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Merger? Not yet. Please?!--Tomtom9041 00:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a merger is a good idea. they were two completely different organizations serving completely different governments. Robbie69 14:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi motto[edit]

Do they really use the Nazi motto (suum quique, jedem das seine) as their motto? --85.156.225.122 (talk) 08:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It says it's a quote from Cicero. is that too hard to understand? Robbie69 (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

cicero was a nazi ? ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.89.205 (talk) 15:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the traditional definition of "justice", derived from the classics. Cicero apparently is one source for the Latin form; the concept goes at least back to Aristotle.--131.159.76.237 (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jurisdiction[edit]

I think, the jurisdiction paragraph should include a hint about the non-existens of military jurisdiction in germany. All lawsuits are handled by civil courts and the soldiers are arrested in civil prisons. (87.173.14.103 (talk) 19:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

That is actually wrong. Germany has two military courts (Truppendienstgerichte) that are the first instance concerning any cases that was given juridiction to them from the military disciplinary act. 149.154.154.231 (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The legal base for the two military courts can be found in the following act (German): http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/errv/BJNR126200006.html 149.154.154.231 (talk) 22:25, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Translation[edit]

I think we can leave the translation of Feldjäger as field huntsmen. all the other translations are pretty irrelevant as you can't translate it literally and get what it really means. also the translation is not the most important thing - that's why I put it a little later in the article. Robbie69 (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Security Operations[edit]

I have been a Feldjäger and i think you should put HNS into the Security Operations Host Nation Support (HNS). After Sept. 11th 2001 we did HNS for the US bases in our area. There where six bases where we went to every day and every night. We left one of our people at the MP-Station there that he can go on patrol with an US-MP-officer and two of us went with the own car on patrol. To check the bases, the housing areas and the places where the US-soldiers live with their families in the villages around the bases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghost(CNR) (talk • contribs) 08:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion: Military Courts of Justice[edit]

I deleted "support the military courts of justice" since there are no military courts in Germany. All crimes comitted by members of the armed forces are subject of the civilian jurisdiction. --87.178.51.81 (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We have two military courts in Germany: Truppendienstgericht Nord seated in Münster and Truppendienstgericht Süd seated in München. Both even have a page on the German Wikipedia: North: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truppendienstgericht_Nord and South: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truppendienstgericht_S%C3%BCd 149.154.154.231 (talk) 22:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is in a technical sense true to say that there are no military courts of justice in Germany. However, in this article there is no place to explain that. The two disciplinary courts are practically seen as such and, I guess, do have much to do with the Feldjäger, so that should suffice.

For those interested: We tend to see a court as a body that deals with a) conflicts over what the law says b) breaking of law. In this sense, there is no military court of Germany. Conflicts over what military law (e. g., whether not promoting a soldier amounts to treating him with unjustified arbitrariness) are dealt with by the administrative courts; breaking of law as such is dealt with by the ordinary courts.

The Truppendienstgerichte deal with something that happens to be breaking of law, but they treat it not as breaking law, but only in so far as it breaks discipline. They can issue disciplinary measures, which certainly are in a sense punishments, but the philosophical justification of them is not the right of the state to punish wrongs committed, but the right of the state to educate his soldiers. (They are often in double jeopardy therefore: once to punish the wrong committed at the Amtsgericht; once to educate at the Truppendienstgericht.) They are limited, too; for one thing they cannot imprison, other than 21 days of confinement which will not appear in the police records.

The Basic Law allows the Federady to establish a "true" military penal court (Wehrstrafgericht) for soldiers in war or deployed outside Germany. As such soldiers now exist, this is by now a real question; but anyway, such courts have never been established so far.--2.236.198.248 (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]