Talk:Fiona Marshall

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Multiple scientists with this name[edit]

At least these: https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=U2e5J_YAAAAJ&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=uhV1FSkAAAAJ&hl=en

In addition to the author described by this page: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ZpnNhdYAAAAJ&hl=en

I have no idea what the policy is in cases like this, which must be very common for pages about people, but I thought at least it was worth flagging that the described Fiona Marshall is not the only famous scientist of the same name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C1:C000:41A6:90F:8535:14EF:1F33 (talk) 05:36, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My sense is that Wikipedia pages should be created for the other scientists named Fiona Marshall, and then a disambiguation page should be created so that the reader can be directed towards the right person. I'm going to go ahead and remove the info on the main article page about the other scientists, then. Sound okay? Ninafundisha (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine to me if you are willing to create those pages. Otherwise, I encourage you to revert your deletion. The Fiona Marshall discussed in this page is not even the most prestegious Fional Marshall scientist. The CSO at Heptares has a single article with more than thalf the citations attributed to the focal Fiona's entire authored library. I'm not going to get into a remove/restore war, but I think it's tenuous to even have a wikipedia page for the current person given this site's academic notability guidelines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) or WP:GNG . The "influence on others" section in the current page only includes citation counts, which are insufficient of themselves to prove notability and don't compare favorably with the other scientists of the same name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C1:C000:41A6:F094:FDC5:A614:D736 (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the criteria for notability for academics, which you linked to, it states that "Academics/professors meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable." She meets the criteria for multiple of the listed criteria, including her endowed chair and her membership in the American Association for the Advancement of Sciences. It's true that the "influence on others" section could be expanded. I would just argue that her endowed chair and multiple academic honors demonstrate her contributions to the field, and in terms of her public profile note that multiple articles in the New York Times, for example, detail her work and quote her as an expert. How she compares to other scientists of the same name in terms of citation counts is irrelevant - if you want pages for the other scientists, then create them. Fiona Marshall the archaeologist clearly fits the criteria for notability, and so her page can stand on its own. Ninafundisha (talk) 14:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]