactly what precedes them. I generally avoid combining refs unless splicing a sentence with the individual cites would get unnecessarily complicated by doing so.
  • Spotcheck: 3 7 12 17 21 all fine

Media[edit]

All fine. You may want to add alt text.

Overall, it looks very good. Just the infobox unsourced info to fix, really, the rest is nice to have. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Edwininlondon: I've responded to your comments. -Indy beetle (talk) 22:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • All good. Great work. Just a few extra bits for you to consider ("reputation" and MOS:JOBTITLES, see above). Promoting anyway. Edwininlondon (talk) 05:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok, done what I can to address these, thank you for the review! -Indy beetle (talk) 07:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings[edit]

Indy beetle, per the conversation at FAC I'll post clippings here as I create them. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1949:

  • She gave speeches arguing for redistricting -- Forrest County had 8,000 electors but a northern MS county might have only 2,500. Since these are just speeches, e.g. to the Kiwanis, I haven't clipped them.
  • Speech outlining legislative issues. The article mentions a couple of firsts of hers that might be worth including.
    • Bit on her editing of the law journal added.
  • Member of AAUW
  • Member of Hattiesburg Chamber of Commerce -- she was a member of too many things to mention, I would think, but I'll leave the clippings here for you to select.
    • I agree, politicians from days of old tended to be party to numerous civic organizations. I'll focus on ones of any special importance or ones where she had leadership roles.
  • She had a sister
    • Sister is mentioned later in the article. Funny that she was married, since the sources suggest Gandy took her sister with her places in lieu of having a husband of her own.
  • Representing the state in her attorney capacity while a house rep
  • Speech on women's status. Mention of the poll tax reminded me of this article, but she's not calling for repeal so there may be no connection to draw.
    • That's a cool quote from her. Not sure how to incorporate it but good to keep in mind. -Indy beetle (talk) 11:52, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's everything from 1949 that seems worth it, unless you want the details of her maid-of-honor gown at her sister's wedding! I'll start on 1950 tonight or tomorrow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1950:

That's everything non-trivial from 1950. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One more: Out of state coverage of the adoption bill, passing bill. I thought that might be interesting as not much of the news gets past the state borders. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings pre 1947[edit]

So far, including the FAC, I've posted clippings for 1939 and 1947-1951. There probably won't be much pre-1947 but I'll post whatever I find in this section. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nothing pre-1939 except mentions of high-school events and clubs.

1940:

She competes in debates for the college but I'm not going to clip the individual stories unless she's singled out in some way. I'm also skipping "honor roll" and similar announcements. She was one of only four making all As one quarter, at "State Teachers college"; per our article it appears the name change to "Mississippi Southern" was while she was there, so this article should probably either add a footnote or mention that it was "State Teachers College" when she first attended.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1941:

  • I was wrong above; this is the one she won.
  • This isn't interesting in itself, but it appears she was living in Parchman, upstate, at this time.

1942:

1943:

  • Just a reference to Sgt. K.C Gandy of Parchman, Miss T.J. Gandy of Petal, and Miss Evelyn Gandy of Washington D.C. visiting a Hattiesburg family.

1944:

  • She was in hospital in July 1944 for an "operation" and it's noted she was a member of Bilbo's "secretarial staff"; let me know if you want the two supporting clippings but there's not much more than that.

Nothing in 1945. In 1946 she's on the "Committee on Unauthorized Practice of Law" for the Junior Section of the State Bar Association. That's it for pre-1947; I'll look at the 1950s next. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:46, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Clippings 1952-58[edit]

All the 1952 clippings concern her activities in the B&PW.

1953:

There are a dozen or more stories mentioning her in her capacity as state president of the B&PW.

1954:

1955:

1956:

1957:

1958:

  • Notices of her speaking in numerous forums -- AAUW, B&PW, several others
  • A notice in April that she's "of Jackson, formerly of Hattiesburg"
  • and another reference to her as "Miss Evelyn Gandy, Hattiesburg and Jackson". This includes rumours about her political plans.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1959[edit]

For years before 1959, there are 20-40 mentions of her in the papers, so I haven't had much trouble skimming them all. For 1959 there are 495 matches to a search for her name in a Mississippi paper. I'm going to start with the top hits and clip things like her candidate announcement, the election win, and significant biographical coverage, but after that I will cut off the search once things start to get repetitive. That's probably going to be true for subsequent years as she's a state-wide figure from this point on, so if there are particular things you'd like me to search for, let me know, otherwise I'll use my judgement. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For these, I'll put the date before the link so I can sort them as I think that would be helpful.

That's all I think is likely to be worth it for 1959. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1960-62[edit]

Lots of speeches given at various groups, on charity committees, etc., from this point on; I'll exclude all these.

1961:

1962:

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1963[edit]

There are tons of her ads; I'll just clip a couple but can clip others if you're interested.

--Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1964-66[edit]

A couple of statements in her role as Welfare Commissioner, but I'm not going to clip anything that looks like the sort of thing any Welfare Commissioner would say to the press or do -- e.g. "welfare payments are up this year". That only leaves one marginally worthwhile clipping:

1965:

There are a couple of news stories about two black employees of hers who were denied permission to attend a conference, but the story has Gandy saying almost nothing about it and I can't find any followup so I don't think it's usable.

1966:

  • More speculation. I think it's unlikely you can use much of the speculation clippings, but there might be reason to mention it at some points -- e.g. if it's clear the speculation is widespread, something like "as had been expected by political observers" might be warranted. I'm going to stop including these clippings unless they seem to have notable information.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1967[edit]

I found no campaign ads, presumably because she was unopposed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1968-70[edit]

There's an article about Gandy in the July 1968 issue of Southern Living. Might be worth requesting at WP:RX; it might have more background or quotes. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1969:

1970:

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1971-74[edit]

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1972: I found a reference to her being interviewed by the U of Southern Mississippi Oral History project, and that led me to this page, which has a picture of her being interviewed. I had a poke around and it doesn't appear to have been digitized, but it might be worth emailing and asking.

1973:

1974:

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1975[edit]

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:55, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1976-79[edit]

There's an article about Gandy in the Spring 1976 issue of New South Magazine; I can't find a copy online but it might be worth asking at WP:RX.

Nothing in 1977 worth clipping. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1978:

1979:

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:42, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1980-82[edit]

1981:

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing worth clipping from 1982; it's all just speculation about which race she would enter, and speeches. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:27, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1983-87[edit]

There's some coverage of her plan to get tougher in the runoff, but I think the article already covers that well enough that the clippings would add nothing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1984:

1985:

1986:

1987:

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clippings 1988-2007[edit]

1988:

1990: Profile, part 2

1994: New job with CET

    • Added.

2000: Portrait; the artist appears not to be notable so this may not be worth mentioning

2001: Profile, with some anecdotes.

    • Added.

Gandy was apparently the second woman to run for Governor of Mississippi; Mary Cain was the first.

That's everything I could find; I hope some of this is useful. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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