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ISIS no capture 15 tanks[edit]

on photos uploading by ISIS are visible only two T-62, one artillery piece, two BM-21 and a destroyed BMP-1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWh7pLxEs_w http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d31_1405886660

That's just the ISIS claim and the victory is just who finally take the position in conflict (The gas camp) the "battle" was for the control of the camp so is the Syrian army who won there --Pototo1 (talk) 02:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First, per Wikipedia's policy its not up to us to decide who wins or who doesn't win based on our personal POV what's a victory (that's called Original Research and strictly prohibited). Second, per Wikipedia's policy youtube and other video-related sites are strictly prohibited as sources. Third, the two sides had two different stated goals. The Army's stated goal was to recapture the field, the ISIS's stated goal was to damage the facility and capture the military arsenal. Both sides claimed they achieved these goals so both sides claim victory and per Wikipedia's policy on neutrality, both sides POV need to be presented. So please do not remove sourced information. Thank you! EkoGraf (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The battle was for the control of the Gas camp no for these 15 tanks who no exist. The Syrian Army win because they regain the control of that.

According with ISIS videos / Photos only were capture two tanks no 15 --Pototo1 (talk) 01:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Videos and photos can not be used as sources per Wikipedia policy Pototo1, I told you this before, so continually pointing to them won't achieve anything. And simply saying the battle was for control of the camp and not the tanks (which is contrary to the sources) and that the army won because they got control of it is Original Research on your part (some of it unsourced). I will repeat again, per the sources, both sides claim they achieved their goals, so per Wikipedia policy on neutrality and sticking to sources we need to present both sides views. Also, your comments that the only goal in war is to capture territory is incorrect. Its one of multiple goals in war. EkoGraf (talk) 09:19, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, one's own personal analysis of a video is not usable as a source for any claim. See Original Research and Synthesis policies for the specifics as to why that is. As for who "won", that too is a matter of interpretation, so is not appropriate unless the source says so (again, Synthesis). The outcome of the battle was that the Syrians re-took the field and ISIS left: battle over, so I've tweaked the infobox to say just what is specifically confirmed by the source. Electric Wombat (talk) 16:01, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Outcome" Edit War[edit]

First, please stop edit warring over this. See WP:3RR which is close to being breached here. Second, hold your discussions here, not in the Edit Summary field. You both have opinions and something to say to the other, so do that here. The article won't suffer if "the wrong outcome" is listed for a day or so while you discuss it like rational people. Thank you. Electric Wombat (talk) 18:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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