Talk:Fade into You

Correct info on the 2 video versions?

I never saw the so called second version until I looked it up on YouTube just now. The only one I saw was the one described as version 1, which MTV credited to Kevin Kerslake, and also more closely resembles his directorial style. --Azul120 (talk) 23:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

lyrics/meaning missing

please add, thanks. 63.155.63.210 (talk) 08:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

This song is not a blues by any definition

An Allmusic article is cited as justification for classifying this song under "blues" as one of its genres. This is mistaken. Blues songs are restricted in their form by certain music-theoretical conventions. "Fade Into You" is a I-V-ii three-chord loop, which does not permit classification as a blues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.194.211 (talk) 14:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

AllMusic is generally recognized as a reliable source for music genres. You are an IP editor and not a reliable source, so AllMusic outranks you. Do you have a reliable source that explains why "Fade into You" is not blues? Because otherwise, no matter how wrong AllMusic is, we'll need to restore it because it's considered more reliable than you are. Elizium23 (talk) 14:32, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It might be that the old citation was out of date -- the current Allmusic entry for the song mentions Dream Pop, Indie Rock/Alternative, and related genres, but not Blues. https://www.allmusic.com/song/fade-into-you-mt0011753790

In any case, "Fade Into You" consists of four repeating bars in 6/8 time of the progression I (A) - V (E) - ii (Bm) - ii (Bm). According to wikipedia's own page on the blues, this does not resemble any blues form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues. It has the same structure as half of the lines in "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," which again is not a blues. I understand the difficulty with arguing against a reputable source, but if a reputable source listed "Billie Jean" as Black Metal, should we take that at face value and list it on the page?

I apologize for being an IP editor, and I didn't realize that I wasn't logged in at the time. I have requested a password reset and hopefully that will come through shortly. 82.23.194.211 (talk) 22:52, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

One thing, all sources are reliable for their own contents, so opinions are always reliable; the question is is Allmusic and/or the writer of the piece notable enough for us to care what they say, and also if they have standing (if the notable International Journal of Advanced Computer Technology says that the song is blues, who cares what they think cos they don't know music). I guess Allmusic is notable enough for us to use, right?

We shouldn't lie to the reader, nor follow any rule which tells us to. I listened to he song and it is not blues, so either it's a typo or the person who said that is an idiot. So we shouldn't say it's blues. We can't say it's not blues either (unless we have a source for that). We just say nothing. I don't think the "genre" field is necessarily to be taken as completely comprehensive. Herostratus (talk) 07:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

It's back up apparently. What to do now? Iotashift (talk) 22:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Just an causal Observation

This article misses the 'genre' defining beast of a song this is. I'm not so brave as to give a name to that genre, but this song is ubiquitous on 'indie alt rock' stations, the type that plays the like of Ani Difranco and Supreme cover's of Hey Jude. 2601:19B:4580:AE0:0:0:0:1 (talk) 23:35, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Song featured on the USA Network TV show Suits

Suits is currently on Netflix, all eight seasons. This song played at the very end of the 2nd to last episode of Season 4, although the song was played by some other artist - not Mazzy Star. The song was being played just after Harvey Spector told Donna "I love you" and then the song went on in the background to say "I think it's strange you never knew..." Mark The Droner (talk) 01:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I think the template formatting and language of the article should reflect the initial release of the Song and it as a "Song". I do not think it is correct to provide inaccurate release information based off later Single Release dates.

The Infobox alludes to the Single release, but the rest of the article, the majority of the content regarding the Song, doesn't. Even the Template page doesn't give a clear guideline between distinguishing a "song" and "release", although what it does say supports my claim. "If an album track was later released as a single, use the most notable or best known. For example, "Stairway to Heaven" was released as a promo single in several markets and as a digital single in 2007, but became best known as a song from Led Zeppelin's fourth album." The single release is not the most well known version, the album version is. If you search "mazzy star fade into you" you will find more reference to the album than the singles. The Youtube version uses the album art, the Youtube video says the song is from the album, the Spotify version uses the album art. Google itself summarizes the song as a song, released in 1993, on So Tonight That I Might See. Perhaps there should be two articles in this case, one specifically referencing the single release; it is a separate release, not the only or primary release. Expanding the information under "Release history" would also achieve this. It's factually incorrect to say that the song was released in April 1994, even if the first "official single release" was. This conveys incorrect information about the song. I think the goal of Wikipedia is to provide accurate information. Saw141 (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2024 (UTC)